Mini 981: Descent into Chaos (Game Over)

[ReaperCharlie]

I don't tend to read flavor.

Hmmmm... you're missing out. Apparently you're some uber-hot chick. Do yourself a favor and read the flavor this time... 'tis mighty yummy.

Pitt is bugging the fuck out of me. The way he's saying things feels a lot like "LOOK AT ME I LIKE PRO TOWN THINGS HAPPENING SO I'M OBVIOUSLY NOT SCUM"

Eh, in fact, I'm willing to

Unvote, Vote: Pittbunny

over that.

But...I do that ALL the time.

It's true. Pitt is one of the most pro-townie townies ever. But then, I've never seen him as scum, so.

How appropriate that flavor me would totally slut it up. That's great.

^_^ I lol'd. Pics or gtfo

I don't really understand the sleep plan yet - I'll need to read it again...

* Step 1: No one sleeps until day 4
* Step 2: ?
* Step 3: Catch scum

I'll read again and see if I can figure this out...

HAHA that sound about right...

I agree. I've yet to be convinced that the synchronized sleepage would benefit the town, especially if there's no way other than watching slightly sleepy scum vote pseudo-randomly after 2+ nights of staying awake killing us.

Plus, VI's likely won't understand the 'proposed sleep cycle plan' and will likely sleep at the wrong times anyway.

Either way, if at any time the 'proposed sleep cycle plan' requires any player to sleep more often than is necessary to maintain a healthy level of sanity (or awakeness, or whatever), then the plan automatically becomes anti-town.

This discussion is good though, bouncing ideas for how to 'work the system' always gives me them good townie vibes from the people discussing. Watch like 2 or 3 more people jump into this discussion now just for the WIFOM of it.




...aaaand, farside22 is pinging my towndar... it's alliance time!

[ReaperCharlie]

Yeah Pitt, but you did a good job of catching latent scumminess in everyone's posts in that game, and I thought you did a relatively good job of it esp for a newbie. Fine, don't agree with me about agreeing with you

[ReaperCharlie]

I haven't bothered to read too in-depth into all the sleep strategies, but they all seem relatively futile to me.

Since days are so short, I suggest we ALL sleep whenever we feel is the best to us. If it's anti-town of me to suggest this, so be it. I think it's far more trouble than it's worth to coordinate something like this (which probably won't work anyway), and it's wasting valuable scumhunting time.

Love,
ReaperCharlie

[ReaperCharlie]

FoS: ReaperCharlie

Don't like your attitude regarding organizing sleep, and the way you are phrasing "let everyone sleep whenever they want" is basically begging for scum to take over town for half a day. Further, it also has a more subtle bent against town organization. What you are basically saying is that town organization is futile and it shouldn't be done. Which would fall into scummy in my eyes.

HOWEVER

, something just occured to me. Early on in the game, we can have more people sleep. Even if scum control the votes, they can't get away with quicklynching. I don't know how to take advantage of this fact as of yet.

Not really. I just think it's futile IN THIS CASE. And it's not anti-town to sleep whenever you want. I think town organization is good, especially in games like AiTP. But here it just seems fruitless. Nobody's come up with an even halfway viable solution that doesn't have gaping holes for scum to take advantage of. And since scum can see anything we post, they'll know exactly what to expect and exactly what to plan for.

Unless there's a 95% bulletproof sleep plan that doesn't leave any holes for scum, you can expect me not to follow it, along with half the players. I am definitely not interested in trying to come up with one, but I'd say that has less to do with my caring about the game than it does with my caring about spending my time doing some productive scumhunting. I realize Day 1 is usually a waste of space unless it stretches past the RVS, but this one went straight from RVS into (what I perceive to be) useless setup speculation that will ultimately get us nowhere and waste valuable time. And since days are less than a week long, even moreso.

[ReaperCharlie]

Maybe we should have a vote on it. While theory is good and all, I'd like to see where people stand on the proposition. If sleep organization or lack thereof favors scum, then we can use the vote to hopefully catch scum.

Way to defeat your idea before it even left the ground by letting them know your plan.

/me backhands VV

[ReaperCharlie]

Are you for real, Kenman? lol, I can't tell.

I think what I've said is pretty clear: Come up with a good sleep plan and I'll follow it. If it's not good, I won't. Simple enough, eh?

[ReaperCharlie]

The way Kenman is jumping around, I wouldn't be surprised if he's town.

I doubt he's scum just because of how weird he's acting. I don't even think newbscum would out themselves that much.

[ReaperCharlie]

I voted for RC, with the intent of accomplishing two things. One, I know we aren't that close to an actual lynch therefore, I wanted to bring out the suspicious players with the intent of changing my vote to either VV or easjo when it came down to crunch time. Two, I wanted to get a reaction from him. I voted for him in order to put pressure on him in hopes that he reveal something scummy.

Did you get the reaction you were searching for, and if so, would you care to explain what it was?

If not, why is your vote still on me?


@ UK: What is this proposed sleep plan? Anything different than what was up before?

[ReaperCharlie]

uh... LMAO @

Anti alliance

in your sig!

that's all for now. sorry for the distraction, carry on.

[ReaperCharlie]

Prodded. I've been purposefully lurking because I haven't really had much to say that I haven't already said. But apparently I have to post now, so here I am.

I still don't like the sleep plan UK is proposing. I tend to agree with easjo's opinion that nothing we can do by organizing sleep schedules according to UK's plan will guarantee us catching scum.

On the contrary, like I said earlier, anything that requires us to sleep any more than

absolutely necessary

will result in an underabundance of townie votes in comparison to scum votes, especially during later days.

If it's not clear that I hold UK's entire proposal in high disdain, I don't know how else to spell it out for you. I am under the impression that she's town, but I think she's a) barking up the wrong tree(s), and b) PMSing for no good reason.

I generally agree with most of Pitt's 243.

And let me spin my Wheel of Fortune really quick....

Vote:

...


...


...


Albert B. Rampage

lurking. Check
bad ISO. Check
luurrrking. Check

[ReaperCharlie]

Annnnd.... apparently we need a lynch today pretty badly.

Unvote; vote: easjo682

I still think ABR IS SCUM though. Which would also potentially explain UK's uneasiness expressed in 288.

Watch me die tonight, though. Haha

[ReaperCharlie]

ABR actually feels town. Then again,

I'm used to playing with him.

Sexual entendres FTW

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok, question and answer time.

1. How does sleeping more than absolutely necessary help townies? Answer: It doesn't.
2. What is to stop scum from sleeping at night when it benefits them? Answer: Nothing.
3. Do I feel like your speculation/planning is helping out scumhunting? Answer: Not especially.
4. Do I like your attitude toward anyone who disagrees with you? Answer: Absolutely not.

Love,
ReaperCharlie

[ReaperCharlie]

1. Having anyone sleep tomorrow seems like they're sleeping before they absolutely have to. Am I wrong?
2. How do you propose to catch scum who sleep at night without 'authorization' from the UK Secret Police?
3. Do you care? You should. And if easjo flips town, I'll be the one doing the laughing.
4. Once again, you should. Your attitude opens up a can of omguswifom that is better left closed.

[ReaperCharlie]

3. Do you care? You should. And if easjo flips town, I'll be the one doing the laughing.

3.1. Because you were wrong when you thought you were so right, not because I'm scum and I just made you mislynch. LOL I realized after I posted it how scummy that sounded.

[ReaperCharlie]

1. No. I'm just saying that I don't think this plan is going to work that well, mostly for the reason in 2.1.

2.1. Who decides which players aren't allowed to sleep, and are forced into sleep deprivation mode? You?
2.2. And I reiterate: What is to stop scum from sleeping at night, alternating nights, and maintaining a healthy level of sanity regardless of whether or not you 'allow' them to sleep in the daytime? You're gonna base this entirely off results that take 2 days to manifest themselves? This clearly puts your plan at a major disadvantage, which is why I disagree with it.

3. Closed.

4 (now 3): I'm talking about them omgusing you, stupid. It doesn't move discussion along, creates a diversion which allows scum to skate by without being questioned (because everyone begins to tunnel on the argument you're having), and ends up creating rotten feelings between townies that wouldn't otherwise be there, creating distrust where there was none before, and possible future mislynching as well. Surely you can understand this. You're not an idiot, are you?





With regards to your plan: As Obi-Wan Kenobi would say: "Who is more foolish, the fool, or the fool who follows him?"

[ReaperCharlie]

what PRECISELY do you propose that would be better, and actually give us ANY advantage and NOT lead to a D3 trainwreck?

I propose that since the scum can talk where we can't see, but can still see everything we say, that we mix things up a bit and sleep whenever the f*** we want. That way, scum can't plan anything with nearly as much precision or accuracy because they don't

already know

when everyone will be sleeping.

It's beyond me why you keep trying to powergame this whole sleeping situation, even to the point of pushing a solution with holes, just because you want to be right.


@ ABR: Great. Let's be friends. After this game though.

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok well... UK: Let's just agree to disagree, mmk?

Mmk.

[ReaperCharlie]

Ferdinand got brought back to life? Sweet! How'd that happen, easjo?

And I'd grab for an item, but I don't have room in my inventory. Blahhh



btw, "Vastedon the hungry purple dinosaur, I am. Consume things, I will!" <---LLLLOOOOLLLL

[ReaperCharlie]

From

Article V: Voting

4. If players are asleep during the day cycle, they will be out of the game for vote count purposes. Thus, the number of votes it takes to lynch may decrease because of this.

Sooo... ABR's vote doesn't count at all today? Or does it just not count until he wakes up?

The votes of sleeping players don't count until they wake up. After that, their votes count again for vote count/number to lynch purposes.

[ReaperCharlie]

P.S. What reason is there to NOT give the Fetish Crafting Kit to easjo? She's confirmed town now! <3

*buddies up to easjo*

[ReaperCharlie]

@Ken 344: you earned a few townpoints with that post in my book.

And since you were wondering: I basically voted ABR on gut + I didn't like his ISO.

[ReaperCharlie]

Charrrrlieeee, why are you trying to get on people's good sides?

*ignores the question in your post and looks at your avatar, drooling*

[ReaperCharlie]

with a possible RC is on my scum list.

I'm not scum. look elsewhere

[ReaperCharlie]

easjo, let's make an alliance. *wink*

Vote: ABR

[ReaperCharlie]

I don't believe its the kind of thing that you could change your mind with, I should've asked the mod, it never occurred to me though.

ohhhh so you had to specifically target UK... I see.

ABR, do you have anything to say for yourself?

[ReaperCharlie]

ABR's gone VLA in another game. ugh! lol

As a reminder, sleeping players are not allowed to post until they wake up.

[ReaperCharlie]

I too would have chosen UK, since I had a stronger town read on her and the fact that she contributed much more in all aspects of the game.

How could you have a stronger town read on her if they both already

flipped town

?

[ReaperCharlie]

easjo are we making an alliance or what.

[ReaperCharlie]

I don't get the vote counts. I'm think I'm voting for ABR, but why does it show up as Nikanor? (Unless there is some messed up vote movement thing going on here.)

It's cuz ur too tired cuz u didnt sleep last night, stoopid!

[ReaperCharlie]

@Kenman: RC and me basically had the same argument, but he and I used different words.

I did say that Not Organizing is more beneficial.
RC did say that it was not worth it, primarily because it is beneficial to scum.
In the end, we were both arguing for not organizing, which would have been the end result of the argument. I don't see how I'm likelier to be scum, and he gets a neutral read for that. Care to clarify?

Maybe it's cause I actually made sense and you were all over the place setting things on fire with a scum torch. lawls

[ReaperCharlie]

easjo are we making an alliance or what.

theres a reason anti alliance is in my signature.

Fine, that'll teach me to rez u next time!

[ReaperCharlie]

@ Pitt: Huh? at your vote.

@ easjo: why not? if I was scum, would I rez a townie? (insert wifom here)

[ReaperCharlie]

why not? if I was scum, would I rez a townie? (insert wifom here)

theres also the WIFOM of if you are the resurrector

Fine, don't believe me. I don't see anyone counter-claiming, though.

[ReaperCharlie]

Btw I'm gonna sleep tonight if nobody minds

If you mind, shut up. I'm sleeping anyway.

[ReaperCharlie]

Perfect scum wins are oh-so-sweet. I just wish you guys hadn't killed me off so fast, I'd have hunted you down and killed you.

So who slit my throat btw?

And yes, I really really really regretted rezzing easjo682 when she promptly #$%&ing disappeared. If I'd have rezzed UK instead I bet my bottom dollar we'd have won.

[ReaperCharlie]

P.S. I nominated SaintKerrigan for a Paperback Writer award in the Scummies (for best flavor).

Go 2nd, 3rd, 4th, xth it

HERE

!

[ReaperCharlie]

So yeah, definitely did a ton of writing for this game. Now if I could just dedicate all that heavy writing toward my non-mafia story ideas...

No kidding. I have been trying to write a book for years.