Mini 980 - Trader Mafia (Game Over)

[Andrius]

Hooray! I get to play with Vas again!
(And Jack too. lol)

@ Vas: Should I claim Thor now, or later? lol

[Andrius]

There is ~1 ability per person there - even if some more are going to come onto the market,

Not so. There are only the 7 powers out there. The "x2" means two-shot abilities, not two of that role- I already asked Zor.

I like how a town player can buy the Nightkill and become a Vigilante while the Mafia is NK-less. Good idea there.

You know what would be cool? If we could like, have a reverse power-buy. So I could volunteer to take the "Miller" role for like, $10 bucks, and someone else could offer to take it for $5, etc. Like, it would be cool if we could make more money by taking on "bad" traits like "Hated Townie" or "Miller" or "Treestump".

[Andrius]

SaintKerrigan's creepy avatar aside,

Why are you twisting Fish's words, Jack?
Seen in post 14 and 18.
If its for the lulz then I understand. lol

[Andrius]

@ Jack: I'm completely confused. This isn't a post restriction game. /confused

@ Fish: I can call you Fish right? Yeah, I definitely think its scummy, though he could just be screwing with us just because.

[Andrius]

I'll try not to get you lynched VV, at least not on D1.
Jack... maybe. lol

[Andrius]

Getting lynched D1 adversely affects my self-esteem.

Awwwww. Me too. /except when I'm lynched but not really lynched.

[Andrius]

Wait, guys.

Does Zor seriously mean that we can only cast one vote per DP?

I always thought "no unvoting" was that it is unnecesary to unvote.
I thought it went like this:
Vote: XXX
*no unvote*
Vote: YYY.

@ Zoraster: So, do we really only get one vote per DP?

[Andrius]

Ok. Thought so.

RVS lives!

Hmm... Nobody Special has a plain avatar, NavyCherub's is Brock (or is it?) and farside doesn't have one. Tough choice.

Vote: Nobody Special

Because your avatar is pure purple, in clear imitation of Zoraster. And since you're nobody special, no one will miss you (besides any scum buddies you may or may not have).

[Andrius]

Oh yeah. Forgot about the ##s.

##Vote: Nobody Special

[Andrius]

Re: Votecount

Is there a reason why everyone's name is listed, even if they don't have a vote on them?

Something I've always wondered.

Well, just looking at the NK, someone must have taken out a loan to get it; even the scum couldn't have bid that high solely by themselves, so any player could have taken out a loan to get it, or perhaps the scum wired each other money.

[Andrius]

@ farside: We could have the Vig be the town killer, and have the Cop investigate the Vig the first night. That would clear up his alignment. The only way he could get around that is if he had invest-immune as well. Which we could complexify by jacking the price up.

@ Anyone with Math Skills

So if we can take out loans for 300% of out cash right now, we can technically have like, $400. And the scum would then have... $500? (I'm hoping I did my math right, lol.)

First I think wiring money to someone just because of a claim would be down right stupid for the town.

Agreed, unless we can confirm them as town. (Barring investi-immunity.)

The person with the nightkill should definitely claim if they are town.

Because the scum wouldn't lie? Its a gamble to be sure.

[Andrius]

Woah, $251 on the Pickpocket? I guess its possible to get that much by yourself, but still. Wow.
I think the most interesting part is watching the bids roll in, lol.

Does it make a difference if we die indebted or die with bling in our pockets? Does dying with a debt have consequences?

Because if not, then I don't see why we all wouldn't just take out massive loans right now. Its not like we have an incentive to pay them off.

Oh wait, the NK got sold? Shoot, deadlines are coming in.

How do we know if a deadline is in the PM or the AM?

Re: The Uber Plan

It would be a waste of a Cop investigation, and a Doctor protection, if we clear that townie and then have the scum send him over $999.
Given that the scum can have over $400 right now, (with a massive loan), two scum could easily send one player over the $1000 limit.

[Andrius]

4. If you cannot pay your debt off after the third day, you will enter bankruptcy until your debt is fully paid off.

This too. I'm going to consider paying off some of my debt now. lol


Ok, it looks as though all the powers have been sold. (Why Zor had them all set for EST when he lives is CA is beyond me.)

@ SK (Saint Kerrigan, not Serial Killer ): I'm glad you're paying attention to the doublevoter. I wouldn't have seen it otherwise. ^^;

[Andrius]

I didn't want to bid on Doublevoter because I've never played with it and didn't know how it worked.

I've only seen it like
Vote: XXX
Vote: XXX

Which would completely give it away.
And here its still semi-revealled, so.

[Andrius]

Self voting should be discouraged. I don't see how it can actually help the town, or the player at all.
I self-voted my first game and was lynched. I don't self-vote anymore.

I can't tell if flashstorm's big attempt at breaking the game is scum trying to look town or town trying to be all cool. :/

I'm waiting on farside to see what she wanted to say after bidding was done.

[Andrius]

Oh. That sucks. Computer issues suck.
I think its safe to assume that, unless they simply haven't been online yet. :/
Can we say that a scum has Cop too?
Unless scum have the Doctor.
Gah. This is a bit more complicated than I thought. lol

[Andrius]

The concept that roles can go both ways.
I was clearly not looking at this with enough depth. The scum could very well have Doc, Vig, Cop, which would throw a big wrench into the town, especially if we just assume that we have one of those powers, etc.

And claiming doesn't do much good anymore. If scummy_player claims Doc, we lynch him and someone else gets the Doc power. We never really lose PRs, so that's something else to mull over, especially when we're approaching a lynch.

[Andrius]

/ninja'd by farside

@ farside: Outing a Doc is bad strategy, regardless of the game.

[Andrius]

Really, Jack? I'd have to look at the votecounts.

[Andrius]

Jack ( 5 ) VasudeVa, Jack, SaintKerrigan, Fishythefish,

Zang can't be Doublevoter. He's not voting for you.

[Andrius]

Nope, I wanted to see what you'd do after I dismissed Zang as x2 Voter.

I think I know who it is though. Just look at the votecounts.

[Andrius]

Because I don't know if the Doublevoter is asking to be outed, so.

I don't really want to out him, but its not that hard to see, so.

[Andrius]

Jack, I'm not scum.

I can prove who the Doublevoter is, but I don't really want to out the PR.
Or I can just tell you to go look at the votecounts and find better deductive skills.

[Andrius]

I think everyone but Kerrigan's had the chance to claim NK. So if he/she doesn't have it then I think its safe to say its in the hands of a scum faction.

Should we start claiming at L-2, to prevent a quick hammer by Jack?

Definitely. We can't just ignore the mechanics at play in this game. Come D2, if not sooner, we're going to have some new stuff on the market, so that'll need a look over and we'll have to see how it plays in with the current powers.

@ Jack: Why the games earlier, when you were trying to convince me the doublevoter was Zang? Do you have something to hide?

[Andrius]

FoS: VV

I've only playing in one other game with him, so I'd have to meta him to see if he's like this when he's scum.

Actively lurking is a big flag I'm not letting go of.

THIS. Can you like, go post this in every game I'm in? lol

[Andrius]

@Andrius: Well, I know how you act when you're scum .

In my defense, I played relatively horribly (until I was confirmed scum). I was more concerned with not being on your lynch D1 that I placed myself on the lynch with all my scumbuddies. /not a smart move

Andrius ( 3 ) Jack, Fishythefish,

Ummm, neither of them were voting me at the time. I think you're confusing me with VV. lol

SPS: Aaaand there's no reason behind the hop? Maybe? Please share Mr-Classical-Painting-as-my-avatar.

[Andrius]

Andrius, you'll find everything you seek implied in my last post.

I doubt I'll find me a girlfriend there, but I'll go look again. *sigh*

Not answering my questions.

I'd call this justified, unless there's a big Jack/Zang feud I don't know about.

[Andrius]

For some reason, I am almost always the top choice for D1 wagons >.>.

Apparently. It must be your avatar.

You think scum would buy the DV and then vote themselves?

Given this reaction, it would be an unexpected move on the scum's part. Like a scum claiming Miller D1.

Ok, I'm not going to go too far into the money issue, but with each town player able to take out a $300 loan, on top of D1 starting money they'd have $400. Scum would have $500, if they started with $125. So it is possible for any player to have scrounged up all that money to get a power.

I bought it because I like to gut vote and a double gut vote actually does something.

It's like a free persuaded person.

I like the latter part. Makes somewhat sense. But then again it a deterrant to making a really good case, because you

don't

have to convince that other person.

Oh man, I'm at L-1 at D1 again?

Claim Thor.

I think Pickpocket is pretty much a third-party role because the person who has it is probably trying to get a money win.

I signed up for this game with the intent of trying to win via the money-win. But now that there's the $1000 criteria

AND

the 50% of all total $$ criteria, I see that as unlikely to happen. :/

I don't think people would risk taking out loans so big that they would be guaranteed to enter bankruptcy in 3 days.

Yeah, but since there's no real incentive to paying it off, why not?

I'm starting to get an uneasy feeling about Andrius' posts.

Uneasy like how I feel when I stare at your avatar, or uneasy like you're going to puke your guts out after your first college party?
Because feeling "uneasy" makes me want to facepalm.

[Andrius]

I'm not getting sucked into this ESL debate, since we had enough of that in the other game.

Irrelevant discussion, since I posted above VV:
Not in this game. lol
Nothing's wrong. IRL you? YOU EXIST IRL? We're all actual people? /sarcasm I was wondering what

he

you were holding. I thought it was a cookie. /hungry I like your hair, BTW. The only pic of me that I have on my comp is me in a tux.

[Andrius]

So what is it exactly that you're trying to say with this?

At first I was like 'oh, that's one less person I'd have to convince when I present a case on someone'. But then I rethought it. 'That one less person also enables lynches to go faster, with less people.' So it has the potential for quicker lynches, and heavily distorts lylo.
After seeing the DV here, I don't think I'd ever want to have that power in a game.

Uneasy like your posts have a scummy feel to them. Plus internal thinking about certain things you've said and how it applies to game mechanics. Considering I'm voting you, though, shouldn't you have been able to figure out somewhat what I meant by "uneasy"?

Well yeah. But people have voted for each other for worse reasons than 'feeling uneasy', so.

[Andrius]

I'm back from my self-imposed exile.

My vote is on Andrius because his posts

feel

scummy to me,

Oh really? Like slimey or just dark and ominous?
Sorry, I think we've been over this before. /fail

It appears the Mafia B have a name. Did no one else notice this? It seems obviously relevant.

What does it mean, anyway? Anarcho-Syndicalist? Some type of political party?

Meaning: if I get asked this question again I am going to bust some skulls.

SK is threatening us. Be wary of NKs from her.

This, btw, should be why I'm obv town right about now. I've been at L-1 for a while you know.

Are you sure you're not a bomb in this game? Where's ooba when we need him?

OK WOW GUYS. We're arguing over a GRAMMER ERROR? Sheesh. I am not getting involved with an ESL discussion.

In other news: I'd think there are 2-3 scum in {Jack, Fishythefish, Steam-Powered Shovel, Zajnet, farside22}.

I'm surprised SK isn't in this list. You don't find SK scummy?

Ok wow. The farside wagon jumped up out of nowhere. I agree with it to an extent. I just hope these wagons don't push us to what happened in a current game, where the town (before I replaced in) decided to wagon 3 people to L-1 and force claims. /bad idea

Ok wow. That farside22 wagon dispelled really fast. I'm willing to bet game money that there was a scum on that wagon (even if farside was scum herself. Nothing like bussing.)

I have no clue who is even in the world cup. I fail.

I have no idea what sport this world cup is for.
...
it is a sport, right?

Hi Almaster! Me an' Jack an' VV an' Alm. 4/12 isn't bad.

Oh great. A Banker. Because we're not

un

motivated enough to pay off our loans, someone can raise the interet amount? Just great.

God that mugger ability is so hot

WIFOM. Will she really bid on it? Does she even like it? Is this sarcasm? /20 Questions

[Andrius]

ITT means what?

And yes, I loved Monty Python and the Holy Grail. I'm not a huge fan though, so. :/ Did I miss something important?

[Andrius]

Why on earth would you be worried about that? You can't possibly be. No one has been asked to claim, and a claim can't clear anyone because scum can buy the abilities just like town can.

I'm not worried about it. You said so yourself. Moving along.

1. Asking an already OMGUSy player to become more OMGUSy.
2. On the farside wagon. Some fence sitting - the bad kind where you aren't undecided, just have no intention of doing anything until other people do.
3. A prediction that there is scum on the dispelled farside wagon. He doesn't give a reason for this (why is being on a fast dispelling wagon a scumtell?).
I dislike the comment on grammar - while it seems a silly thing to be arguing over, I think it's quite obvious here that the grammar of that sentence is hugely relevant to whether someone dropped an enormous scumtell. To dismiss that as irrelevant just because it's talking about grammar is both easy and wrong.

1) I asked someone to become more OMGUSy? Show me where.
2) Yeah, I'll just go ahead and follow Jack/VV/SK's lead and wagon whoever they vote because that's the right thing to do. /sarcasm Seriously. What do you expect, sheeple?
3) I was somehow convinced that SPS was on the farside wagon too. Ugh. IDK how that happened. I think it happened spontaneously, with SK and VV just jumping on the wagon with no good reason mentioned.
As for the grammar issue, its just a thing of mine. I don't care too overly much to look into how someone words their scentences unless there's something blatantly obvious with it like a breadcrumb. I don't care to get into debates over gerundial phrases in a mafiascum game. Sorry to burst your bubble.
I take that back. I'm not sorry to burst your bubble.

I am so sad that we are lynching Andrius today. . I wanted to see him do that thing he did in Greek Mythology(ie. Prance around the thread being confirmed scum. Also call out to your scumbuddies.).

Still, this feels staggeringly similar to his earlier D1 play at Greek Mythology(when I was still alive). (btw, Do other Greek Mythology alumni agree?)

##Vote: Andrius

Ok wow. I have 3 votes on me and you're already proclaiming me lynched? Jumping the gun a bit there, eh Vas?

If you're looking to see me prance around as confirmed scum swing by (censored for ongoing game) where I'm doing it right now, until I'm lynched. I won't do it here because I'm not scum.

"Staggeringly similar?" Personally, I feel that your vote on me was weak. You're basing my entire playstyle over your one experience with me where I was, yes, scumboss. Perhaps you should read into my town games as well, and see if I match. Odd. Since we're dwelling on Greek Mythology, you asked for like, half of the player's meta's in D1 of that game. Strange you're not doing it here.

##Vote: VasudeVa

And now you're willing to lynch anyone but yourself, to save your own hide. Be like Ooba in Greek Mythos D1, where he was willing to die to kill scum. You seem overly concerned with saving your own butt than hunting scum. You're hunting for a good lynch candidate that isn't you. Play pro-town or be lynched, Vas.

@ Andrius: We're lynching VV today (barring other epic claims of scumtastity), but don't worry, we'll come 'round for you tomorrow...

Thanks for the heads-up. I'll start paying off my debt now. lol Anyone want leftover dinner? I'll sell my dinner for cheap.

@Andrius: Watch it again.

What part are you talking about?!? I still don't get what you're trying to say.
And I take it you're just going to get away with voting me without reason? Why did you ask for a votecount before voting? Wanted to make sure you could fit on the wagon? Wanting to make sure your scumbuddy wasn't on it? Your vote is throwing yellow flags all over the place.

FoS: NobodySpecial

And yes, I figured out that the World Cup is for Soccer.

@ zor: Happy Scumday!

VV is getting on any wagon that isn't his, I don't like Jack's playstyle
...
The only person I don't mind is SK, but he seems to just be doing whatever Jack tells him.

Re-quoted for emphasis. VV's clearly out to survive D1 doing whatever it takes to do so. Jack's playstyle is odd indeed, especially the ignoring Zang earlier. And SK is following Jack alot lately.

Here SK votes farside after Jack does:

Vote: Farside22

I'll dig this for now.

SK adds the ##'s immediately after.
Here SK votes me after "convinced" by Jack:

Right. I guess VV can wait until tomorrow (as much as I'd still like to lynch him today).

##Unvote: VasudeVa
##Vote: Andrius

FoS: SaintKerrigan

Why do you think Andrius is scummier than VV?

This.

I'm also wondering what lurker_SPS and lurker_NC are up to.
I admit to using my crappy post for finding scum. So sue me.

[Andrius]

So. What do you think of the farside wagon? You agree with it to an extent. Which is pretty much totally meaningless. What good points have been made against farside? We don't know. How likely is farside to be scum? We don't know. Are you likely to vote farside over other players? We don't know. This reads very much like scum who wants to be able to make their mind up when it becomes clearer whether this wagon is leading to a lynch.

I think it was a clever idea done by Jack; whether motivated as scum or town remains to be seen. He knew that VV would hop, because VV supports every lynch other than his own, ATM. SaintKerrigan's vote was highly scummy because he followed Jack saying "I'll dig this for now". He also followed Jack onto my lynch.
I was also convinced (idk how) that SPS was on the farside wagon as well. This is not the case, but I found SPS fairly scummy as well.

So in conclusion, I saw the farside wagon as scummy because of SK, and VV's willingness to lynch anyone but himself. (Since SPS did not vote farside after all.)

I'm not in favor of a farside lynch. Sometimes I say stupid things to see what people will do afterwards/ see how they will react. I said I agreed with the wagon so I could see if the people

who were already voting farside

would jump onto me. (Which they did.) What did I learn? This wagon-hopping only solidified VV's status as 'I'll Lynch Anyone But Me' and SK's status as #1 follower of Jack.

I think you're very wrong about the grammar thing. If I say a sentence meaning "I'm scum", but I claim it has some other harmless interpretation, it's clearly important to work out whether that harmless interpretation is likely. Sounds like something you believe though.

Well, most people would tend to avoid saying scentences meaning "I'm scum".
Wait, what's something I believe?

I'm mostly trying to make the most of my vote here, do you prefer that I withhold my vote and not give you any information?

You aren't technically allowed to withhold your vote, as it must always be on someone. You can however, vote SK and appease me for a brownie point. (Not redeemable for townie points. Reedemable for brownies.)

and is not the kamikazee bomb of protown play I once knew him to be!

I still think that was a genious move.

I don't get it. How did making a crappy post help you find scum, specifically?

It allows to me to watch suspicious players like VV, Jack, SK and see what they do. Naturally, VV votes me. Jack votes me. SK follows Jack. Why? We will find out.

Oh Joy, I'm at L-1 again.

Claim Thor. For old times' sake.

Andrius on VV at the time when VV was acting his scummiest. Ever do that meta read Andrius? Also can you explain the comment in that first quote? (the "I'd have to meta him to see if he's like this when he's scum" comment).

Yeah I did. I read him in Newbie 902, when he played as scum. He replaced in on D2 though, so its not a complete meta. And I haven't read his latest semi-win as scum in Percy's Rainbow Mafia.
Explaining comment: I've only ever played with him when he was town. (Greek Mythos.) He was only around for D1. So, I didn't want to base his playing habits off one game in one game-day. So I decided that I'd meta him if the time ever came. I'll look into the Rainbow Mafia a bit. Though I should probably read him playing as town in another game as well.

[Andrius]

@ Vas: Your case on Fishy being:

*Ahem*
Why Fish is Scum: A Qualitative Analysis of a Fishy Scumbag's Posts

ISO 31:
"I agree that the fact that what you said is pretty obviously a silly thing to say makes it more likely it was a genuine mistake. "

ISO 37:
"No, I don't think you made a mistake"

Saying that "I agree that the fact that what you said is pretty obviously a silly thing to say makes it more likely it was a genuine mistake. "
does not go with the sentiment
"I don't think you made a mistake"

Why say the first sentence at all when, in your mind, you are already thinking the second sentence.

There you have it, ladies and gentle men. Also, I would like to point out: ISO 37 is a classic example of cognitive dissonance.

##Vote: Fishy

Let me get this straight, because I'm not sure I follow your train of thought yet.
You're saying that in ISO 31 Fishy says your "silly mistake" was a "genuine mistake" and in ISO 37 he says he doesn't think it was a mistake.
So you're voting him because of his contradiction?
And I'm not a scientist, so having looked at your link to Cognitive Dissonance I have to ask, how does C.D. apply here? I'm still a tad confused.

Also, regarding asking for metas: Back then, I thought they worked. But now I don't. Anything wrong with that?

Nothing wrong with it, I just noticed that you weren't running around asking for everyone's metas.

In an unrelated note:

I won Greek Mythos. I believe in Epic.

Man, you're funny. XD.

C'mon man. There was a good amount of epic in that game. You can't deny that.

AKA "Zomg SK didn't provide a 'good' reason for his vote, he must be scummiez." I do believe I explained later that the vote was to try and get information.

And how praytell, do you defend your vote on me? Because there's a clear distinction between voting someone because you think they are scum and getting an "uneasy feeling" about someone's posts.

Conveniently leaving out the part where you were already a high suspect on my list and I was in fact voting you in lieu of VV earlier. Personally, I think both of you need to find a noose, and it doesn't really matter which of you two finds it first.

Again, there's a clear distinction between getting an "uneasy feeling" about my posts and bumping me up to "high suspect" on your scumladder.

And you expected people to not vote you for this? Say something stupid was "intentional" doesn't make it any less stupid, or less vote-worthy. Put another way: you're reaping what you've sown.

I expect people to vote me. That's not the deal.
Don't we all reap what we've sown, though? I fail to see how that makes more sense here than it does anywhere else.

You can however, vote SK and appease me for a brownie point. (Not redeemable for townie points. Reedemable for brownies.)

And yet you don't extend me the same offer. Favoritism for a scumbuddy, eh?

You want to vote yourself in exchange for a brownie point? Odd.
More like favoritism for a Greek Mythos player. It has been my favorite, most enjoyable game thus far.
But yes, SK. If you want to vote yourself- or even VV- go right ahead.

I'm sorry, did you say you learned something from that?

Yes, I did say that.

Is every wagon led by you?

Him or VV- pretty much.

With these roles somebody could achieve the money win.

I doubt it.

VV, vote andrius please.

Am I your #1 target ATM?

[Andrius]

Andrius, claim any and all abilities you possess. Now.

Because any smart player would do that when they get one vote put on them.
(that was sarcasm, BTW)

FoS: SaintKerrigan

This carries over from D1.

Oh, I have more than one reason.

@ Anyone with Math Skills
So if we can take out loans for 300% of out cash right now, we can technically have like, $400. And the scum would then have... $500? (I'm hoping I did my math right, lol.)

Pretending to be less than top of the class.....

Ok, I'm not going to go too far into the money issue, but with each town player able to take out a $300 loan, on top of D1 starting money they'd have $400. Scum would have $500, if they started with $125. So it is possible for any player to have scrounged up all that money to get a power.

.....and now, he's a math professor.

1) I wasn't pretending to be. I don't have a high self-esteem, and I was unsure if I did the math wrong. There's always the possibility for an error. (Namely in the $125 x4 = what?) I have my stupid moments.
2) This math didn't involve the 125x4, so it was easier.

1) Can we say that a scum has Cop too?
2) Unless scum have the Doctor.
Gah. This is a bit more complicated than I thought. lol

Rolefishing is scummy.

*numbers added by me
1) Rhetorical Q. I wasn't expecting an answer.
2) Me thinking out loud. I do this often in strategy games.

Jack, I'm not scum.

I can prove who the Doublevoter is, but I don't really want to out the PR.
Or I can just tell you to go look at the votecounts and find better deductive skills.

Keeping info from town is also scummy.

I was choosing to not to out a PR. That's the opposite of forcibly outing a PR, which is scummy.

[Andrius]

@ Andrius: I know you have one of the other roles from yesterday. At the very least I'd like you to confirm that. If you tell me which role you have it may help to determine whether you're innocent or not.

Addendum: why FoS me instead of vote me?

1) You're asking me to claim? Now? I'm not even near L-1.
2) I want some time to think over the other players, like Zang, Zajnet, and SPS, who haven't posted as much as we have.

@ Fishy: Scum totally have a motive to scumhunt; there are two mafia families.

Hey Zoraster, does Jack's estate not go to the market? I noticed VV's is but not Jack's. :/

[Andrius]

Last chance to claim you have a role pricier than $100, Andrius. Otherwise I'll tell the town why I'm positive you have one and how your unwillingness to admit that makes you more suspicious.

I'm sure its not a problem to prove I have one; I've been hinting at having a loan for awhile now.
But yeah. I have a role.

EBWOP: Also, you can easily vote me and still ponder your other suspects. It's not that hard, Andrius. I did it today. You can, too.

Duly noted. However, I'll do as I please with my vote.

[Andrius]

Perserverance, Almaster, perserverance. You'll get that vote down soon enough.

But yeah. I'm not sure why we went through all that, just to confirm that I was a PR. Perhaps SK was trying to make the point that the scum wouldn't have outed themselves as PRs?

[Andrius]

...
Also, you are not getting it. 40% scum is

only

taking role stuff into account, and nothing else. There is

definitely

a 33% chance of Andrius being scum no matter what because he has a role. Other evidence against him is additive to the percentage of likelihood. (It's not mathematics. It's not gut. It's gutematics. Get used to it.)
...

33%? If there are 2 scum on each of the scumteams, then there's 4 scum in 10 players.
So everyone has 10%. Why am I 33% likely?

[Andrius]

##vote: SK

You wanted Andrius to claim his abilities, without anything that said he was scum. There are scum motives for that, and no town motives that I can see. The mention of possible future plans is not enough for me.

+

*claps gleefully and grabs more popcorn*

=

I don't understand why Kerrigan's gleeful.

[Andrius]

Its too quiet in here.
We need some people.

[Andrius]

...
Also, you are not getting it. 40% scum is

only

taking role stuff into account, and nothing else. There is

definitely

a 33% chance of Andrius being scum no matter what because he has a role. Other evidence against him is additive to the percentage of likelihood. (It's not mathematics. It's not gut. It's gutematics. Get used to it.)
...

33%? If there are 2 scum on each of the scumteams, then there's 4 scum in 10 players.
So everyone has 10%. Why am I 33% likely?

My god the math is all screwed up by everyone except maybe Fishy. Everyone has 40% chance of being scum because of the 4 in 10 thing. Not 10%. Not 33%.

I fail so hard there.

[Andrius]

SpyreX... dun dun dun DUN.

1 Arsonist - You have a whole bunch of highly flamable liquid, but only one match. Every night, you may douse one person in kerosene. Once during the day, you may PM the mod with the word ignight.

You spelled "ignite" wrong. lol

Are you sure? Ignore that little edited by thing. It means nothing

So, how many replacements are we looking at?

I think potentially two more, but I'm hopeful at least one of those guys will return before I need to pull the trigger

[Andrius]

You're right ohh god because seriously now.

This SK wagon? Laaame
The VV wagon? Seriously. Seriously. The other one was Jack? Seriously.

Here's a super hi-c tip. In this group there is 2, if not three scum:

Nobody Special, Zang, Steam-Powered Shovel.

Now I'm banking hard on SPS and NS not being scum together. The downside is chances are high these aren't the scum with the fat abilities.

The winner in the "doing nothing" race by a tiny margin is NS. Zang is actively not paying attention and that bothers me but, of the three, he's my iffy one.

##Vote: Nobody Special

That said, this needs to happen NOW:

Whomever bought cop needs to claim it. Claim their result. Then sell it. Like, right damn now. We need to utilize the fact there is still only one killing action and two scumteams to start putting some pressure on.

This was 20 pages of mechanics and slapfighting and, frankly, a C- effort overall. That's gotta go.

Good, some fresh action in the game. Glad to have you SpyreX.
I support a Cop claim. We need all the help we can get.
But don't sell the Cop ability. The Doctor can and should protect you no matter what, if you claim. It seems that the Firefighter is the counter for the Arsonist, so the Doctor is becoming somewhat useless.

##

VOTE: NobodySpecial Let's see where this wagon takes us.

Somewhere over the rainbow~

[Andrius]

@ zoraster: Nice try. I saw the edit.
And Zajnet came back, so that's one less replacement needed.
And I personally like mods who write stuff in player's posts, so long as its comical.

[Andrius]

**waiting for Cop to claim**

[Andrius]

I take it we're not getting a Cop claim.
Unless its easjo, who's being replaced.

[Andrius]

I'm willing to hammer Nobody Special.

[Andrius]

Gut-check?

[Andrius]

What did he do?
I noticed he didn't defend himself though. :/

[Andrius]

Ah.
Here's to hoping he's scum.

[Andrius]

This is a public service announcement:

If you haven't already and you want to, make sure you sign up in the /in-vitational here. You certainly don't have to sign up for the game I've offered to run (Murder in the Dark), but there are a lot of good players and mods that you should take a look at.

But Zor, I thought we couldn't /in for a specific game.
I personally love your idea, but I read the rules and I don't think we can /in for a specific game. :/

Mod here: don't want to derail the game, but you can't decide what game. But you do get to list which mods and players you'd like to play with (as well as any mods/players you don't want to play with).

[Andrius]

Damn broken tags.

[Andrius]

NS was already hammered though.
Why try to undo what cannot be undone?

[Andrius]

OH WOW NICE MOVE SK!

I totally didn't see that. You would've had me fooled.

[Andrius]

:'( I'm not stupid, I just have my stupid moments.
Stupid moments, because I'm not blonde.

[Andrius]

Deadline is tomorrow at 11pm Eastern/ 8pm Pacific.

*points to Andrius' avatar*

But I'm not blonde. Bastian is. I'm not.

[Andrius]

@Mod: Why does Andrius have 2 votes but nobody listed as voting him?

They're back from the dead!

So I may or may not be on tonight. We're picking up some family at the airport, so it could be a long drive with Friday traffic, etc.

[Andrius]

Hi nopointinactingup! Its been awhile since 930.

##Vote: SaintKerrigan

I did have the Doctor ability, up until I was mugged. I did not submit a N1 action because I had no idea who the scum would target. And with two shots I didn't want to waste either of them, thinking- of course- that another NightKill ability would hit the market D3. I did actually submit a N2 protection, but it either arrived after deadline or zoraster missed it, sadly.

I did not have the Investigation Immunity, or else I would have claimed it. SK is obviously trying to pin it on me, with an obvious excuse under seemingly-true pretenses. Yes, I was mugged. This is the perfect opportunity for the scum_mugger to lead the town into another mislynch. Either SK has the Investigation Immunity or his partner does. I did not have that role at all. SK pinned this on me in the hopes that he'd be able to lead you all in yet another mislynch.
Don't let this scum lead you in another mislynch. SK's play is no shining light; and this scum gambit only makes it more apparent: that SK is scum.

I will reread and post a more thorough case against SaintKerrigan later this weekend. At the moment I am very tired and emotionally drained.

[Andrius]

I got quicklynched?!?

BAH. Well, it was nice playing with you all.

GO MAFIA A!

[Andrius]

Nopointinacting, a member of Mafia Group A, has been lynched on Day 6.
Zajnet the Townie dies of a heart attack on Day 6
Zang the Townie dies of a heart attack on Day 6.
AlmasterGM the Townie dies of a heart attack on Day 6.
SaintKerrigan, the Death Note Owner, survives and wins the game.

OH GOD YES. SK YOU ARE AMAZING NOW. 8D /Death Note fan 8DDD

But yes. I thoroughly enjoyed the game, zor, and would like to play (or help, if you need it) with the next one- if you carry on.
@ zor: Yeah, I think I was too overly preoccupied with the debt portion of the game to care about the market. I was too busy trying to find out how to pay off my debt that I couldn't use the market.

I think my biggest mistake was not putting Investigation Immunity on the market D2.
I think my biggest hindrance was not having a scumbuddy D2. Me an' easjo had a plan for me to sell I.I., he to buy it, and therein he would be Godfather, and I'd be debt-free and Doctor.

@ NPIAU: I was screaming in the dead people QT for you to go down swinging. I respect your choice, but still. Gah. I would've killed them.

<3 for Vas, Jack, and Almaster. And my Death Note buddy Kerrigan.

[Andrius]

Ok yeah. I definitely agree that debt needs to be redone.
Perhaps you could take out loans as well?

If everyone starts with say, $500, then that could last them for a few days, and have a payday at say, Day 5.
That way people like me (lynchbait) can use their money early on, and other people can save it for powers later in the game.
(B/c I really love Masonizers/Neighborizers)

[Andrius]

@ Andrius: Yeah, Death Note ftw!

And yeah, you really should've gotten rid of II. Although as long as it's in scum hands if it gets discovered it's kaput for the guy who has it. Also, get your protects in on time.

Yeah. I was hoping I'd get a replacement scumbuddy before I sold it.
Bah. Mafia Doc FTW.

Oh, and does anyone want the Mafia A QT?

[Andrius]

That was me. ^^