Mighty Orbots wrote:I expect SaintKerrigan to find this post suspicious just because I'm the one making it and it's how he reacts to me.
Har har. Actually, I don't see your hydra as scummy at the moment. Must be because of Papa Zito.
Mighty Orbots wrote:Fate's initial play is probably too ballsy for scum though I don't know his play well.
Fate can actually get really ballsy as scum, so it's not out of the question. (Ongoing game, so can't directly reference it.)
Fate wrote:To answer SK: I never said I knew there to be win cons related to worships, that was just speculation on my part and their possible existence is one reason to have worships out in the open.
I see. But wouldn't telegraphing our every worship vote make it easier for people with worship wincons to try and sway worship votes in favor of their wincon?
DTMaster wrote:How? Unless scum is one of said factions, or they know who's on each faction. V.V. If anything, People who have specific worships want to coordinate the worship votes for a certain factions.
We don't know if that faction is town-aligned/scum-aligned. We don't know if a faction gains the majority they grant us massive powerups.
Heck the whole worship thing reads as multiple factions, but not necessarily multiple scum factions.
If scum belong to one of the god factions, they get benefits from being part of the majority-worshiped god factions. They may be able to influence where worship votes go, whether through persuasion, role-related ability, or otherwise. The point is, we have no idea yet how scum can influence worship votes, and making it easier for them to know where worship votes are going just sounds like a recipe for disaster.
DTMaster wrote:Do you hate the gods you mother fucker? You seem to like ABR's plan that hint heavily about the worships, but you don't like the gods in general.
Who said I didn't like gods in general?
rajrhcpfreak wrote:OMGUS or not his reasoning is fallible. lets go slowly for you to understand..
1. he first blames it on random vote. i do detest random votes but thats a losing battle.
2. what better way to random vote than to place a vote and it magicly moves it to another player.
3. apparently the random random vote isnt good enough for SK so he unvotes and rerandom votes.
1. Random votes are random votes. Seriously.
2. And I was aware of this how, exactly?
3. Because I like being technically correct. I random-voted you, but it went on someone else, so I fixed my random vote so it appeared on the correct person. Some people are like that.
rajrhcpfreak wrote:now lets make some conclusions:
1. since his vote really isnt random then there is somthing behind his votes.
i can only conclude that he has some reason to vote for me, or he has a reason not to vote for Iecerint. i wont go into the the many WIFOM options that we can go from that, but in the end he is lying about his random vote.
This is either excessive OMGUS paranoia, or you're scum trying to drum up an early case.
rajrhcpfreak wrote:is this OMGUS? well is it ok to attack a person that you know is innocent for intentially voting for them but hiding it as a random vote? yes as long as its not yourself aparently. is he scum? possibly. enough for me to call him out on it and give him a vote. its not like any of his votes have been pro town anyways.
i really hate that we get to a place in the game where we cant confront attackers without it being called OMGUS.
Your argument is OMGUS. You're taking something insignificant and blowing it way out of proportion. Portraying your case as the victim of "unfair" OMGUS accusations doesn't suddenly improve it in any way.
rajrhcpfreak wrote:On worship, i dont care how we do it. i can vote any way, how ever the town requests, or make all my vote completely transparent.
This is scummy. This is grovelling at its finest.
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Fate forgetting the vote quirks on PAGE 8 is major /facepalm territory.
Percy wrote:In theory, we could tabulate who falls under the "benefits if X is worshipped", and select the group that has the most townie-looking people in it to worship. Otherwise, we either (1) Ignore the worship mechanic (bad idea), (2) Worship at random / in secret (also bad idea) or (3) Worship a group of gods to give a specific player the worship benefit, risking a boost to scum as well.
Locking scum into claims now is also a good idea wrt the worship mechanic.
Ok, now this is actually decent reasoning. I'm still concerned with possible ways scum could influence our worship votes, however.
Also, locking scum into worship vote claims is irrelevant since they'll probably not tell the truth anyway. Unless ABR's player map specifically tells him which players voted for what gods, we won't know the difference.
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Chrono's vote for MO is ??? territory.
Have addressed the concerns raised by J-scope in answers to other players.
DTM seems gung-ho on nailing MO for not voting for me despite being "suspicious." Yet when MO requests clarification, DTM seems to forget the matter entirely. What's up with that, DTM?
@ Raj: I don't have a problem with voting Icerint. I do have a problem when my votes don't end up where I thought they'd be, even if they're random votes. Again, why're you freaking out over a random vote?
Not sure yet about the Mina mini-wagon. The way Mina explains things looks valid, and some interesting points get raised (like Ort and DTM's answer to his question). I'm not sold on Mina-scum. Nik, however, gets negative town points for the pseudo-vote and the weak hopping on the Mina mini-wagon.
Mina wrote:@SaintKerrigan and Elscouta: when you get back, I'd like to hear some suspects from you both. Most of your posts have been about the set-up. It's giving me trouble reading you.
Don't worry, suspects and stuffs are coming.
@ Ooba: Why am I scum?
@ DT: WTF is with this vote thief stuff? I see nothing wrong with the vote count (beyond the usual shenanigans).
OK, supects inbound! Scummiest at the top:
Nikanor
Raj
DTM
Fate
Unvote: Beholder.
Vote: Nikanor.
