Pledge of Allegiance (Game Over! Page 76)

[DrippingGoofball]

I need to check something very important with the mod.
No lynching before I get a reply plz.

Hurry up that hammer is starting to feel heavy.

[Ellibereth]

Need to wait for zoraster...
I'd much rather have Troll aim at suspected point peoples than confirmed.

[UncertainKitten]

@DGB: I hope you are prepared to back up that promise.

Fishy is part of a branch of gubmint. In fact, I assume all the point grabbers are gubmint (Legislative, Executive, Judiciary)

[UncertainKitten]

@Elli: I'd rather resolve the Fishy thing first to at least half "prove" Zorb. And then point him at suspected gubmints.

[Zorblag]

@DrippingGoofball, I'm perfectly happy to answer questions but I think I'd like to have you answer mine first.

@DrippingGoofball, do you think that Nicodemus is town at this point? His wagon is largely based on pressure that was coming from others before he largely disappeared. Apparently you're going with role-fishing as a neutral tell here (have you said that elsewhere as well? I don't recall seeing it from you previously) but what about the rest of his play?

It would have been better to have you answer that before we got to this position but you were more interested in mindlessly pursuing my lynch.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Ellibereth]

@Elli: I'd rather resolve the Fishy thing first to at least half "prove" Zorb. And then point him at suspected gubmints.

I'm confirmed him right now.

[UncertainKitten]

Ok. That's nice. But we can't exactly trust you either, can we?

At least with a fishy death and a new kill method, odds are high that Troll is at least telling part of the truth.

[StrangerCoug]

##Unvote: Zorblag

[DrippingGoofball]

Need to wait for zoraster...
I'd much rather have Troll aim at suspected point peoples than confirmed.

The fewer around, the better; they are sabotaging out righteous lynches.

[DrippingGoofball]

@DrippingGoofball, I'm perfectly happy to answer questions but I think I'd like to have you answer mine first.

@DrippingGoofball, do you think that Nicodemus is town at this point? His wagon is largely based on pressure that was coming from others before he largely disappeared. Apparently you're going with role-fishing as a neutral tell here (have you said that elsewhere as well? I don't recall seeing it from you previously) but what about the rest of his play?

It would have been better to have you answer that before we got to this position but you were more interested in mindlessly pursuing my lynch.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

Mindlessly? Mindlessly??? No no no no no no. I guessed right, twice; I guessed right that you picked "other" and I guessed right that you had a killing role. So I was not "mindlessly" pursuing your lynch, I read you, and I read your mood, with laser accuracy.

To answer your question, rolefishing is not a tell. I cannot see the case against Nicodemus. It looks like a snowball of sheep to me. But. Sometimes I'm wrong.

[DrippingGoofball]

Speaking of snowballs of sheep, my sudden urge to hammer a player I barely suspect is a stellar example.

[UncertainKitten]

You know you want to DGB. The hammer is attractive. The hammer is pretty. The hammer owns your SOUL.

[Zorblag]

@DrippingGoofball, no, there's certainly mindlessness there. You guessed that I picked other. That's surprising. Then you assumed that I must be a serial killer. Not just a killing role. You took your meta based on just having seen me play vanilla townie and mafia goon in the past and turned that into a certainty that I must be a serial killer and proceeded to spend most of the game trying to sell that. In addition you're doing this while convinced that I'm not mafia.

A town DrippingGoofball would examine my actions looking for both reasons to believe to confirm or dispute her claim. A town DrippingGoofball would look at the state of the game to determine if there was reason to think she had it right. A town DrippingGoofball would be at least as interested in lynching scum today as a serial killer. And most importantly a town DrippingGoofball lets her attention range over the vast multitude of players in a game and picks out things that make people scummy for a mix of good and bad reasons. You're not doing those things here. You were simply looking for reasons to add to the "case" you were making against me. That's mindlessly pushing my lynch.

If you don't think that Nicodemus is scum then why not try to push a lynch on someone else who you do think is scum now. We've still got time. Why so eager to hammer? You shouldn't want

As for Debonair Danny DiPietro, I picked him because he's almost impossible for me to persuade if I need to. He plays a rigid game which is fine as he's right enough to pull it off but he was someone who I would be better off having dead than suspicious of me down the line. Day one I was unlikely to have a good idea who to pick so I figured he'd make as good an early target as any.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Zorblag]

EBWOP: I forgot to end that second to last paragraph.

You shouldn't want a mislynch here if you're town.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Fishythefish]

Here is why I seriously doubt Zorb's claim:

May 11, 3:35am - start of day 2. xvart has flipped government, non-town.
May 11, 3:53am - Chrono claims "non-town" result on me.
May 11, 8:21am - I claim "non-town"
May 11, 5:45pm - Zorblag posts for the first time on day 2.

So. I don't think that after someone claims a non-town result, you fire off a day vig you know is aiming for non-town before the matter is resolved. I certainly don't think you do so after I claim not to be town.

[DrippingGoofball]

@DrippingGoofball, no, there's certainly mindlessness there. You guessed that I picked other. That's surprising. Then you assumed that I must be a serial killer. Not just a killing role. You took your meta based on just having seen me play vanilla townie and mafia goon in the past and turned that into a certainty that I must be a serial killer and proceeded to spend most of the game trying to sell that. In addition you're doing this while convinced that I'm not mafia.

That's right. You would not pick mafia. So yes, I was convinced, and rightly so, that you weren't mafia. I could sense that you were especially happy, though, hence the conclusion that you were a lone killer. The game I play is one of psychology. I suck at everything else. I did spend a lot of the game trying to sell that. I WAS CORRECT.

Your reasoning about DDDD seems right.

[LlamaFluff]

thats why he is day vigging you tomorrow under penalty of death for non compliance

[DrippingGoofball]

Here is why I seriously doubt Zorb's claim:

May 11, 3:35am - start of day 2. xvart has flipped government, non-town.
May 11, 3:53am - Chrono claims "non-town" result on me.
May 11, 8:21am - I claim "non-town"
May 11, 5:45pm - Zorblag posts for the first time on day 2.

So. I don't think that after someone claims a non-town result, you fire off a day vig you know is aiming for non-town before the matter is resolved. I certainly don't think you do so after I claim not to be town.

I don't understand that at all. And it's not because you're using big words...

[Fishythefish]

Well. If I'm dead in the morning, and he misses government with his supposed shot, be sure to lynch him.

[Fishythefish]

@DGB: Zorblag should have shot me. Zorblag didn't shoot me. He didn't post in the only possible time he could have shot pops. It's likely that he didn't shoot anyone at all.

[StrangerCoug]

Fishy, what time zone are you using in #1289?

[Fishythefish]

GMT. The point is about the intervals, so it doesn't really matter.

[Zorblag]

@DrippingGoofball, I said near the start of the game that you're useful to town is that you're a catalyst. When you're town I can count on you to be all over the place pushing buttons but you just haven't been doing that this game. If anything, since people were following your serial killer theory you got to sit back and just take a shot or two at me as we went. For you you've been positively behind the scenes this game. The DrippingGoofball that I know wouldn't do that as town. I could easily see you spending a fair amount of energy trying to sell a given result but you'd be pursuing other things as well (people can take a look at any of your town games to see that sort of behavior.)

@Fishythefish, I submitted the order for the snipe attempt today well before I posted in the thread. It was before you'd said anything that day, I was (and remain) fairly sure that popsofctown wasn't town and you were developing a fine wagon and looked likely to be a potential lynch (whereas people seemed to buy the popsofctown vanilla townie claim for whatever reason.)

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[DrippingGoofball]

@DGB: Zorblag should have shot me. Zorblag didn't shoot me. He didn't post in the only possible time he could have shot pops. It's likely that he didn't shoot anyone at all.

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Fishythefish]

@Zorblag: 18 minutes into day 2, Chrono declared a "non-town" result on me. At that stage, you knew your targets were non-hostile other (at least some of them, anyway). Are you really saying it didn't occur to you to wait until I claimed to see if it was a good idea to shoot me? FYPOV, there was a significant chance that you wanted me dead, but the town didn't.