Straight from the horse's mouth, foilist admits to being scum.
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Wait, so foilist, you're saying nhammen's accusations against you are completely valid?
unvote, vote: foilist13
Straight from the horse's mouth, foilist admits to being scum.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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By the way, logic: If foilist agrees with nhammen's points against him, then they are in fact valid and my case against nhammen is invalid because foilist himself has said nhammen's words are true.
So foilist says that the main reason nhammen is calling him scum is indeed the truth. Basically, admitting to being scum. Good job mate.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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The 'mason could be a cop', was x-game confusion. In another game (Ongoing - started about the same time), The anti-scum roles were distributed between the town, and the opposing scum faction, randomly, after the basics (i.e mason) were already assigned, therefore, in that game, a mason can be a cop.
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I shouldn't have to do this but you guys will probably need it.
^this is admission of guilt^foilist13 wrote:2)Clearly I was trying to get him to explain his role. I don't really understand how you didn't see that, but I appreciate you giving me the benefit of the doubt. Nhammen was wrong in thinking that what I was doing was inherently scummy. I do not however need to defend my vezo case here.
Nhammen: foilist is rolefishing
Parama: Nuh-uh!
foilist: yes I'm rolefishing
Again. :s
Missing the bigger issue. You and Chrono were accused of the same thing, yet nhammen votes you and doesn't even put Chrono on his scumlist.foilist13 wrote:3) FoS is the logical thing to do if you're already voting someone else. This is not scummy.
So you're saying he was wrong, yet you agree that he was right? Contradiction much?foilist13 wrote:nhammen was voting on the basis that asking for a role claim this early in the game was a scum move. If you take that as a given, his case was legitimate. It was pointed out to him that he was wrong, and he dropped the case. Scum move? I think not.
You have done nothing to disprove my case - all you've done is incriminate yourself in defense of nhammen. Hell, you might be buddies and nhammen was just getting an early bus in. I don't see why you're going to such great lengths to defend someone who was called out after a vote on you.foilist13 wrote:Your initial case is therefore illegitimate and can therefore be discounted.
^more admission of guilt^foilist13 wrote:My questions were my major points. How could he possibly defend himself from them without claiming? Those were not rhetorical at all.
The two crimes are weighted equally since they same offense is being committed. Yet you defend nhammen's vote on you.foilist13 wrote:As I said before, Chrono's role searching was far more conservative than mine. I wanted to know his role. nhammen thought that was scummy. The fact that he thought Chronopie's posts were more legitimate is not at all implausible.
Wrong, you were the one hidden rolefishing, and Chrono's was blatant.foilist13 wrote:1) This was a ridiculous comment. However, this post by nhammen is the first one to lend some credibility to your case through no fault of your own. He does say that hidden rolefishing is scummier than blatant rolefishing. I was blatant rolefishing, Chronopie was hidden scumfishing (presumably).
Oh, haha, you're going off the basis that nhammen finds Chrono scummier than you, aren't you. Haha. That's hilarious.
I think this is completely irrelevant to my point.foilist13 wrote:2) His defenition of towniness was refering to the scum hunter, not the one being hunted. One has nothing to hide as in "if you want to rolefish, do it openly."
^admission of guilt^foilist13 wrote:1) This was not asked in frustration. I legitimately wanted the answer.
^admission of guilt^foilist13 wrote:2) This is relevant to his role, and claiming would be the only real way of defending himself from it.
Wow, you're really trying to turn something that isn't rolefishing at all into rolefishing just so nhammen's case looks more valid? Why in hell's name would a townie do that?foilist13 wrote:3) This clearly is relevant to his being a mason, which is role information.
facepalm.jpgfoilist13 wrote:Clearly you didn't have any main points, so what did you expect him to defend against exactly?
If he's not even going to bother defending himself then I have every right to call him out for it, don't I?foilist13 wrote:1) No it is not a defense, it is a statement. A legitimate one incidentally.
^total BS^foilist13 wrote:1) You haven't made any valid points.
??? what is this in reference to?foilist13 wrote:2) His argument hasn't changed, he's just taken a crack at finding scum.
??? was there a point to this paragraph? I can't see one.foilist13 wrote:3) Yes it would lead to a scum lynch. That means that we can assume there will be scum on EVERY wagon until the end. One scum team will always be able to lynch someone who is not their own. This is a helpful legitimate point, not a weaksauce defense.
For starters, I didn't add pointless filler to my posts just to make them longer.foilist13 wrote:Whatdidyou do?
Maybe "epic scumslip" was an exaggeration. How about "large ping on a scumdar that isn't quite as big as nhammen's".foilist13 wrote:...what? An epic scumslip would far outweigh everything you've brought up about nhammen even if it was legitimate.
I've BEEN tunneling. Yup. It didn't START at one pointfoilist13 wrote:Now you're just tunneling.
What's the point of defending a case that's valid? What's the point of defending a case at all? A case is meant to attack.foilist13 wrote:You're lack of meaningful defense for your crap-case is noted.
I'm not defending anything. So yes, nice observation, sherlock.foilist13 wrote:To quote you: ^This is not a defense^
Lol. Wow. You're ignorant.foilist13 wrote:So this scum slip was enough to deter you from your nhammen case, but the epic one earlier was not? Interesting.
I can call something a scumslip but it wouldn't look that way in everyone's eyes. What would you say if I said nhammen had scumslipped 3 times?foilist13 wrote:...so now nhammen's alleged degeneration of play is enough to outweigh Chronopie's scumslip? Even though you don't like Chronopie's defense?
I didn't wagon hop if I ended up right back where I started in short period of time.foilist13 wrote:Now you're somehow managing to tunnel nhammen AND wagon hop at the same time. This is impressive.
No, I can't.foilist13 wrote:
Yes you can.Parama wrote:Nhammen, I can't be a VI if I'm right.
Then at least 12 others in this game are even worse VIs. Are you willing to stand by your standards if your standards are wrong?foilist13 wrote:You didn't make a good case, and you're a VI by mine.
Giving yourself a reason to vote later in case a wagon on me forms, eh? If you want to vote me, DO IT NOW SCUM.foilist13 wrote:This concludes your posts. Based on what you've presented I see no reason whatsoever to vote nhammen. I actually see a lot more reason to vote you. However I'm going to reserve my vote for now until I've had a chance to analyze some of the other players.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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This lights up as scummy to me. If we know vezo is town, why would anyone have to ``deal with him''? And why specifically the mafia?foilist13, 597 wrote:Jesus, I'm gone one day and I get to read 5+ pages to catch up. Ok, 1st,unvote. If vezo is town the the mafia have to deal with him, and he's no longer our problem. That unfortunately does not negate the fact that he is completely useless.-
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This lights up as scummy to me. If we know vezo is town, why would anyone have to ``deal with him''? I see the third sentence as a werewolf slip.foilist13, 597 wrote:Jesus, I'm gone one day and I get to read 5+ pages to catch up. Ok, 1st,unvote. If vezo is town the the mafia have to deal with him, and he's no longer our problem. That unfortunately does not negate the fact that he is completely useless.-
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Tenth vote count of day 1:
askbob (0):
Chronopie (5):Unsight, Leafsnail, Timeater, The Goat, Dry-fit
daniel94581 (1):Dr. Robotnik
Dr. Robotnik (1):Super Smash Bros. Fan
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foilist13 (1):Parama
Leafsnail (1):Vi
Lowell (0):
LynchMePls (0):
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nhammen (8):SerialClergyman, Chronopie, Seraphim, pman5595, Lowell, vezopiraka, LynchMePls, daniel94581
Parama (1):Midnight's Sorrow
pman5595 (2):nhammen, askbob
Pomegranate (0):
Seraphim (0):
SerialClergyman (0):
Sevis (0):
SGRaaize (0):
Super Smash Bros. Fan (0):
The Goat (0):
Timeater (0):
Unsight (0):
vezopiraka (0):
Vi (0):
Not Voting (4):Pomegranate, SGRaaize, Sevis, foilist13
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My explanation of why lowell is scum.
The mod didn't want to start the game early because lowell hasn't confirmed via PM. He then says that after lowell confirmed wants to give more time to the people with night talk abilities. He is not a mason or a monk therefore he must be scum.
Unvote nhammen
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This is false meta-ing. I doubt every word of this used against anyone.vezopiraka wrote:My explanation of why lowell is scum.
The mod didn't want to start the game early because lowell hasn't confirmed via PM. He then says that after lowell confirmed wants to give more time to the people with night talk abilities. He is not a mason or a monk therefore he must be scum.
Unvote nhammen
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It's slow (by efficiency, not number of posts), but it's not easy.Midnight's Sorrow 611 wrote:
Slow and easy wins the race sir. Slow. And. Easy.~SerialClergyman wrote:If we have 30 days of this I'll /wrists.
Both of the attacks on foilist seem way out in left field. Oh look, one of them is from Sevis.
I'll grant that vezo's Lowell attack seems logical, and I was confused about the scum daytalk rule (which is not documented anywhere in the rules) as well. With that said one of the major reasons I joined this game had to do with confidence that MSableheart is a competent moderator, and I don't think going along with claims of mod-favoritism is going to be a good idea ITG.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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Actually even if ModSableheart wanted to favor scum by giving them three days to scumtalk - and even if it was because he saw in the QuickTopics that the scum weren't talking to each other, either because they were busy or just not chatty - I don't think that in itself would force Lowell in particular to be scum. It would suggest that many but not necessarily all of the scum are relatively low contributors, though. (surprise)
You could ask Lowell why he didn't confirm via PM immediately though.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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Indeed, it's a lot easier to respond to a post made specifically against you than everything that's happened on the thread.Vi wrote:"Gathering your thoughts" only involves responding when your name is called?
If I'm honest... looking back, I'm having trouble seeing any serious points against nhammen.Vi wrote:I've already mentioned how bad it looks that after missing the nhammen wagon time-wise, you generically tut-tutted it while moving onto the obvious following wagon. You've said (since it became cool to dislike the hamwagon) that you had a newbTown read on nhammen. You don't bother mentioning why you think that or why the arguments are weak, just that the wagon is dumb.
Almost all of the points against him stem from Parama's case, which is entirely based on a chronopie/ nhammen scumteam, and considering how quick chronopie was on the wagon, I just don't see it. It's also odd how many of the people don't seem to have even bothered looking at the original Parama case (ie not looking at the one accused of being a scumpartner Chronopie).
I don't think you're scum for voting nhammen - he's acting stupid. It's more the way you've repeatedly changed between distancing yourself from the wagon and pushing it. I mean... you first go on to nhammen for fluff posting, then you jump to sevis for jumping onto the nhammen wagon in a bad way (as if he were to only one), then go back to nhammen for voting someone who isn't likely to have a wagon formed against them (given your previous vote, this actually looks quite funny), then you go BACK to sevis because apparently you've got "cold feet"... in addition to claiming chronopie town for NO reason and saying you'll attack anyone who voted chronopie.Vi wrote:Now really. On one side we have a number of fairly decent arguments for him being scum, and on the other side... your self-righteous word. Which one do you think I'm more likely to consider accurate?
I don't have a problem with votehopping in general, but doing it again and again and again with little to no reason isn't acceptable.
Hence "switching back and forth between an easy newb lynch and your backup vote". It's the fact that you join AND LEAVE the wagon for no reason.Vi wrote:Never mind that I've left the wagon before and after that discussion because I got an honest-Town read from his posts.
It's a lot easier to respond to a single post than it is to respond to other things going on inthread. My initial complaint was that people were bandwagonning for no reason, but you randomly leaving the wagon, randomly calling chronopie town AND randomly saying you'll attack anyone who votes chronopie is a whole lot worse.Vi wrote:Which nicely leads to the other point in this most recent post of yours. I call you out for posting elsewhere onsite - and you have been posting elsewhere, in multiple places over the course of the last several hours - and you tell me that you're gathering thoughts. But apparently your thoughts only seem to include attacking the person bringing to light that you've been hanging around the site all night. I don't think this is an honest attack at all, especially since your mention of me going back and forth between nhammen and Sevis has already been laid out plainly inthread whereas your initial complaint about the wagon was concerned with people who joined the wagon for no reason at all. Those thoughts you were preparing were not only narrow, they were shallow as well.
All in all... it feels far more like you're lining up mislynches than trying to find scum. You're calling a lot of people probably scum, and then leaving them alone, without any real pressure, as if to return to them later so you can strike them down more easily.
Heh, another noncommital reason to unvote, another noncommital vote. In spite of all the "probscum" and "obvscum" you've mentioned throught the thread, you vote someone you're not sure of. Brilliant.Vi wrote:Since Sevis-scum doesn't seem very popular today I'll go ahead and give you what you asked for.
'Not sure if you as scum would go out of your way to stir up trouble like this, but Ididsay earlier that you were on the hatelist, so~
(L-12)Unvote: Sevis
Vote: Leafsnail
That said, I'm not sure if it's worth lynching you... the enemy scumgroup will probably take you out fairly quickly.
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Is Chronopie attempting to pretend to look town yet? No? In which case, he still needs to die. The only content he's posted recently seems to be "LYNCH ALL ROLEBLOCKERS"... applied to a wagon started on the premise that he was scumbuddies with nhammen.
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Parama's case on foilist is solid. Foilist actualy says "I was blatant rolefishing" so... yeah. As far as I can tell, Foilist was trying so hard to paint parama scum that he actually began attacking himself. It's reaching to the point of hilarity. Also, he seems confused as to whether he's trying to call nhammen scum or town.-
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Wow that's stupid.vezopiraka wrote:My explanation of why lowell is scum.
The mod didn't want to start the game early because lowell hasn't confirmed via PM. He then says that after lowell confirmed wants to give more time to the people with night talk abilities. He is not a mason or a monk therefore he must be scum.
Unvote nhammen
Vote Lowell
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SSBF, I already explained why I initially didn't answer your question, it was because I hadn't read the whole thread yet. Stop going back to something that I already explained.
As for lurking, I've only been able to get on the computer once a day. I have explained about my reasoning for the masons, and about my distrust of the nhammen bandwagon and the speed of which it has been formed.
You say pman was even more suspicious then me, yet it looks like your trying to form a second bandwagon on me. Explain yourself.snoPING AS usual I see-
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SSBF, I already explained why I initially didn't answer your question, it was because I hadn't read the whole thread yet. Stop going back to something that I already explained.
As for lurking, I've only been able to get on the computer once a day. I have explained about my reasoning for the masons, and about my distrust of the nhammen bandwagon and the speed of which it has been formed.
You say pman was even more suspicious then me, yet it looks like your trying to form a second bandwagon on me. Explain yourself.snoPING AS usual I see-
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Ok. Enough with my random mod gaming. Although I don't like how lowell responded to the case. You say I jumped when the wagon got to close to a lynch. In fact I jumped when the wagon on nhammen lost some supporters. Now you made me sure your scum lowell.Windows hasn't detected any keyboard.
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I've only lightly skimmed everything Parama has said since he started tunneling on SSBF. I've been reading SerialClergyman's posts.Leafsnail 614 wrote:
If I'm honest... looking back, I'm having trouble seeing any serious points against nhammen.Vi wrote:I've already mentioned how bad it looks that after missing the nhammen wagon time-wise, you generically tut-tutted it while moving onto the obvious following wagon. You've said (since it became cool to dislike the hamwagon) that you had a newbTown read on nhammen. You don't bother mentioning why you think that or why the arguments are weak, just that the wagon is dumb.
Almost all of the points against him stem from Parama's case, which is entirely based on a chronopie/ nhammen scumteam, and considering how quick chronopie was on the wagon, I just don't see it. It's also odd how many of the people don't seem to have even bothered looking at the original Parama case (ie not looking at the one accused of being a scumpartner Chronopie).
*posts Cobalt's avatar here*Leafsnail 614 wrote:
I don't think you're scum for voting nhammen - he's acting stupid. It's more the way you've repeatedly changed between distancing yourself from the wagon and pushing it. I mean... you first go on to nhammen for fluff posting, then you jump to sevis for jumping onto the nhammen wagon in a bad wayVi wrote:Now really. On one side we have a number of fairly decent arguments for him being scum, and on the other side... your self-righteous word. Which one do you think I'm more likely to consider accurate?(as if he were to only one), then go back to nhammenfor voting someone who isn't likely to have a wagon formed against them(given your previous vote, this actually looks quite funny), then you go BACK to sevisbecause apparently you've got "cold feet"...in addition to claiming chronopie town for NO reason and saying you'll attack anyone who voted chronopie.
I don't have a problem with votehopping in general, but doing it again and again and again with little to no reason isn't acceptable.
First bolded: I have but one vote.
Second bolded: Kind of a flimsy caricature of my reason but it's not like you're reading.
Third bolded: I concede I didn't say why at the time. I did more recently; I impulsively decided the n00bTown read I'm (still) getting from his posts overrides what SerialClergyman was saying.
Fourth bolded: Intuition is a reason, albeit not a convincing one for others. I DO know that I said I was using Chronopie's wagon as a catch-all basin for the people I found scummy because they all happened to be there, rather than because they were on Chronopie.
"No reason" is stretching the truth a bit, as mentioned before.Leafsnail 614 wrote:
Hence "switching back and forth between an easy newb lynch and your backup vote". It's the fact that you join AND LEAVE the wagon for no reason.Vi wrote:Never mind that I've left the wagon before and after that discussion because I got an honest-Town read from his posts.
Well, consider.Leafsnail 614 wrote:All in all... it feels far more like you're lining up mislynches than trying to find scum. You're calling a lot of people probably scum, and then leaving them alone, without any real pressure, as if to return to them later so you can strike them down more easily.
*I only have one vote. It's hard to put "real pressure" on five people simultaneously. However, Ihavemade attacks on the suspicious players' posts as they've made them, so there's no ambiguity.
*It's Day 1 in a 24-player game; 13 people have to agree to lynch (more specifically, 12 people have to agree with me).
*Not everyone agrees with me, and given the scumhunting techniques going on ITT not everyone is GOING to agree with me. Given that it IS Day 1 and not everyone I believe is scum will turn out to be scum, this is not necessarily a bad thing. (see: Mafia Dodgeball)
*History shows that more often than not a VI (of any alignment) gets lynched D1 in Large Games because it's the kind of player people can agree to lynch. (see: New Age Mafia, Mafia 87, Caught in the Crossfire) And that's fine; it's D1. However, I can press on the wagons that I believe are more likely to hit scum.
*All of the people I think are scum have zero votes on them, so any one of them I pick is the largest bandwagon to push. Similarly, I don't agree with the foilist accusations and I'm presently in wait-and-see mode for Chronopie, so I'm not on those wagons.
Does everything make sense here?
You DID ask.~ And I'm being quite transparent about how I feel about your motives.Leafsnail 614 wrote:
Heh, another noncommital reason to unvote, another noncommital vote. In spite of all the "probscum" and "obvscum" you've mentioned throught the thread, you vote someone you're not sure of. Brilliant.Vi wrote:Since Sevis-scum doesn't seem very popular today I'll go ahead and give you what you asked for.
'Not sure if you as scum would go out of your way to stir up trouble like this, but Ididsay earlier that you were on the hatelist, so~
(L-12)Unvote: Sevis
Vote: Leafsnail
That said, I'm not sure if it's worth lynching you... the enemy scumgroup will probably take you out fairly quickly.
Meanwhile, is this a noncommittal nonvote from your direction?
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I really don't see that as a good excuse. I looked at your profile and you've been able to post 1.33 per day. So surely you have enough time to post at least once a day here and contribute to something.Dr. Robotnik wrote:As for lurking, I've only been able to get on the computer once a day. I have explained about my reasoning for the masons, and about my distrust of the nhammen bandwagon and the speed of which it has been formed.
Pman5595 hasn't posted much substance and has been less active then you, but your activity level has also been terrible and you haven't really posted much substance either. Plus, you've parroted a bit, which made you more suspicious in my eyes then pman5595.Dr. Robotnik wrote:You say pman was even more suspicious then me, yet it looks like your trying to form a second bandwagon on me. Explain yourself.
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@Parama: try to read.
1) I said earlier in the thread that I wanted vezo to claim.
2) I explained why that was a pro-town stance.
3) Based on my explanation, nhammen stopped voting me.
4) Other players supported my argument before and after my defense.
So how is me referencing my attack on vezo a scum tell in any way?
nhammen misinterpreted what I was doing and found it scummy. He saw Chronopie doing something similar.
Like I said in my wall post, if you take nhammen's MISINTERPRETATION as a given (this is logic, so I hope you can keep up) then I appear far more scummy and am the logical vote. Since it was a MISINTERPRETATION as I have already shown, then I do not come up scum at all, and certainly did not incriminate myself."If you are going to tell people the truth, you had better make them laugh. Otherwise they'll kill you."-
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