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Post Post #950 (ISO) » Tue May 18, 2010 5:23 pm

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12. DTMaster
DragonsofSummer
killa seven


.....................

I think I will modkill that slot. Counting DoomCow, that's been 4 different players. I'll come to a decision by Thursday. A modkill will not end the day, BTW.





Vote Count:

Antifinity: 1
(JPSalazar)

Not Voting:

AdumbroDeus
Antifinity
bill1148
Chronopie (Voteless)
Devotress
dramonic
DTMaster
Glork
KDub
MehPlusRawr
PranaDevil
thatguy00
wolframnhart

Lynch:

7 votes.

Deadline:

June 1st - 3:00 PM EST
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Post Post #951 (ISO) » Tue May 18, 2010 7:07 pm

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Meh:
I asked you for your own reasons
why
you find your suspects scummy. Saying that Anti is scummy for calling JP scum and defending Prana doesn't get to the heart of why those actions are suspicions. Citing Glork's reasons for suspecting me are not your own reasons. Finding Prana scummy since yesterday is a statement, not a reason. Try again.

wolf, who do you suspect other than JP? You've been a bit quiet today.
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Post Post #952 (ISO) » Tue May 18, 2010 7:25 pm

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KDub: Name four people who you think have contributed least in this game. (For players who have been replaced, consider the entire player history for that slot.)
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Post Post #953 (ISO) » Wed May 19, 2010 12:37 am

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@Kdub

I still suspect thatguy00, and his predecessors. I was hoping that would change if he started posting more, but he really hasn't (yea I'm not one to talk) and that makes me want to keep focusing on him. To be honest I really have no idea if Prana or Anti are scum, I have no good read on either.
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Post Post #954 (ISO) » Wed May 19, 2010 5:39 am

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Glork:
I would say DTMaster, thatguy00, MehPlusRawr, and wolf.
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Post Post #955 (ISO) » Wed May 19, 2010 12:45 pm

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DTMaster: Is KDub protown?

thatguy00: Same question.




KDub: Which of those four do you think is LEAST likely to be scum, and why?
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Post Post #956 (ISO) » Wed May 19, 2010 5:56 pm

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From the looks of his iso, I'd have to say I believe K-Dub to be town, I don't see anything that would make me think otherwise. What is the big deal about him?
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Post Post #957 (ISO) » Thu May 20, 2010 4:19 am

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Kise wrote:12. DTMaster
DragonsofSummer
killa seven


.....................

I think I will modkill that slot. Counting DoomCow, that's been 4 different players. I'll come to a decision by Thursday. A modkill will not end the day, BTW.





Vote Count:

Antifinity: 1
(JPSalazar)

Not Voting:

AdumbroDeus
Antifinity
bill1148
Chronopie (Voteless)
Devotress
dramonic
DTMaster
Glork
KDub
MehPlusRawr
PranaDevil
thatguy00
wolframnhart

Lynch:

7 votes.

Deadline:

June 1st - 3:00 PM EST

FoS/HoS (consider that mine, cause I got two fingers out for pressure) counts are more useful atm cause nobody wants to vote with the doom counter in play.




This game is going so slow, it's frustrating, out of all the people I called out, one response.
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Post Post #958 (ISO) » Thu May 20, 2010 4:48 am

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Still waiting for Anti to respond to 942.

Glork:
I would say DTMaster, his player slot feels more like a regular inactive lurker more than anything else, while the others seem like they are posting just barely enough to not try to draw attention.
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Post Post #959 (ISO) » Thu May 20, 2010 6:26 am

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Sorry, been busy.

@Kise
Don't bloody mod kill this slot or I will attack you with 8 foot long pixel swords. This role is too awesome for that.
Rawr.

Secondly:

For those you want activity checks, use this. http://www.msutils.net/search.php

You can check people where they've been active. Etc etc. Finally, Can someone point me to the page where this doom counter is? If FoS works like voting then I don't see why anyone is not using their vote unless it's sticks.

Now I'm going to do a quick VC analysis with these many confirmed people, that's the best course of action for me.

Now for some recent questions: (If I miss any, please repeat them since I'm heading off to work in a couple of hours so I can't do a substantial reread)

@Glork
I cannot comment based on a complete picture, but Kdub's 958 is weak sauce. However this question
Glork wrote:KDub: Name four people who you think have contributed least in this game. (For players who have been replaced, consider the entire player history for that slot.)
Is obscenely scummy of you Glork. This is a smoke screen question. It thinly veils an intent of attacking the weakest players. It doesn't
contribute to attacking the scummiest players
.

You shouldn't be focused entirely on people who's been contributing the least, you should be focused on people who's been scummy and/or demonstrate links to the confirmed scum flips.

The fact that you didn't state (at least on page 39) that this = scummy reads as a push towards trying to get the inactives lynched.

@Kdub
You do realize that you aren't making an active lurking claim, which says I'm scummy. You also do realize that if someone is inactive, that means nothing in terms of alignment? You are stating the facts without saying your views on them.

Have some balls and state: Since DTM has been inactive it reads as scummy for XYZ reasons.

Your lack luster push is less then flattering to me and reads as scum pushing at a weak angle.

@Thatguy
Explain how Kdub is town? Or Point to me where you said that because your statement = nothing to me right now.

@Wolf
You have no idea if Pran or Ani is scum, but you have suspicion on them? Your 953 makes no sense on these two players considering this was a response to Kdubs:

Do you have suspicion else where? Question.

It's wishy washy on those two players. Obviously something tipped you off to single out the two players when answering Kdub's question. So Why did you single these two out?
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Post Post #960 (ISO) » Thu May 20, 2010 6:55 am

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VC Analysis DTM Style.

Notes: I skipped the first 5 pages to let the RVS set in, and let the real bandwagons start. Green is town. Red is scum.
VC Page 6 wrote: Vote Count:
Iecerint:
5 (KDub, Glork, MehPlusRawr, PranaDevil, dramonic, Chronopie)
PranaDevil: 4
(inHimshallibe,
Iecerint,
bill1148,
DarkLightA)

dramonic: 2
(bv310,
FC Groningen)
Zodiark13:
1 (Devotress)
Glork: 2 (Zodiark13)
bv310:
1 (wolframnhart)
wolframnhart: 1 (Nautilus)
Chronopie: 1 (WorseExcuse)

Not Voting:
Antifinity
JPSalazar
killa seven

Lynch:
11 votes.

Deadline:
May 2nd - 5:40 PM EST
Self Note: Darklight is Starbuck

Also in this vote, considering Ice voted Prana, Prana is very likely town. I also believe due to the wagon size,
we have at least one scum voting Ice for the busing maneuvaur. Since Bv, Ice's votes are seperate that means most of the
scum is most likely independantly working on their own things during the day.

If this is a 4 scum team game (likely due to the size) Bill needs to be re-analyzed. This logic also assumes Dram is town.

Tl:Dr Prana and Dram are likely town. Bill is likely scum. The remaining scum is somewhere in the Ice wagon.
VC Page 8 wrote:ge 6 so this is skipped,
VC Page 8 wrote: Vote Count:
PranaDevil: 5
(inHimshallibe,
Iecerint,
bill1148,
DarkLightA, Nautilus)

Iecerint:
4 (KDub, Glork, MehPlusRawr, PranaDevil, dramonic)
Glork: 2
(Zodiark13)

dramonic: 1 (bv310)
Zodiark13: 1 (Devotress)
bv310: 1
(wolframnhart)
Chronopie: 1 (WorseExcuse)

Not Voting:
Antifinity
Chronopie
FC Groningen
JPSalazar
killa seven

Lynch:
11 votes.

Deadline:
May 2nd - 5:40 PM EST
Note to seld FC is Adurmo

Oh yeah, Prana is very very very likely town. Bill needs to die now.
BILL NEEDS TO BE REREAD OR DEAD


Pages 9-11 is uneventful and shows the buildup of the Zo lynch.
VC Page 12 wrote:Vote Count:
Iecerint: 5
(KDub, Glork, MehPlusRawr, dramonic, Chronopie, JPSalazar)
PranaDevil: 5
(inHimshallibe,
Iecerint,
Starbuck, Nautilus,
Antifinity)
Zodiark13: 3
(Devotress, FC Groningen, PranaDevil)
Chronopie: 2 (WorseExcuse, bill1148)
Glork: 1
bv310: 1
(wolframnhart)
Antifinity: 1
(bv310)


Not Voting:
killa seven
Zodiark13


Lynch:
11 votes.

Deadline:
May 2nd - 5:40 PM EST
Interesting. Bill is off Prana's wagon but Anti jumped on. What's odd is the whole Anti-BV-Prana dynamic. I would reread to see if there is a link
VC Page 13 wrote:ote Count:
Zodiark13:
9 (Devotress, FC Groningen, PranaDevil, KDub, Chronopie,
Iecerint, bv310,
Antifinity, wolframnhart)
Iecerint:
3 (Glork, MehPlusRawr, dramonic, JPSalazar)
PranaDevil: 3
(inHimshallibe, Starbuck, Nautilus)

Chronopie: 2 (WorseExcuse, bill1148)
Glork: 1

Not Voting:
killa seven
Zodiark13

Lynch:
11 votes.

Deadline:
May 2nd - 5:40 PM EST
Ok seriously? Scum jumpped all over this. Prana looks horrible right now. So does ANti. Also Glork has an invisable vote against him.

I read over Page 12:
Prana wrote:I dunno, the fact he brought up the Jester thing is somewhat suspect to me "Don't vote Iec, he could be another role that means he wins the game" Entirely possible it's an attempt to cover for a scum buddy.

I still feel a Zodiark lynch would be good for town.
Reads as Chainsaw bussing! Wooooooo! I change my mind, Prana needs to die.

Break time
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Post Post #961 (ISO) » Thu May 20, 2010 7:03 am

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Wow, DTM. There are so many things wrong with your catchup.

1) Way to not FoS. Have you paid ANY attention to the Doom Counter stuff we've been discussing for the last several pages?

2) There was a very specific reason for the questiono I asked KDub.

3) DTM, I asked KDub which lurker is
LEAST
likely to be scum, and he said you. Seriously, pay more attention.

4) Can you please explain how you go from "Prana is very, very, very likely town" to "OMG CHAINSAW BUSING! VOTE!!"? Also, please explain what "Chainsaw Busing" is. I don't think I've ever heard that term before.

5) Can you please explain your "likely a 4 scum team" comment? There have been at least two kills per night, including N1 which occured BEFORE D1. So there are very likely two scumgroups. How do you get "a 4-scum team" out of two scumgroups?
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Post Post #962 (ISO) » Thu May 20, 2010 7:04 am

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EBWOP:

6) Why do you think that Iece is scum, and not a Death Miller, like he claimed?
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Post Post #963 (ISO) » Thu May 20, 2010 7:08 am

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@Glork
1. If I knew about the Doom counter I wouldn't ask about it. Hence I asked about it. I just know FoSes count as votes. I don't know if it stuck. So I voted.

2.At the start of the Day. I saw that the majority of the people on Prana's case was town and Ice was on the wagon. Hence from pages 1 - 10 Prana appeared very town from the vote count. However, the build up of Zork's wagon was sudden and shifted the weight onto him.

Zork is confirmed townie. Scum would jump at the chance for the easy wagon. This changed my read of:

Prana town; Ice scum -> Ice bussing scum. The quick build up and lynch over 4 pages suggest this. Also I was reading around pages 12-13 and Starbuck's arguments on Prana make sense since it reads as dancing around the issue.

3. The fact that they flipped just mafia, and not Mafia A and Mafia B. Forgive me but 2 kills suggests the existence of multiple killing roles (ie vigs, sks etc) but not necessarily 2 scum groups. Glork did you just scum slip that there are 2 scum groups?
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Post Post #964 (ISO) » Thu May 20, 2010 7:08 am

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Go back and read the first 5 pages DTM, as I feel you've missed perhaps the biggest, most important aspect of Iec being "scum".

That is the fact he claimed a Death Miller (and flipped as a basic goon likely confirming that).

As for votes, we aren't placing ACTUAL votes because of the sodding Doom counter.

Every single vote means Devotress is closer to dying. If it wasn't for the fact you've been ignorant on the Iec issue I would say you know about the Doom counter and are playing the "I didn't know" card.

Either way, hold off the damned voting before we wipe out a player through utter idiocy.

(Edit before final posting: Damn you for beating me Glork :P)
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Post Post #965 (ISO) » Thu May 20, 2010 7:10 am

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No.

I have already stated MULTIPLE TIMES that:
No protown role has reason to kill N1.
In my vocabulary, "scumgroup" refers to any scum faction, regardless of size.


I still want to know where you get the number 4 from. And I still want to know what you think of Iece's possible "Death Miller"ness.
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Post Post #966 (ISO) » Thu May 20, 2010 7:11 am

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6. Ice claimed Death miller? Intresting but I didn't read that part. I told you I was starting off with a VC and I just read that he flipped Mafia Goon. This will reveal it self in the wagons, but Ice = fake claiming DM adds lots of WIFOM.

Did he claim at the start of the day?
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Post Post #967 (ISO) » Thu May 20, 2010 7:12 am

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Also, if three (and possibly 4, if Iece was protown) townies all collectively suspected somebody, wouldn't it be more likely that Prana is scum, and that Bill was distancing?




Your analysis is horrible. I've not decided if it's scummy yet.
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Post Post #968 (ISO) » Thu May 20, 2010 7:13 am

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and DTM, the FoS AREN'T counting as votes, but when we reach a maximum we will pile the votes on. You've just told town (and I'm paraphrasing) "vote Anti or Prana, you have no other options unless you want Devotress to die today for sure".

(Incidentally, I don't have a scum read on Devo, and lots do on me and Anti, so I don't actually mind the situation so much, though would rather Anti went more than myself what with me not being scum and all, but even in the event of my lynch, at least town have removed a suspicious player from their list of suspects).

Zork was only "confirmed townie" after he snuffed it as well, prior to his lynch he was doing zero scum hunting, but was posting lots of game flavour, and that came off as scummy. It's not like he was confirmed town prior to his lynch here.
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Post Post #969 (ISO) » Thu May 20, 2010 7:13 am

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Kdub wrote:Meh:
I asked you for your own reasons
why
you find your suspects scummy. Saying that Anti is scummy for calling JP scum and defending Prana doesn't get to the heart of why those actions are suspicions. Citing Glork's reasons for suspecting me are not your own reasons. Finding Prana scummy since yesterday is a statement, not a reason. Try again.

wolf, who do you suspect other than JP? You've been a bit quiet today.
Prana has committed some scumtells.

Anti defended Prana. That makes Anti more likely to be scum.

Glork has summed up my reasons already for calling you scum.

DTM- Have you even read the thread? Gaaaahhhh. Why did you VOTE? And why are you counting Iece as scum?

If we lynch scum who's not Prana, Anti, JP, or DT, then doom is killing someone.
I think I'm back. Mafiascum just became 20% cooler in 10 seconds flat.
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Post Post #970 (ISO) » Thu May 20, 2010 7:13 am

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He claimed BEFORE D1, which is the correct way to do so: http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/dajHTHnNPqZFC

There was also like a 5 page discussion about his claim at the start of D1, as Prana already stated.

Go read the freaking quicktopic all the way back to its start.
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Post Post #971 (ISO) » Thu May 20, 2010 7:16 am

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@Glork
"cough" Because 4 is the traditional size in large themes.

Kingdom Hearts Mafia.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12809

4 Mafia scum. 1 SK.

If you think there is 2 scum groups, then I think this is the most traditional setup for something this big.

@Prana
Then I'm going to assume Devoutness is confirmed town. Did we confirm the doom counter at all? If Devoute is lying then we should confirm via Voting and lynch obv-scum.

@Glork again
Since Prana Answered me, it is very pro-town for Ice to claim this at the start of the day. I'll include this in my VC analysis.
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Post Post #972 (ISO) » Thu May 20, 2010 7:17 am

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Hello people, I just said
I didn't read and would start off with a VC analysis
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Post Post #973 (ISO) » Thu May 20, 2010 7:19 am

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@Mew
If you think Anti is scum with Prana, why do you have prefrence to lynch Anti over Prana. With that logic it makes it look like you are linked with Prana. Skip the middle man and go for scumz.

@Glork
Hence why I voted Prana? Omg you are attacking me for attacking Prana who you say should be the subject of the attack given he's garnered the majority of the town votes on day 1. What kind of logic is that Glork.
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Post Post #974 (ISO) » Thu May 20, 2010 7:20 am

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1st, a SK IS a scum group as far as I'm concerned, it's a "scum group" on his own side. Which means he's a threat to the town. Ergo, still a seperate group in that sense.

2nd Nobody knows whether Devotress is town, or is scum in another group seperate to those who cast Doom or anything yet.

We DO know she's not lying, because JP's vote has a number under it that was placed there by the mod, your post will do so as soon as Kise catches up. When the counter reaches 0, Devotress dies.

and if you "didn't read" Why in the sweet blue smeg DID YOU VOTE?!

Wait until you've ACTUALLY caught up before sodding voting. You've already seen that people weren't voting, but were using FoS, so why did you outright refuse to find out WHY before voting?

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