Mini 975 - Dirty Dirty South Mafia - game over

[Hoopla]

steal

[Ellibereth]

DOUBLE steal.
Bouncy is town.

[Incognito]

*Kenman (5) <-~ Ellibereth, SerialClergyman, bouncy.bouncy, Earlder1, Steam-Powered Shovel
Earlder1 (3) <-~ TheButtonmen, SaintKerrigan, Kenman

Not voting (3) <-~ camn, Hoopla, Maemuki

11 alive; 6 votes will do it.

An asterisk by a player's name indicates said player would be lynched if deadline were to hit right this moment.

Morning Deadline:

Friday, May 21st at 9:00 P.M. EST

Day Deadline:

Monday, May 24th at 9:00 P.M. EST

[Kenman]

If i can straighten this out as soon possible it will greatly benefit the town. Assuming BB is telling the truth, can roleblocking one scum, invalidate ALL REMAINING scum members' decisions on who to kill or does it just block special abilities??

Cuz if that is not a possibility then there would still be a kill and he is obv. scum.

Ok, I was going to argue against the logic of this Kenman wagon, but this post is just scummy as hell. Since when has roleblocking one scum roleblocked all the scum? Also, his last sentence looks like a dead giveaway to me. Paraphrased, "If roleblocking one scum doesn't roleblock all scum, there'd still be a kill." Which tells me, "I'm roleblocked scum, but I didn't perform the kill."

It's still too early to end the day, but I've got a hammer on standby.

Even if thats really what you take from it, then doesnt mean that BB is lying?

[Hoopla]

I'm flustered by the situation we're in, because there is a real chance of bouncy and Ken both being town, but we're sort of railroaded into making the next play based on this information. Protection and/or other roleblocking roles and even the possibility of the scumteam missing an action is a chance, but I feel like our hand is forced.

Ken, I'd like you to claim please.

[SaintKerrigan]

Even if thats really what you take from it, then doesnt mean that BB is lying?

Nope. Something else might've happened to prevent your scumbuddy from sending his kill.

[SaintKerrigan]

EBWOP: There could also be a Doc save.

@ Hoopla: Why is Ken town?

[Hoopla]

I think it's probable he is scum, but I don't like being railroaded into decisions that can potentially mess you up on back-to-back days.

[SaintKerrigan]

If by "railroaded" you mean "forced", I fail to see how you are being "forced" to vote for Kenman, or how you were "forced" to vote for Midnight's Sorrow.

[Kenman]

Even if thats really what you take from it, then doesnt mean that BB is lying?

Nope. Something else might've happened to prevent your scumbuddy from sending his kill.

So either is BB is lying(the probably next to be lynched once MS flipped town) or two mafia members ended up being shafted? Your logic makes sense but it is too presumptous.

[Kenman]

Also, look at post 241. Goes off the assumption that since there was no kill, that I must be mafia. Then once BB claims, he changes his reasons on why I am mafia and votes for me. Does this not scream scum to anyone?

[Kenman]

^Earlder goes off the assumption...

[Kenman]

Earlder jumped from bandwagon to bandwagon, and this time he actually demonstrates that his reasons are irrelevant. A bandwagon started by Ellibereth, who is prone to making insane assumptions very early on without providing evidence. Did anyone notice he rules that HALF of the people in the game are town ON THE THIRD PAGE?! Im no genious, but does anyone really have such amazing skills to rule half the town in 3 pages?? How do townies get killed? Like this

[Earlder1]

It's fine that you think I am scum. In fact, if you flip town then I guarentee that either me or bouncy is the next lynch. But realistically, we cannot discount the information bouncy has given us. Unless you make some important claim (like we're about to lynch a town power role), we have no choice but to go with bouncy on this one.

Basically, I wouldn't worry if you really are town because I will proably get lynched next and you will not have died in vain. But, as I said, unless you claim a town power role, I don't see you surviving today.

[Earlder1]

Im no genious, but...

Lol, too funny.

[Kenman]

It's fine that you think I am scum.

Really? I explain BIG reasons as to why you are scum and your best answer is... its fine that I think your scum??

In fact, if you flip town then I guarentee that either me or bouncy is the next lynch.

Do you even care if you lynch a townie?

Basically, I wouldn't worry if you really are town because I will proably get lynched next and you will not have died in vain.

PEOPLE, DOES THAT SOUND PROTOWN TO YOU?? if people cannot see this, then please god just lynch me now.

[camn]

Wow.

Ok, look... I am with Hoopla, and I am going to restate the situation:

There was no kill.
There is a real possibility that
a) the scum screwed up the mechanic.
There is also a real possibility that
b) bouncy, who we can assume is telling the truth, actually blocked scum.

THese situations are not mutually exclusive. Either or both can be true.

HOWEVER.. Kenman almost certainly has to die.
This is bad because:
1. It inhibits us from traditional scum hunting.
2. The Kenman wagon is less valuable, since it is investigation driven.
3. If only a) is true.. then bouncy gets set up for the mislynch.

I PROPOSE: we lynch Kenman with the agreement that bouncy does NOT get lynched on the basis of kenmans flip. Bouncy gets lynched, or not, based on traditional inquisition later in the game.

If everyone can agree to that, then I support a Kenman Lynch.

Kenman: I am willing to hear you out.. but claim or Die.

Also, be advised... I >AM< aware of how roleblockers work.. and so is Incog. That line of argument will not fly.

[Hoopla]

Earlder jumped from bandwagon to bandwagon, and this time he actually demonstrates that his reasons are irrelevant. A bandwagon started by Ellibereth, who is prone to making insane assumptions very early on without providing evidence. Did anyone notice he rules that HALF of the people in the game are town ON THE THIRD PAGE?! Im no genious, but does anyone really have such amazing skills to rule half the town in 3 pages?? How do townies get killed? Like this

Less blame, more claim. Get on with it.

[SaintKerrigan]

I PROPOSE: we lynch Kenman with the agreement that bouncy does NOT get lynched on the basis of kenmans flip. Bouncy gets lynched, or not, based on traditional inquisition later in the game.

I totally agree with this.

[Kenman]

Usually it ends up being hopless, since by the time people are asking for a claim, they are so convinced that whatever that person says is a lie.

Regardless, I am a

hider

. This is pretty much my first non-newbie game. So I am not 100%, how to effectively use my ability, but I hid behind Hoopla, because he seemed the most town to me.

[Hoopla]

If by "railroaded" you mean "forced", I fail to see how you are being "forced" to vote for Kenman, or how you were "forced" to vote for Midnight's Sorrow.

Towns should be making decisions together based on the best evidence we have, even though this evidence never guarentees us anything. Role/action based evidence is significantly more reliable than psuedo-psychological evidence, which is why we almost certainly have to use bouncy's information today. The kick in the teeth will be if Kenman flips town and we were pushed into this scenario without making a suboptimal play. Today's lynch feels like it needs to happen and we have no alternatives. When there are no alternatives, there is little information to be gleaned from wagon analysis/vote counts. The Midnight's Sorrow lynch wasn't forced because the 'evidence' was up for debate.

[Hoopla]

Hmmm. Hider seems like a pretty Incognito-type role.

[Hoopla]

Usually it ends up being hopless, since by the time people are asking for a claim, they are so convinced that whatever that person says is a lie.

Regardless, I am a

hider

. This is pretty much my first non-newbie game. So I am not 100%, how to effectively use my ability, but I hid behind Hoopla, because he seemed the most town to me.

Were you told if you were roleblocked?

[Kenman]

I wasnt notified, so I'm assuming it went through.

[camn]

Hider, Hmm. That is a scummeriffic claim.

Can we use it somehow?
We can.

Kenman.. lucky you, you live.

We are going to use you as an investigative role.
From here on out, you need to hide behind the SCUMMIEST player.

Do it, and tell us who you are hiding behind AHEAD of time.

If you die, and flip hider, we know who the scum was.
If you AND they die.. then we lost you, but directed the NK to a scummy townie... so yay.
If you AND they live.. then we file that away.

In a couple days, (BEFORE LYLO, PEOPLE!) if Kenman is still alive.. we lynch him.
If he flips Hider, then all his Targets are clear.
If he flips scum, then Yay.

Everyone Unvote, please.. and lets get down to biz.
Kenman.. Hide behind Earl.