NY 114: Mafia vs. Werewolves (Game Over)

[Parama]

/connecticut

I don't live there.

[Parama]

/caught scum already

[Parama]

Votes don't count pregame. Don't see why you're so nervous already.
And I wasn't talking about you anyways, but you can join the list if you want to <3

[Parama]

Reaction test failed. I did imply it was you, considering it was in response to your post. Can't believe you bought that.

Delayed vote: SSSF

Note to mod: this vote should not be recognized until Day 1 starts kthx

[Parama]

Yeah, um, I think I'm going to stop the argument between me and Parama now. I realize it's going nowhere.

Dig that hole why don't you.

[Parama]

I joined this game because I could.

[Parama]

Your best game is getting lynched D1? <_<

[Parama]

Don't give town reads because that tells the mafia who to kill.
Stick to giving scum reads and only scum reads (neutral reads MAYBE)

[Parama]

Don't give more than the bottom 6 at any given time, please.

[Parama]

We should be lynching SSBF D1 anyways, I don't see why it's important.

[Parama]

We're lynching you Day 1 but I never said it had to happen quickly. Though if it takes too long I'll be pretty mad.

[Parama]

We don't need an RVS. I already voted, the vote just doesn't count until the game starts.

[Parama]

Super Smash Bros. Fan's list is null... I don't really agree with it, but I don't see what makes it so scummy. It seems more like something easy to bandwagon onto. With that in mind,

FomS: Parama and Chronopie

. Parama seems far more eager to lynch over that alone, but chronopie seems to be following him, which is odd.

The list is plain stupid. The obvious nervousness and caution that SSBF is playing with is the real problem.

@ Vi's questions:
1. 12, according to my sig.
2. Define "Experienced."
3. No
4. No

[Parama]

CONFIRM DAMMIT

[Parama]

You're such a nice guy. I hope you will join my crusade to lynch SSBF D1.

[Parama]

First off,

vote: SSBF

Presents that Leafsnail asked for!
This and the series of posts following it.
Dammit, I screwed up!
And a lot of his posts are pointless info about himself that nobody cares about.

ALSO.

Vote: Seraphim

and

FoS: nhammen

because they didn't post during pre-game period.

Do you think any of the people who DID post during pregame are scummy?

Not at all. This was completely random. If I was serious, I would have driven my vote to Parama.

So you'd OMGUS me?

[Parama]

^oh yeah I missed including that one earlier^

[Parama]

Oh God Leaf you're really going to make me explain something so obvious? Why are you so concerned with it anyways? For all you know I'm RVSing (I'm not but still <_<)

[Parama]

The more Parama talks, the more I want to rescind my initial Town read on him and/or smack him through the Internet.

Yeah that happens a lot.
I'm going to hold onto that vote that I have currently placed because I like it. I like it a lot.

[Parama]

So, tell me Parama, why is SSBF scum?

Read the thread.

[Parama]

So, tell me Parama, why is SSBF scum?

Read the thread.

All I see is you saying "lol SSBF is scum" with nothing backing it. Don't dodge the question.

If you would read carefully, you'd see the question has already been answered.

LOL chainsaw attacks.

[Parama]

Read the thread.

[Parama]

Why are the posts you link to scummy?

Nervousness - if you can't see it then you're not reading OH WAIT

Who cares that his posts were "pointless info about himself that nobody cares about"? It was the pre-confirm stage, how is that scummy?

Trying to detract from the nervousness in his posting - something factual is easier to talk about.

How is OMGUS scummy?

The reason for one player voting another is that the other player voted for the first. That exclusively = OMGUS = no reason to vote.

[Parama]

I started to become suspcious of Parama waaaay before the game started. He started out as a /caught scum already post. Thinking it was applying to me, he responded to me. He said he wasn't talking about me. Less then fifteen minutes later, he contradicted himself by saying he was implying it to me.

It's called a reaction test, and you failed. Yes, I lied. It should have been obvious because it was heavily implied I meant you. When you eased up after this I knew I had caught scum. You didn't even ask who I said I was mentioning.

Today at 5:53 AM, before the game even got started, he begun to campaign for my lynch. This is way premature. I can understand doing it when we have a lot to go off and your reason for voting a person is legitimate, but that was pre-game, so this makes absolutely no sense.

So you're denying that anything in pre-game is worth mentioning.
What would be the point of having a pregame then?

We're lynching you Day 1 but I never said it had to happen quickly. Though if it takes too long I'll be pretty mad.

I noticed another contradiction here. He said he didn't want me lynched too quickly. Then why did he on the EXACT same post say that he'll be pretty mad if it takes too long to lynch? This is another contradiction.

LOL. I didn't imply any definite times, and you act like I did.
Too quickly = less than 3 days
Too long = more than a week

Contradiction =/= exist

He also said that he didn't like the fact I was trying to be cautious. I don't see how that's a problem. Being cautious can actually be helpful in the game. It means you're trying to think before posting and if anything, it benefits you.

Scum are the ones concerned about looking scummy. They act cautious. Townies have reason to act aggressive - it pressures the scum into slipping up. There's no reason to be cautious as town.
And you just admitted to being cautious. GG.

He started off Day 1 with a half-assed case on me. When Vi explained what was the purpose of my vote, I said it was random, but if my vote was serious, it would voting toward Parama. He then goes to immediately accuse me of doing an OMGUS if I were to do that, which I call BS on.

You didn't give any reason to suspect me - implying you had no reason to want to vote besides me voting you.

When Seraphim and Leafsnail asked Parama to explain why I was suspicious again, Parama gave half-hearted responses multiple times. From ISO 17-21, Parama completely neglected to mention why I was scummy when they both asked.

I am lazy and hate repeating myself.

On top of that, out of all the people on my bandwagon (him, Unsight, Chronopie, Dr. Robotnik), no one and I mean no one has tunneled me as much as Parama. Almost all of his posts has been dedicated toward me. Most of his pre-game post were related to me in some way and I swear,

every single post

in Day 1 are in some way related toward going against me. It makes me wonder if he's even considering other suspects.

I'm tunneling to draw out scum - it works in two different way.
1. Pressure a target to see their reactions
2. See what sort of crowd the wagon attracts

Both these can be used to get reads on the player being tunneled as well as the bandwagon voters. Very nice and it's working quite well. Though with 2 scumteams it won't be quite as efficient.
Still, this works for me so I'm not going to change because you want me to.

Yeah there's a lot of pointless arguments here.

[Parama]

I started to become suspcious of Parama waaaay before the game started. He started out as a /caught scum already post. Thinking it was applying to me, he responded to me. He said he wasn't talking about me. Less then fifteen minutes later, he contradicted himself by saying he was implying it to me.

It's called a reaction test, and you failed. Yes, I lied. It should have been obvious because it was heavily implied I meant you. When you eased up after this I knew I had caught scum. You didn't even ask who I said I was mentioning.

Today at 5:53 AM, before the game even got started, he begun to campaign for my lynch. This is way premature. I can understand doing it when we have a lot to go off and your reason for voting a person is legitimate, but that was pre-game, so this makes absolutely no sense.

So you're denying that anything in pre-game is worth mentioning.
What would be the point of having a pregame then?

By the way something I realized right after making this post but couldn't get a chance to post:
He builds half his case on me based on pre-game stuff, and then he says that pre-game content isn't very useful.
Hello, contradiction much? Also chalk up hypocrisy because you're accusing me of contradicting myself while you contradict yourself within your case on me. Yay!

I think vez is lying tbqh. The claim doesn't seem genuine at all.

[Parama]

I feel sorry for you, stuck with 2 VIs as masonbuddies.

And I'll buy that claim because I don't see why you would've claimed otherwise.

[Parama]

Oh great, the VI masons are at it again.
Dear god this is going to be a frustrating game ._.

[Parama]

I think vez is lying tbqh. The claim doesn't seem genuine at all.

I feel sorry for you, stuck with 2 VIs as masonbuddies.

Sure, seraphim claimed in the meantime, but how does that make it more convincing? After all, if Vezo was scum falseclaiming mason with 2 random people he'd die immediately when they say "Uh, no I'm not". If you thought Vezo was scum with daniel and seraphim, well, how does seraphim's claim change anything?

Seraphim was the one who claimed mason, not Vez. Your point is invalid.

Parama has been completely insane and weird in his arguments against SSBF, trying to force a lynch somehow, very scummy IMO

My arguments make perfect sense .-. If you don't see why then you don't understand them.

Also yes I am somewhat insane if it matters.

[Parama]

The Goat and Dr. Robotnik still haven't done anything to make me think they're something other than scum, so etc. ChronoCircleConstant could go either way tbh.

What were your original reasons on these two? I must've missed them. I probably did, tbh, since I haven't been giving this game enough attention since you guys aren't lynching SSBF.

WOW.

I just looked and I was totally confusing this game with another one. My bad. Sigh.

I have no idea whether scum can daytalk or not, but I can understand that looks badly like a slip. Zzzzzz.

For future reference, this is an extreme moment of derpiness, not a scumslip. I have these moments often for I fail.

I do agree that if one of the masons flips werewolf, we should (probably, depends on circumstances) lynch another to make sure they're not a scumteam.

Let's line up lynches based on something we can't confirm? No. Also, Seraphim would've been a complete idiot to out his entire scumteam like that - he's linked to the two as masons now. If one of them flips mason then the other two can't be lying, though it doesn't necessarily mean they aren't werewolves. But nonetheless we're not lynching a mason today.

In my opinion, we shouldn't pay much attention to the mason grouping alone, because they could be werewolves, and that is as likely as anything. So I think attacking masons is warranted, but it can't be because they are masons.

Your logic makes no sense. There is no good reason to lynch a claimed mason, especially on D1. If they're lying the other scumgroup will end up shooting at them eventually, anyways.

Hmm... Dr. Robotnik's continued push on a mason lynch does look rather scummy, I admit. Could be mafia trying to get a mason/werewolf lynch or a werewolf trying to push a lynch on a mason, either seems possible. I wouldn't mind voting him...

But I like my vote better. So

FoS: Dr. Robotnik

for now.
But, now that I think about it, there's another vote I like even better than both.

unvote, vote: SGRaaize

SGRaaize is doing the same thing as Robotnik, but he's a greater offender in terms of scumtells. His very first vote was on page 15, for a claimed mason. He's doing what Robotnik is doing... but though he's expressed suspicions before, he never acted upon them until now. And the vote is for weaker reasons than in his earlier posts where he didn't vote. If that isn't suspicious I don't what is.

Wait.

Nhammen's post has made everything crystal clear.

So defensive after one vote?? And still sitting on that fence. I actually agree with Sevis here.

This is a good point and a good reason to vote someone... and yet you don't.

@foilist 328: STOP ROLEFISHING!

vote foilist

@foilist 347: STOP ROLEFISHING!!!!!!

Looking at those two posts, they aren't really rolefishing... at all. More rhetorical questions adding to his points. And regardless that's not a good reason to vote.

@Chrono 379: Not you too! DO NOT ROLEFISH!

@Chrono 382: STOP ROLEFISHING

FOS: Chrono

This is genuine rolefishing by Chrono, yet you merely FoS.

foilist, SGR, and robotnik are the current scummiest players IMO.

And not Chrono, for doing the same exact thing you accuse foilist of? Note that foilist isn't really rolefishing though you accuse him of it, while Chrono is.

Guys, I've caught scumbuddies here, can we lynch them?

unvote

Vote: Nhammen

Super Mega HoS: Chronopie

HoS: SGRaaize

HoS: SSBF

FoS: Dr. Robotnik

If there is not a nhammen lynch in the next 24 hours I'm going to scream. Nhammen's post has caught 2 scum.

[Parama]

Parama, rhetorical rolefishing is still rolefishing. And if you don't think that was rolefishing, you must be seriously blind. As for why foilist and not chrono? I just figured that foilist's was trying much harder to disguise itself as something else. You claim you read the posts in question and did NOT think they were rolefishing??? I do not understand how you could possibly think that.

Yup. Foilist's questions looked rhetorical (as in, don't answer these) and were lead-ins to his major points, which happen to be quote solid.

Chrono's posts are just blatant rolefishing.
The most damning evidence is a lack of you putting Chrono on your scumlist for the same offense that foilist (your VOTE) committed.

Also, Chrono, it's too late to bus for town-cred since your buddy outed you both.

[Parama]

@Parama: Is there anyone you aren't HOSing or FOSing in that post? Don't they start to lose meaning when you've done it to 5 people in the same post?

Note that I gave a specific order, IE this is my preferred lynch order. I'm voting the obvious scum but I don't have two votes to lynch them both with so nhammen is the preferred choice because a nhammen scumflip implies Chronoscum slightly more than a Chrono scumflip implies nhammenscum. Plus nhammen was the one who committed the offense in question, therefore he is the one deserving of my vote.

[Parama]

So you think that asking what role he could possibly have that would explain these actions is NOT rolefishing? Or did you just read this in some other language?

Hidden rolefishing is scummier than blatant rolefishing. If they are Town, they have NOTHING TO HIDE.

If it doesn't look like rolefishing, then it isn't. If you think it looks like rolefishing, you're lying.

Also, by your definition of townieness, every power role should claim immediately.

[Parama]

They're VOTING for each other now?? What the hell kind of mason team is this?

I will take the 6)answer: Something you didn't talk about.

Seraphim claimed for whatever stupid reason he had.
I'll Unvote
Vote daniel94581

1) Saying it's something I didn't think of isn't good enough. You have to explain what that is, because I'm pretty sure I exhausted the possibilities.

2) If you do have some kind of magic role, why don't your mason mates know about it? The only reason I can think of is because you are a werewolf.

3) Normally I would be extremely annoyed at you for voting without an explanation. You however took it to the next level and not only didn't explain your vote, you voted for your mason mate! You're supposed to KNOW their alignment. If they could be werewolves, then yes he COULD be scum, but that isn't anything close to a reason to vote for him. The probability of him being scum is actually lower for him than your average player.

Reasons. Now.

You don't see any rolefishing in this post? It's all just rhetoric to you?

1) is frustration becausse vezo is being a VI, asking for an explanation on something that doesn't make sense
2) is a good question that doesn't have anything to do with rolefishing
3) has nothing to do with rolefishing in the slightest

It's also weird to see you FoS/HoS some of the biggest suspects of the last 10 pages and vote none of them. Seems like you're giving lip service to the various bandwagons to gain support for this one.

I only have one vote y'know.

[Parama]

Second one, I already responded to.

First one, a list of possibilities that are equally likely =/= rolefishinh

Third quote A: prodding for info, not necessarily role related
Third quote B: Not rolefishing at all

[Parama]

^this is precisely my point^

[Parama]

The problem with Nhammen's posting now is that he hasn't done anything to disprove my main points.

This is called caught scum.

[Parama]

SGRaaize, if you continue to quote walls and respond with one-liners I will lynch you on policy because that's a waste of space and it only serves to make posts a lot longer than they need to be.

The problem with Nhammen's posting now is that he hasn't done anything to disprove my main points.

Your main points are absolute crap!

^This is not a defense^

TBQH I don't give a damn about your claim, since that's equally likely a scum role as it is town, and I believe you to be scum aside from it.

The wagon on me HAS to be scum driven. There is no way there could be this many mistakes unless there is a scum pushing them. I hope that Parama is scum.

Because I make valid points that you cannot deny, I'm scum? Sorry for scumhunting then.
Note that your argument is even weaker since there are two scumteams thus scum would want to find each other. I'm sure there's scum on the wagon, but it could be one scumgroup riding the wagon of another. And tbh that's fine, since it leads to a scumlynch. The goal of this game is to get the scum to lynch each other more than anything.
So obviously, you're just disguising OMGUS-esque logic as something that's certain not true. You call me scum for no reason, call my case crap for no reason, and you're just not even trying at all. I don't see how you can't be scum.

All of you lets lynch nhammen. Every town roleblocker claim I saw was just the scum roleblocker. My vote stands.

While there ARE town roleblockers, they're fairly uncommon, especially compared to scum roleblockers. But I'm going to say that you hit the nail on the head here because nhammen is so blatantly scum that a claim is near irrelevant.

Also, this post is ruining

Timeater's

fun by pointing out that the Eater of Tims has posted onsite within the last fifteen minutes, but is woefully absent ITT.

This post took over 15 minutes to write. Posts don't happen quickly y'know, I've spent half an hour writing one post before. Actually in one game I spent about 3 hours doing one ISO read (It wasn't worth it especially considering I was scum in that game).

...though what he posted after is rather lacking in the content department.

I'm not changing my vote and I'm not going to because nhammen is scum and letting him off with a claim (which could easily be a scum PR) is weak.

[Parama]

I love the people who are saying I "redeemed" myself when I never did anything scummy in the first place.

[Parama]

Epic scumslip, Time.

BUT I STILL WANT NHAMMEN LYNCHED.

[Parama]

SSBF, Mason = not mafia, Monk = not werewolf, therefore Vezo = not scum.

[Parama]

Goddammit SSBF please read. The masons in this game are NOT mafia. It's part of the point of having 2 different masonesque groups.

[Parama]

unvote, vote: nhammen

I think we're forgetting why we're here, guys.
Less pointless talk, more lynching of obvious scum please.

[Parama]

Midnight is missing the point.

My original reasons =/= BS
My original reasons = easy logic to follow that damns Nhammen because he knows he's caught

Your blatant defense of Nhammen by calling the logic crap without disproving any of it is noted.

[Parama]

Then you don't understand my reasons which means you probably aren't reading my posts since I spelled them out pretty clearly.

READ THE THREAD.

[Parama]

A roleblocker is not a useful town role. Due to being uninformed, there is a much higher potential of missing a Block, or even Hitting something useful (Such as a cop).

So you're saying you think he's town but his role is useless anyways so we should lynch him.

...



Someone daykill Chrono or Nhammen please.

[Parama]

A roleblocker is not a useful town role. Due to being uninformed, there is a much higher potential of missing a Block, or even Hitting something useful (Such as a cop).

Again.

Y'know what. Screw it.

unvote, vote: Chronopie

Guys I think he scumslipped right here.

[Parama]

A roleblocker is not a useful town role. Due to being uninformed, there is a much higher potential of missing a Block, or even Hitting something useful (Such as a cop).

[Parama]

Lol Nhammen is going to use meta.

unvote, vote nhammen

I don't like Chrono's explanation and his post is a total WTF but Nhammen is getting even worse.

[Parama]

Nhammen, I can't be a VI if I'm right.

[Parama]

Nhammen, I can't be a VI if I'm right.

But if at the end of the game, we find out that you are wrong, can I call you a VI? Can I gloat about it in the end of game part of the thread? Can I push for a policy lynch of you in any future game I play with you? Because I soooo want to do that.

You're sour that I made a good case against you and that you're going to get lynched because of it. I'm not a VI by any standards.

[Parama]

Wait, so foilist, you're saying nhammen's accusations against you are completely valid?

unvote, vote: foilist13

Straight from the horse's mouth, foilist admits to being scum.

[Parama]

By the way, logic: If foilist agrees with nhammen's points against him, then they are in fact valid and my case against nhammen is invalid because foilist himself has said nhammen's words are true.

So foilist says that the main reason nhammen is calling him scum is indeed the truth. Basically, admitting to being scum. Good job mate.

[Parama]

I shouldn't have to do this but you guys will probably need it.

2)Clearly I was trying to get him to explain his role. I don't really understand how you didn't see that, but I appreciate you giving me the benefit of the doubt. Nhammen was wrong in thinking that what I was doing was inherently scummy. I do not however need to defend my vezo case here.

^this is admission of guilt^
Nhammen: foilist is rolefishing
Parama: Nuh-uh!
foilist: yes I'm rolefishing

Again. :s

3) FoS is the logical thing to do if you're already voting someone else. This is not scummy.

Missing the bigger issue. You and Chrono were accused of the same thing, yet nhammen votes you and doesn't even put Chrono on his scumlist.

nhammen was voting on the basis that asking for a role claim this early in the game was a scum move. If you take that as a given, his case was legitimate. It was pointed out to him that he was wrong, and he dropped the case. Scum move? I think not.

So you're saying he was wrong, yet you agree that he was right? Contradiction much?

Your initial case is therefore illegitimate and can therefore be discounted.

You have done nothing to disprove my case - all you've done is incriminate yourself in defense of nhammen. Hell, you might be buddies and nhammen was just getting an early bus in. I don't see why you're going to such great lengths to defend someone who was called out after a vote on you.

My questions were my major points. How could he possibly defend himself from them without claiming? Those were not rhetorical at all.

^more admission of guilt^

As I said before, Chrono's role searching was far more conservative than mine. I wanted to know his role. nhammen thought that was scummy. The fact that he thought Chronopie's posts were more legitimate is not at all implausible.

The two crimes are weighted equally since they same offense is being committed. Yet you defend nhammen's vote on you.

1) This was a ridiculous comment. However, this post by nhammen is the first one to lend some credibility to your case through no fault of your own. He does say that hidden rolefishing is scummier than blatant rolefishing. I was blatant rolefishing, Chronopie was hidden scumfishing (presumably).

Wrong, you were the one hidden rolefishing, and Chrono's was blatant.
Oh, haha, you're going off the basis that nhammen finds Chrono scummier than you, aren't you. Haha. That's hilarious.

2) His defenition of towniness was refering to the scum hunter, not the one being hunted. One has nothing to hide as in "if you want to rolefish, do it openly."

I think this is completely irrelevant to my point.

1) This was not asked in frustration. I legitimately wanted the answer.

^admission of guilt^

2) This is relevant to his role, and claiming would be the only real way of defending himself from it.

^admission of guilt^

3) This clearly is relevant to his being a mason, which is role information.

Wow, you're really trying to turn something that isn't rolefishing at all into rolefishing just so nhammen's case looks more valid? Why in hell's name would a townie do that?

Clearly you didn't have any main points, so what did you expect him to defend against exactly?

facepalm.jpg

1) No it is not a defense, it is a statement. A legitimate one incidentally.

If he's not even going to bother defending himself then I have every right to call him out for it, don't I?

1) You haven't made any valid points.

^total BS^

2) His argument hasn't changed, he's just taken a crack at finding scum.

??? what is this in reference to?

3) Yes it would lead to a scum lynch. That means that we can assume there will be scum on EVERY wagon until the end. One scum team will always be able to lynch someone who is not their own. This is a helpful legitimate point, not a weaksauce defense.

??? was there a point to this paragraph? I can't see one.

What

did

you do?

For starters, I didn't add pointless filler to my posts just to make them longer.

...what? An epic scumslip would far outweigh everything you've brought up about nhammen even if it was legitimate.

Maybe "epic scumslip" was an exaggeration. How about "large ping on a scumdar that isn't quite as big as nhammen's".

Now you're just tunneling.

I've BEEN tunneling. Yup. It didn't START at one point

You're lack of meaningful defense for your crap-case is noted.

What's the point of defending a case that's valid? What's the point of defending a case at all? A case is meant to attack.

To quote you: ^This is not a defense^

I'm not defending anything. So yes, nice observation, sherlock.

So this scum slip was enough to deter you from your nhammen case, but the epic one earlier was not? Interesting.

Lol. Wow. You're ignorant.

...so now nhammen's alleged degeneration of play is enough to outweigh Chronopie's scumslip? Even though you don't like Chronopie's defense?

I can call something a scumslip but it wouldn't look that way in everyone's eyes. What would you say if I said nhammen had scumslipped 3 times?

Now you're somehow managing to tunnel nhammen AND wagon hop at the same time. This is impressive.

I didn't wagon hop if I ended up right back where I started in short period of time.

Nhammen, I can't be a VI if I'm right.

Yes you can.

No, I can't.

You didn't make a good case, and you're a VI by mine.

Then at least 12 others in this game are even worse VIs. Are you willing to stand by your standards if your standards are wrong?

This concludes your posts. Based on what you've presented I see no reason whatsoever to vote nhammen. I actually see a lot more reason to vote you. However I'm going to reserve my vote for now until I've had a chance to analyze some of the other players.

Giving yourself a reason to vote later in case a wagon on me forms, eh? If you want to vote me, DO IT NOW SCUM.

[Parama]

You have until your next post to vote me or die a horrible death.

[Parama]

You have until your next post to vote me or die a horrible death.

Why do you want votes on you? I see no benefits in this whatsoever. As any factions, you want to avoid votes period.

I don't want "votes" on me. I want foilist to vote me. He's put more logic up against me than he has anyone else yet he absolutely refuses to vote. He's leaving himself open to come back and vote me later if a wagon builds on me, but he doesn't want to vote right now. This is scummy.

[Parama]

I said I would vote after I was done analyzing other players. I'm not in the habit of tossing my vote around willy-nilly.

You are in no place to threaten me. I'll vote when I'm good and ready, and not before. No one is going to start a wagon on me based on your word at this point.

Guys, we have a nhammen/foilist scumteam. GG.

[Parama]

Ok, so Parama and Chronopie OMGUS voted me. Good play to both of you.

I stopped reading your post here because if you're going to misrepresent me like that then I have no reason to read a word of the BS your posting.

I am not a bad player. If I am a bad player, then everyone who voted nhammen after my case is a bad player as well.

[Parama]

YOU HAVE NOT DISPROVED ANY OF MY LOGIC. ALL YOU HAVE DONE IS CALL IT CRAP WITHOUT GIVING ANY EVIDENCE.

[Parama]

I'm making myself look bad because foilist is lacking any sort of logic in his posts and instead seems satisfied with calling me a VI and calling my points crap without giving reasons. Right. You're a terrible scumhunter then, sorry to tell you.

[Parama]

Fine, there is no sense in foilist's attacks on me and my case, happy now?

[Parama]

there is no sense in foilist's attacks on me and my case

[Parama]

Oh yeah.
I am right and you are wrong. That's what I forgot to add.

Seriously sometimes I feel like you guys aren't even hearing a word I'm saying because I make the scum obvious and you guys decide to ignore my cases anyways.

[Parama]

I'm making myself look bad because foilist is lacking any sort of logic in his posts and instead seems satisfied with calling me a VI and calling my points crap without giving reasons. Right. You're a terrible scumhunter then, sorry to tell you.

To be honest, you yourself haven't been making too much sense with your case on foilist13. Also, foilist13 has been using some sort of logic. It seems like you're pushing suspicious on him.

He's incriminating himself while defending nhammen by calling my case crap - he admitted to what nhammen accused him of under the assumption that nhammen was accusing him of a lesser offense.

[Parama]

For others' convenience, here is a list of brick walls in this game:

* Chronopie
* daniel94581
* Dr. Robotnik
* foilist13
* Midnight's Sorrow
* nhammen
* Seraphim
* SGRaaize
* Super Smash Bros. Fan
* Unsight
* vezopiraka

[Parama]

foilist get your head out of your *** please

[Parama]

Your definition of OMGUS implies you're voting 4 people at once.

[Parama]

@Parama: Why did you list Unsight as a list of brick walls in this game? He/She has been doing pretty good in this game so far.

If "doing okay" is defined as "completely missing the point" then sure. Also partly stems from an earlier game but that's meta so it's not important.

[Parama]

Lol no.

foilist
nhammen
Chrono
SGRaaize
SSBF


looks like a good scumlist to me
Unsight's just being a brick wall, which isn't necessarily scummy by itself.

Also refer back to this post for reasons which haven't done much in the way of changing. Haven't been looking at SGR or SSBF as much recently so they're at the bottom - more interested in you and nhammen.

Where did nhammen go anyways? As soon as the wagon started breaking down he stopped posting.
Oh, he posted earlier today but that post doesn't say anything worthwhile.

[Parama]

unvote, vote: Timeater

OMGUS vote.

[Parama]

You are completely useless.

SC has done plenty more than you have in this game, hypocrite. Besides, you're useless because you're scum and therefore anti-town, so we should lynch you anyways.

[Parama]

Mod - you realize Daniel has posted inthread recently, right?

[Parama]

*I would like for Parama to tone down and/or cease posting. We get the idea.

I CANNOT BE SILENCED

[Parama]

Vezo, you don't know for sure that there's a werewolf in the mason group, and you don't know for sure that there's a mafia in the monk group. Stop assuming.

Anyways

unvote, vote: Chronopie

If Chrono flips scum can we lynch nhammen next? PLEEEEASE?

[Parama]

And, now: he has refused to defend himself against many of the attacks. He jumps on wagons (particularly mine) too quickly. He follows Parama everywhere. And he posts often, but his posts tend to contain no content. And of course the whole rolefishing thing...

vote Chrono

L-2: Claim Time!

Last post you said you find me town
You accuse Chrono of following me, implying I'm scum with Chrono.

Lolololol.

[Parama]

Lowell, vote Chrono.

[Parama]

Close enough.

[Parama]

'nuff said
hammatime

[Parama]

Lack of solid defense = caught scum IMO, it's common

[Parama]

Mod, can I be a triple voter please?

[Parama]

Daykill: The Arguments

Now we're getting somewhere.

[Parama]

Parama

No reason on his latest vote, just a vote, and begging to string up nhammen next. little suspicion voiced beforehand.

FoS: SC, LMP, Parama, and Nhammen

How quickly you change your mind once I turn against you.

[Parama]

nhammen/foilist/chrono scumteam, I already told you guys this

[Parama]

SSBF, your tone is terrible.
The MS-Chrono link you're suggesting is complete nonsense.
And Chrono didn't self-hammer, he was more than dead by then.

SSBF is whatever scum faction that Chrono isn't IMO.

[Parama]

Chrono are you third party or something? You sound like it.

[Parama]

Too late, you're dead.

[Parama]

Lynch proof was part of the Crapclaim.

You're still lynched.

[Parama]

Haha, only one kill? From the flavor it sounds like the werewolf kill, too. Hmm... who would want to kill Vi? I think I need to ISO him.
inb4NKWIFOM

Also placeholder vote until something happens:

vote: nhammen

[Parama]

Guys, the NK could easily be an attempt to frame Sevis, though I admit he's pretty scummy.

I would say MS is probably town because of the quick bandwagon but in a 2-faction game who knows?

However SSBF is looking mighty scummy again, trying to push the lynch without giving any real good reasons.

Vote: SSBF

. Why you guys made me change my vote D1, I will never know.

[Parama]

guys the roleblock =/= evidence
We don't know the setup. We don't even know if nhammen is telling the truth. Is a claim by an unconfirmed RB in a closed setup going to be the only reason most people are voting? It's obviously foilist's only reason.

[Parama]

From the kill flavor, nope.

[Parama]

SSBF's got the 1000th post in the thread... and it's brilliant. Too bad he's also scum, but on a different team that foilist. But still

unvote, vote: foilist

because he's still on my scumlist guise and because SSBF is actually helping, unlike foilist.

[Parama]

unvote; Vote SGRaiize

Well. We either get scum or we either get scum. It's a 50% chance. +50%

Um, no, SGR being town does not imply Nhammen is scum, though this wagon is still the most retarded thing I've ever seen, based on a roleblock which isn't even a form of investigation or anything close to it.

[Parama]

Plus, while this might be evidence that SGRaaize is a scum, we shouldn't kill him yet.

This looks like a terribly worded sentence to me. Just sayin'.

[Parama]

I can't believe your wagon isn't bigger. You are now scummier than SGR. Congratulations.

He's scummier than the guy who is being replaced? Wow, that's hard to do. /sarcasm

LMP is reaching. REALLY reaching. I don't see why MS is scum. Foilist, nhammen, SSBF are all way better votes.

[Parama]

That's the idiotic assumption that too many people seem to be making, which is NOT TRUE AT ALL FFS

[Parama]

Ani, if you read the flavor, you'd see that the Vi kill was made by the werewolves <_<

[Parama]

Considering how bandwagon happy you were with your vote yesterday, it's a bit odd to see you avoiding both the major wagons today.

I don't follow much.
1. I started the SSBF wagon
2. I started the nhammen wagon
3. I had already expressed suspicion of Chrono prior to my vote on him

I'm not a sheep. If you haven't figured this out by now then you're not paying attention.

[Parama]

Ok,

unvote

for now. If SGR is getting replaced then there is no reason to be voting him, and there is now enough D2 content for fresh reads on people.

Been a smidge busy, but I'll get to those reads when I get a chance. I figured 1 day wasn't worth a V/LA though

So you didn't see when he announced replacement at the start of the day before nhammen even posted? And now that it's convenient you're jumping off? Wow.

[Parama]

I had and idea.
Maybe there is a werewolf mafia scum. I think this needs to verified.

One guy from each mafia group should claim their team so we know if there is a mafia werewolf

Just to let you know that would be an impossible role to win, as you would have 2 wincons that oppose each other

I agree that askbob is totally exploding all over the place. It's like he forgot to act townie and just wants to lynch someone.

[Parama]

Everyone, stop voting Socrates and lynch foilist.

[Parama]

Foilist has not successfully refuted any cases.

[Parama]

I've already found certain scum, so I won't be doing much of that right now.

[Parama]

Start here, read the next few posts.

[Parama]

Oh god I started rereading from where I linked and I want to kill myself this game is terrible why are we not lynching obvscum foilist

[Parama]

I have sympathy for socrates' situation, what with replacing in with many votes.

But we're still left with someone claiming to have roleblocked someone else and in the process leaving us with waaaaay fewer NKs than standard in a game this size. Right? I'm not willing to watch the socrates wagon die down. His is the only lynch that makes sense.

The lynch actually makes no sense at all. But I think a Lowell lynch would be a pretty decent one.

FoS: Lowell

Foilist keeps my vote though. I may ISO Lowell soon, he's another person who's likely scum.

[Parama]

Unsight, I didn't see your questions in the first place.
First: I didn't ISO MS and I don't plan on it.
Second: I didn't ISO SGR and I don't plan on it.
Third: Chrono was on my scumlist, the wagons for the more obvious scum just never picked up.

[Parama]

No, I didn't see them. I quoted the same post, so what? I am a selective reader. And I answered them now. Your argument is completely ridiculous.

[Parama]

Really, how could you know what I do or don't read? <_<

[Parama]

Foilist, your case is just a massive wall of text without explaining why most of the quotes are scummy, and you're using it to hide a simple thing - an OMGUS vote because you're sour that I've caught you and won't let go. Tunneling is the best way to prove scum to everyone else once you yourself have found them, and it's worked beautifully thus far - I mean, look - you and nhammen are obviously buddies, otherwise there's no chance in hell you'd have defended him so much as to make yourself look worse. But it's okay, I realize a roleblocker is an important mafia role and you don't want your buddy to get lynched because your team needs it.

[Parama]

Why don't you lynch him then and find out? You are positive he is scum and it would give you useable info on me or Socrates (if nhammen flips town I can't be his scum partner, and if he flips scum he probably is not aligned with Socrates).

Guys, if you don't see what's wrong with this paragraph, please stop playing mafia forever. It's just so...
This is why foilist is a much better lynch than nhammen <.<

[Parama]

I can quote any of my cases and I'd succeed at your challenge. So go away, scum. You're trying to get me off your case through any means necessary. It ain't working.

[Parama]

Stop calling us incompetent just because we've caught you. You're just sour.

[Parama]

You're the scummiest right now.

[Parama]

Of everyone in this game, I am the worst possible lynch for those reasons.

This is grounds for a policy lynch

[Parama]

If I was dodging questions, why did I answer them as soon I realized they existed?
I am somewhat selective focusing on certain parts of posts over others, yes. The standout parts of a post that make someone look scummier or townier, or the most relevant parts. I completely missed your questions party because they didn't stand out and I don't know if I even realized they were directed at me.

Regardless, your argument is incredibly stupid, and I don't see how anyone could agree with it. Which is good because nobody seems to be doing so, so I'm assuming they see its weakness as well.

[Parama]

I either didn't see them or didn't realize they were directed at me. I don't remember which.

[Parama]

Timeater if you could post actual content once in a while that would be great, thanks.

[Parama]

Lookee that. Two scum reads and an idiot put me on their suspicions list. I'm amused to say the least.

[Parama]

Also this should be obvious by now

1. foilist
2. nhammen
3. SSBF

if you couldn't guess yourself

[Parama]

Hey Nacho and Nikanor don't bother reading the thread just vote foilist and everything will be OK. There's not much worth reading anyways.

[Parama]

Foilist is a good vote.
Now are you willing, LMP? Are you sure you're not the mafia among the monk group who has decided to use his semi-clear status to defend a buddy?

[Parama]

Bwahah keep up the misrep SSBF. I'm lovin' it, only makes you more obvious.

[Parama]

Top 3 Suspects

1) Parama
2) Leafsnail
3) The lurkers.

Are you some kinda scummy idiot?
Top 2 scumlist: The two people pushing a foilist case
Then you're too lazy to even come up with a third. *headdesk*

1. Foilist (for now)
2. Nhammen

So if foilist gets lynched you're happy to lynch nhammen? That's just blatently lining up your lynches.

Nikanor-fail alert!
We're all posting our top 3 scumspects. It's not a request, it's an order. But obviously you don't mind reaching for reasons even before reading the thread. <____<

SORRY LEAFSNAIL I COMMENTED ON FOILIST'S LIST WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?

[Parama]

...
I don't know whether to be amused or offended.

[Parama]

Vezo, that is retarded. Stop following a claimed roleblock that may have absolutely nothing to do with the lack of a kill.

Mod: I'm going to be V/LA from 6/6 to 6/9.

[Parama]

GUYS
IF WE LYNCH FOILIST, GOOD THINGS WILL HAPPEN

[Parama]

Nhammen claims roleblocker with roleblock on SGR (Socrates). Nhammen was also scummy enough D1 that he got pushed to a claim.

SGR was also rather scummy D1. Some idiots believe that Nhammen's roleblock coupled with only a single NK means that the person blocked MUST BE MAFIA ZOMG when this isn't true at all.

Also please consider a foilist vote because he's far and away the scummiest player here and I've spelled out why several times though he continues to say that "my case is crap" without being able to disprove it.

[Parama]

SSBF's whole eagerly jumping with SC's

1337

remark about wanting a pro-town group just seems like scum trying to buddy town (or in SC's case maybe other scum group).

This is the best sentence ever. That 1337 was so unintentional yet it could be taken either way.

Okay screw my earlier read on SSBF he's probably town although he's playing incredibly stupidly. *sigh*

OH HEY SPYREX WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS REPLACING INTO BAD LARGE NORMALS (see: Mafia 112) AND ARE YOU GOING TO WIN THIS GAME FOR US LIKE USUAL?

WELP BACK TO NOT BEING HERE I MUST BE GOING. BYE.

[Parama]

SpyreX wins the thread d(''d)

Anyways, tbh I'd rather see any of the other 3 dead before MS. Just my opinion but I still don't really see the MS case while the other 3 I see or have added to (or in the case of nhammen started)

[Parama]

Parama needs to be on the must-die list but the rest is fine with me.

This is why you're a brick wall.

[Parama]

Parama needs to be on the must-die list but the rest is fine with me.

This is why you're a brick wall.

Posting for the sake of posting is uncool.

But I'm not posting for the sake of posting.

I'm posting for the sake of telling you why you're absolutely wrong.

[Parama]

LOLwell is all I can say.

ALSO.
Guys, we are lynching out of
{Midnight's Sorrow, Shrinehime, Timeeater, Nhammen} today. Stop playing Lynch all Lurkers and DO SOMETHING FFS.

Also Pome is almost certainly scum, just sayin' just sayin'. Not liking any of her recent posts (wasn't paying attention to earlier ones but now I'm interested.)

I am convinced.

Vote: Dr. Robotnik

.

Is this REALLY all you have to say on the matter?

[Parama]

unvote, vote: Shrinehme

[Parama]

I love early claims.

[/sarcasm]

[Parama]

Mod: V/LA 6/13-6/14

[Parama]

CryMeARiver will be stalking me in all my games.

[Parama]

There's really no point in reading this thread, just give us your vote for now and catch up overnight.

CMAR does need to read the thread though.

[Parama]

Oh boy is it time for blood?

[Parama]

Oh god, this game.

Mod: requesting massprod

Mod: requesting shorter deadlines permanently starting today

[Parama]

This is a bad post then But I've already voted.

[Parama]

Woo, forums are back. Parama and Spyrex are looking nicely scummy for the whole "hurry up and vote" stuff.

*headdesk*

There's not a damn thing happening in this game right now. We need to lynch. Anyone who doesn't see this is a brick wall.
Fortunately, you're a brick wall anyways.
Are you voting Shrine yet? If not, do it. NOW.
*checks*
You're not. *sigh*

[Parama]

Totally behind the Mod's decision on deadline.

Now, can Parama and Unsight each explain to me why they have no votes on them atm?

BM

Because I'm town and Unsight is a town brick wall.
Also because here's my scumlist:
* foilist13
* nhammen
* Pomegranate
* Shrinehme
* Battle Mage

Which you happen to be on.

[Parama]

Timeater was on my scumlist, only makes sense for you to be on it too. It's not a threat

Shrine is scum though, just because a lot of people agree doesn't mean he can't be scum <.<

[Parama]

It's because I never found Unsight scummy, just really dumb.

[Parama]

L-2.

CLAIMTIME.

[Parama]

The title even says it's in the New York forum.... <_<

[Parama]

Ooooh, sign me up!

[Parama]

He's probably playing the "blatantly obvious defense of scumbuddy so that he looks like confused townie after flip" game

[Parama]

What if... HIS SCUMBUDDIES HAVE ALREADY BUSSED HIM? *headdesk*
He probably only has 2 of them, and 2 people out of a 10 person wagon.... yeah it's pretty likely that any scumbuddies he has have already bussed him.

Your theory ----> down the drain.

@Faraday, he replaced the one who eats Tim.

[Parama]

BECAUSE SOME IDIOT DOESN'T WANT TO VOTE SHRINE AND LET SPYREX HAMMERINATE HIM

[Parama]

I "-inate" lots.
When I'm a cop, I

Coppinate

people.
When I'm a tracker, I

Trackinate

people.
When I'm some killing role, I

Make-Deadinate

people.

[Parama]

Leaf, I wanted to lynch foilist for a really long time but nobody joined in on the fun
I hope tomorrow we can lynch him up.

[Parama]

Um, MS, Unsight is dumbtown, not smartscum. And your theory is total crap.

3 kills is shocking especially considering our N1 with only a single kill.
Even a doctor doesn't explain the lack of two kills. I take back what I said about nhammen's roleblock N1 - he may just have hit scum with it by sheer luck. I didn't expect 3 kills last night, to say the least.
So this seems kinda silly, going against my reads and all but

vote: Socrates

. If you want to claim any of last night's kills then go for it, otherwise I'm going to assume you were indeed roleblocked scum.

[Parama]

Not saying that. I'm saying your vote is stupid.

[Parama]

Well for starters there were 10 people off the wagon and they can't all be scum
Plus Unsight hasn't done that many scummy things, though he's wrong on many many things.

[Parama]

Well, frankly I'm not interested in anybody who was off the wagon right now.
Scum (no order):
Pome
Socrates
foilist
BM

All of which happen to have been on the wagon

[Parama]

*note: I don't have a particularly scummy read on Socrates but he's there because of nhammen's roleblock which, after last night, seems much more likely to have hit scum than I'd have thought yesterday.

[Parama]

OMG you guys are idiots.

vote socrates

Seriously. WTF. One person dies when PRO-TOWN ROLEBLOCKER blocks someone. Next night, three die. What do you need?

I need to agree with this sentiment.

[Parama]

...anybody going to counterclaim that shot?

'm gonna continue pushing the non-stupid wagons of Day 2--Midnight's Sorrow and Socrates.

VOTE: Midnight's Sorrow

Vote Socrates then

[Parama]

I'm voting for Unsight because he's voting for MS over Socrates, when there was concrete evidence to suggest that Socrates was scum over MS. Whether Socrates is scum or not, that's just scummy.

Hmm. While I agree with this, then by your logic shouldn't you be voting Socrates? You're doing the same thing you're accusing Unsight of. Like you yourself said, there's concrete evidence that Socrates is likely scum, so uh why aren't you voting him?

[Parama]

Hmm. While I agree with this, then by your logic shouldn't you be voting Socrates? You're doing the same thing you're accusing Unsight of. Like you yourself said, there's concrete evidence that Socrates is likely scum, so uh why aren't you voting him?

No, I'm not. The evidence against Socrates is no longer concrete with Nacho's claim. It is now circumstantial evidence. I'm saying that the evidence before WAS concrete, and that Unsight is scummy for not following that evidence.

...
Holy crap. I think I get it. Unsight KNEW the evidence was fake and so he didn't join the Socrates wagon. The only ones who would KNOW for certain than Socrates wasn't scum would be the scumteam that was blocked N1. Am I getting it right?

unvote

God, now I don't know what to think.

[Parama]

That theory hinges on my now ignoring "evidence" that you and Nikanor are now trying strongly paint as "circumstantial" and "fake." I've been suspicious of Socrates since I ISO'd his slot's previous player (SGR) on Day 2 in response to a comment made by Faraday. It wasn't nhammen's dubious Day 2 claim of a roleblock that made me suspicious of the slot in the first place but now nhammen's town flip proving his roleblock claim is the nail in his coffin as far as I'm concerned.

UNVOTE: Midnight's Sorrow
VOTE: Socrates

Unsight, the roleblock was confirmed as soon as day started. If that was the nail in the coffin, you should've voted Socrates immediately. And you didn't. When evidence came to light that lessened Socrates' chance of being roleblocked scum, though, you switch to him immediately? After being called out for not voting him? Unsight just snapped under pressure methinks.

vote: Unsight

Hey foilist, if evidence has been brought to light the severely lessens the chance of Socrates being scum, why did you continue to vote him? And why didn't you vote him in your post earlier?

[Parama]

I explained before the part of my post you quoted and after the part of my post you quoted. You selectively left those out. Why is that?

I was responding to the part of your post aimed towards me. The parts I didn't quote that you point out here were not parts of your post directed specifically at me. So that's your fault.

[Parama]

Okay so:
foilist
Unsight
Pome

are a scumteam IMO
Make perfect sense IMO, someone pointed out the foilist/Unsight link
And fun times from ISOs:

I can see what you're saying about pomegranate, but is that really the best lynch for today?

RE: Pomegranite: Only time's I've played with pomegranite she completely ignored D1, and tended to lurk D2. This is a common pattern with her, which unfortunately means we have no content or meta leaning either way. This is distinctly anti-town, but not necessarily scummy.

(lolmeta)
Unsight pushed a little on foilist too but it seemed halfhearted in comparison to his usual style of pushing a case - and Unsight has stopped mentioning Pome since his late D2 vote.

Hey look they're all linked and they're all scummy separately

[Parama]

He is <_<

[Parama]

Lynch unsight or foilist for god sake.
They are clearly on the same team.

Vezo gets it d(''d)
Since this is 110% true

[Parama]

Unsight: MS is less scummy than several others, and I don't know the case too well anymore but I remember it being weaker than my case on foilist or the case on SevShrine. So sure I may be defending him, and if he flips scum I'll probably take the fall for it, but tbh there's scummier people in this game.
Foilist: No.
Hey guys, Foilist is trying to get the Unsight voters to join the Socrates wagon. Scumbuddy of Unsight, so very obvious.

[Parama]

Urgh, I don't approve of this wagon.
Regardless, L-2 so Socrates should claim.

[Parama]

ITT we fail at scumhunting.
I don't even feel like posting anymore. This is just stupid.

[Parama]

If you think I'm scum by association then you should be voting Lowell instead <.<

[Parama]

Um, yes, you said I was scum with Lowell, and you declared Lowell scum. You never explicitly stated it but it was heavily implied. So <_<

I don't feel like dealing with BM's nonsense right now. BM, if you'd like to tell me why you think I'm scum I'll gladly disprove your theories and cases. Otherwise I'm going to ignore you.

[Parama]

Oh god MS. You started the Unsight wagon and you're copping out now that it looks like an Unsight lynch isn't going to happen? And blatantly bandwagoning on the the biggest one? *sigh*

FoS: Midnight's Sorrow

because some things are unexcusable.
Unsight is still the best wagon BTW. foilist-Unsight-Pome scumteam, remember.

[Parama]

Unishgt basically linked why he needs to be lynched. Hell, my post is all there needs to be said.

And I was never buddying you.

[Parama]

This game is stalling and needs a lynch, but I still think we're heading in the wrong direction with this one. I'll gladly take the fall if I'm wrong, because I don't think Socrates is scum. Unsight, foilist, and Pome are all most definitely scum. I'll work on finding the rest of BM's team once we have some flips.

[Parama]

To be honest I don't have a particularly scummy read on SC, but I will say that he should have replaced out of this game instead of taking a 2-3 week V/LA.

Dry-fit is in this game? 0_o
His most recent 3 posts seem like trying to avoid prods.
Leafsnail is probtown. CMAR is prob retarded but I dunno if he's scum because of it. MS could be scum, but it's less likely than the power-trio. And yup the Pome-Unsight-foilist team is almost certainly correct (MY theory <.<)

[Parama]

UNSIGHT THEN FOILIST THEN POME
^THE BEST PLAN - WE'LL LYNCH SCUM 3 DAYS IN A ROW
Anyone voting foilist please switch to Unsight - he's a better lynch right now. Foilist is a good lynch too but Unsight needs to happen first. Then we can kill foilist d(''d)

Yes I'm lining up lynches, but when all the lynches are on scum, who can complain?

[Parama]

Leafsnail you missed this post then

[Parama]

Actually I started the foilist wagon D1 so if anyone needs to be taking the credit hi I'm right here

[Parama]

okay there's no Unsight wagon anymore and a bigger foilist one, so *hops*

unvote, vote: foilist

[Parama]

Socrates

never

.

Foilist

right now

.

fixed

Seriously Pome you can't put it off, your buddies are going to be lynched and you're going to be lynched as well. Order is irrelevant - in fact if you want to volunteer to be first, go for it d(''d). I wouldn't mind!

[Parama]

thumbs up ofc

[Parama]

1. I missed the question
2. I've already answered it

[Parama]

Pome, that's just the links between you and foilist/Unsight. You're scummy enough without them, something else I've already pointed out. And you know I can read you just fine.

[Parama]

1. That's irrelevant, but SWN:II for starters
2. I'm talking about, I can tell when you're town. PYPIII for instance when everyone called you scum and I said "no Pome's town" and then you were town. You're not town this game, that's obvious enough.

But now you're trying to turn my case into a meta argument, which it's not.

[Parama]

1. I had a town read on you D1. Again, irrelevant
2. Less effort, more active lurking
3. I didn't actually bring up meta, I just said I could read you, and then you turned this into a worthless meta argument

[Parama]

Leafsnail you missed this post then

You can repeat that post as much as you like but you're still wrong and you're still scum for your association with Midnight's Sorrow which I explain here:

You haven't proved me wrong, and let me dissect your supposed scumlinks for you to show why you're reaching and misrepping.

On Day 2, I've believed for a while now that Midnight's Sorrow is scum from his own scummy play as well as the interactions between him and Parama. So far Parama has taken a couple opportunities to list Midnight's Sorrow as a suspect

That's SpyreX's list of people to lynch from. I was just following it.

yet refused to say why

Invalid because I never listed him as a suspect.

not see understand the case on someone he himself suspects

Again invalid, because you're making lazy assumptions and not realizing that that wasn't my scumlist though it shared some similar suspects.

and apparently really didn't like my vote

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Unsight you missed this post then

Unfortunately for Parama, his attempts to buddy with me have and continue to fail

Wow, that's not buddying at all.
All three can be explained by the fact that I found your play stupid and anti-town but not especially scummy. Just really, really dumb. How does that make it buddying? It's actually somewhat insulting towards you <.< And I'm not going to take the "dumb" part back even though I've taken back the "town" part.

--which is why Parama is now on my wagon after 2 full days of calling me things like a "brick wall" and "dumb town."

Haha.

Unsight you missed this post then

The extent of Parama and Midnight's Sorrow's interaction is a love/hate scumbuddy relationship where Parama wants to look good if the wagon happens, but not actually push the wagon himself.

I do not approve of a MS wagon at this point. If it happens I'm staying off it.

So uh, yeah. Die scum etc. your supposed scumlinks are all wrong stop misrepping etc.

[Parama]

SSBF you missed this post then

[Parama]

'tis lynchable tbh

[Parama]

Do you want me to have no faith in my reads at all then?

[Parama]

@Parama: I think you need to put a whole lot more thought into them than you have previously, and I expect everyone else not to put any faith in them at least for the time being.

Okay, now I've got some pretty awesome reasoning for voting you.
1. My original case
2. Nikanor's case
3. What you just did-
That being, attack me and my credibility directly instead of my arguments as soon as I switch from Unsight to you. You were perfectly happy leaving me alone when I wasn't a threat to you, but now that I've shifted you've freaked out. I don't even care what your response to this post is, nothing is going to convince me you're town.
And why shouldn't people put faith in my reads? Considering I was the one who got the Socrates train going, and considering that the Unsight-foilist-Pome team makes more sense than any other logic presented thus far in mafia 114, why are you telling people to ignore my posts? There's no pro-town motive for that.

[Parama]

ITT foilist misreps me.
My suspicions aren't random and they're quite well-founded, thank you.

[Parama]

I'm not exactly convinced he's 100% town, but I think he's more likely town than the trio of scum I've caught.

[Parama]

Do it.
I'm not using the Socrates thing as a defense. I think the Socrates wagon sucks now, especially the company on it.

[Parama]

Unsight, foilist, and Pome are scum together.
^all you need to know

[Parama]

We're lynching Socrates today, in case you were wondering. By the way.

No, we're not. A third mislynch in a row would pretty much kill the town, and I'd kinda like to win. You can keep pushing it if you want, since you're scum anyways and the more you push the more obvious you are, but Socrates should not be today's lynch, or a lynch at all.

[Parama]

We can lynch Pome on D3, D4, or D5, as long as if Pome isn't a lynch on any of those days then either foilist or Unsight is.

[Parama]

Yes, because it means we lynch 3 scum in a row. Why wouldn't that be good?

[Parama]

Pome, he stated who it was directed to at the start of the post.
So that's quite the overreaction to a post that isn't relevant to you. More scumminess please.

[Parama]

Socrates is not dead?

Kill him nowwwwwww.

Weren't you the one who said not to lynch Socrates and lynch Unsight instead?

You going for the "Scummiest Confirmed Townie" award?

[Parama]

Fair enough. It's not really a real issue anyways, since there's no way you're getting lynched now.