NY 114: Mafia vs. Werewolves (Game Over)

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/confirm

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Pre-game arguments are useful for revealing alignment. Ever had a scum role before SSBF?

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Also, hai Parama, Leafsnail, and Unsight.

Who's left to confirm? the OP looks out of date in so far as confirmations.

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And special Hai to Pom, who managed to vig our insider in the uber alliance of 112.

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^Fluff

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How often are you going to be making this fully ranked list?

It's not a good idea for the Scum to know who the town find to be town, as that narrows down the number of people to NK, as opposed to push a mislynch on.

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heh, cross-posted with both of you.

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Don't give more than the bottom 6 at any given time, please.

qft

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Your new avatar: I don't understand what it's meant to represent. Clue me in.

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1) 4 games on here, none elsewhere.
2) Not really, but i pick up theory fast.
3) No
4) No

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LMP: with a name like that...

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^First double post of D1

Vote:SSBF

And the first scum gets targeted.

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It sounds like: If you quick hammer me, There's a high chance of me being town.

Lets flip that coin for a sec: If you leave me for later, there's a lower chance of me being Town...

Recruit-able Traitor?
Either that, or he's spouting garbage.

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@Vi: Check my Sig. 'nuff said.

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Several pages overnight makes for annoying catchup. But it looks like we have some content finally.

@LS: I was asleep, so no I couldn't give a reply between 'waiting for chrono' and 'chrono can wait'.

One quick point: what the hell is Daniel doing with the Rolefishing, and accusations of rolefishing at himself?

bbl.

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I agree with

Jimbob

askbob on Seraphim's outing the entire mason group. Worst. Play. Ever. (exaggeration. maybe.)

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The anti -mafia -werewolf roles were to be randomly distributed between town and opposing faction. So a mason could also be a cop.

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Daniel did defend Vez (for terribad play) against askbob fairly early on. I can see that they'd be linked. Actually, Daniel was defending Vez alot.

Then there's this:

@daniel: Your last post looked really bad. Why did you made a bigger size and bold? And you know how I got that information.

As in, Vez is admitting that He and Daniel are in someway linked, have Night talk, and that Vez declared this info to his mason buddies.


Seraphim was the only one of the masons to not drop

Massive

hints.

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Although these posts are out of character:

I have somewhat of an inside source and

I can tell you that lynchmepls is in the mafia but he's not werewolf.

And no I don't know this cause I'm scum.

unvote:vi
Vote:Lynchmepls

No I'm not some kind of cop.

Also I'm not sure but at least of daniel or seraphim should be a werewolf

.

To me your making this up but if anyone is it must be seraphim because I'm not.

(the red was originally size 24, rather than coloured, but I dislike overlarge text.)

How would vez know that LMP is Mafia but not werewolf (they're different anyway), but not be a cop. Also, the unnecessary "I don't know this cause I'm scum" is an unnecessary, terribad justification.

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@Vi: The unpressured Mason, Saying, 'Hey guys, we are the mason group, but I have no idea why my buddies are hurling around baseless accusations. See me get NK'd tonight, while my VI buddies generate noise, to be picked off at leisure."

obv. paraphrase.

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As for the second part, I'm mixing up games now, another game I've signed up for has Dual scum (ww + mafia) groups too.

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I have no idea why the Masons are voting each other...

There is a chance of one of them being a werewolf, doesn't mean that one of them

is

a werewolf.

Either all three are masons, or all three are scum. whether one is a mason

and

scum is a separate matter.

If all three are scum, then their play is worse than useless, as they'd outed their whole scum group. OTOH if all three are scum, nd we lynch one (or one is NK'd) we might be more inclined to treat the others as confirmed, when they are in fact, scum.

If all three are masons (if one weren't the others would have said so), one could still be a werewolf. This doesn't mean one is a werewolf. however, if we were to lynch a mason, I'd probably pick

Daniel

over Vez, over Seraphim, for the rope. But I don't think that Masons are the best Lynch today.

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We're all slipping between games

I'm confusing some of my Mafia + werewolf games, one of which

Has

anti-scum roles being assigned to the other scum faction or town.

But I don't see where SC is getting his to slip from...

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@LMP: what's this info you've hinted at? Cop innocent on Vez?

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You know what, I think the town is losing a lot of focus by the massive cluster **** that Vezo has caused. I'd like to share my info with the town, since I've hinted at it, but others don't seem to pick up on it. If the town would like me to completely clear this whole mess up, I'm willing to do so. If people think I should be quiet I will.

Above all else, as much as it pains me to say it, vezo is not scum. Any lynch of Vezo is a guaranteed mislynch.

After all, if the mafia picked up on this, you'd probably die this night anyway. therefore, spill.

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Wait, what?

Oh wait. We had extended pre-game talk, not N0. My bad. Then why is Vez a guaranteed mislynch, if you have no results?

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I agree with Parama and SC here.

unvote, Vote: Nhammen

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And LMP said that they had been dropping hints, and wanted someone to ask, so I did. Just because I speculated what form they might take at the same time...

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The fact that I'm online is worrisome? and agree with the points I would have made myself, had I been on earlier.

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@Vi: The rolefishing accusation?

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You know what, I think the town is losing a lot of focus by the massive cluster **** that Vezo has caused.

I'd like to share my info with the town, since I've hinted at it

, but others don't seem to pick up on it.

If the town would like me to completely clear this whole mess up, I'm willing to do so. If people think I should be quiet I will.

Above all else, as much as it pains me to say it,

vezo is not scum

. Any lynch of

Vezo is a guaranteed mislynch.

We know that LMP is not a Mason. Therefore LMP has some inside info.

@LMP: what's this info you've

hinted

at?

Cop innocent on Vez?

Rolefishing accusations started because of the above, which was speculation. ofc I was reminded that this game wasn't one with an N0.

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LMP said that they had been dropping hints, and wanted someone to ask, so I did. Just because I speculated what form they might take at the same time...

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-.-

I was speculating on what form the info, that LMP claimed to have, clearing Vez, was in.

It's obviously not common knowledge, and LMP isn't a mason, therefore I was curious.
That my speculation of 'Maybe a cop innocent' can be interpreted as rolefishing, I do not deny.

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My Voting nhammen was based on the fact that his post was lacking in actual content, for a post so long.
Additionally, that several other people picked up on it, picked it apart, and voted for him, doesn't diminish the fact that I whole-heartedly agree with the points made, and agree that nhammen needs moar votes.

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A roleblocker is not a useful town role. Due to being uninformed, there is a much higher potential of missing a Block, or even Hitting something useful (Such as a cop).

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Comprehension Fail.

A roleblocker is a useless role for a townie to have, therefore, I doubt that it's a town role.

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Also @Askbob, Midnight: cross game confusion is fun.

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The 'mason could be a cop', was x-game confusion. In another game (Ongoing - started about the same time), The anti-scum roles were distributed between the town, and the opposing scum faction, randomly, after the basics (i.e mason) were already assigned, therefore, in that game, a mason can be a cop.

The 'mason could be a werewolf' is based on the fact that masons are confirmed non-mafia, but not confirmed non-werewolf.

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FYI LS: You're wrong about me in this game too.

Unvote, Vote: Foilist

I'm unsure on which bit you'd like me to comment on Vi.
TBH, maybe having ~10 ongoing games is a bit much, divided resources and what not.

Vi looks town to me, LS looks like (misguided) town, Vez is confirmed town (in my eyes), the others masons (Dan, Seraphim), and LMP-monk are mostly confirmed town.

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It's 11 ongoing, (10 alive) atm. was 11 alive until last night. Was coping well with them for a while.

Because Foilist looks fairly scummy on a quick-ish reread. Dislike Sevis too. (For all that I sound like a parrot). Nhammen is still on my scumlist.

Askbob has disappeared, as have Pman, pom, seraphim, goat, and others.

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Parama: I'm a brick wall on your side.

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It sounds like lowell is admitting scum, and trying to drag Vez (the Mason/Monk), with them.

ofc considering that Masons =/= Mafia, Monks =/= Werewolves, and Vez = Mason + Monk, therefore vez =/= Mafia or Werewolf. Vez isn't a good target for this.

We can lynch Lowell to verify whether or not He's scum, doesn't mean anything about Vez, the closest thing to confirmed...

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Difference is that Lowell claimed scum.

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It's called having a town read. That and seeing where Parama's points are coming from, in a 'I could see those points being made as town' perspective, and agreeing with them.

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@Chronopie: So Lowell is your top suspect?

Lowell claimed scum. I'm wary of scum-claims (Bad experience, <ongoing reference>). Doesn't make it a town move.

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Claim: 'nilla town.

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If the Chronopie lynch gets rid of a giant obstacle for everyone else (more so the Townies than the scum), there's little sense in complaining tbh.

If this is your opinion, why don't/haven't you vote(d) me?

Anyway, as a 'nilla, I have no problem with dying, as long as the town has a net gain in information. look to those who pushed for little/no reason.

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I'll make this easier for you.

Raising the Hammer myself. k. Anything else anyone wants to say?

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If we get another VC anytime soon, then I'll run a wagon analysis on my wagon.

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Post on my wagon coming soon.

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Chronopie (11):

Unsight, Leafsnail, Dry-fit, foilist13, Super Smash Bros. Fan, vezopiraka, LynchMePls, SerialClergyman, Parama, nhammen, Pomegranate

Unsight

Votes me for saying that a cop could also be a mason (note: This was after I confused a couple of concurrently running werewolf + mafia games), Later mentions that he's happy with the vote based on my mentioning the

Fact

that a Mason can also be a werewolf, paired with my fail xgame-reference. Believes me to be a ww at that point.

Leafsnail

Picks me out as scum for little/no reason, doesn't mention me for a while, votes for askbob, re-votes me in the next post, for me voting nhammen. appears to not accept anything other than chrono is scum, for an answer. Impressively manages look at other people while continuing to baselessly call me scum.

Dry-Fit

Votes me for disbelieving that a roleblocker is a town role. little voicing of suspicion apart from that.

Foilist

Actually posts an analysis of my play, takes my semi-sarcastic post on 'If you flip the coin' to be a genuine flawed contribution. Follows by non-specific accusations of rolefishing and crap-poosting. and a lack of scum-hunting, because I've been on the defensive. Continues to call my defensive attempts active lurking. Actually a reasoned vote, overall, if misguided.

SSBF

Actually accuses me of fluff posting, role-fishing, and question dodging. but ranks me 3rd behind Dr. Robonik and Nhammen at that point. Votes me several post later, basically calling me useless.

Vez

we have this gem:

Great. Maybe we get chronopie lynched and I could actually do some scumhunting in this game.

Unvote;Vote Chronopie

Oh. And don't worry about my many votes and unvotes. It's my usual playstyle both as scum and as town.

No reasons, no accusations, questions, or scumhunting to speak of. Jumps on just when my wagons starts looking popular. If Vez weren't double confirmed, would make my scum list. Playing worse than I am.

LMP

Votes me for coming to the mistaken conclusion that LMP is a cop, because I had the impression that he had some clearing info on Vez-mason (also monk). Later votes nhammen. Hops back on my wagon in his very last post before his V/LA:

I agree with Faraday, this

day is lasting WAY to long

. I think CP is scum.

He has a big wagon

, and I support his lynch.

Shameless wagon voting, just to end the day.

SerialClergyman

Woot, wagon on someone scummy.

True to my word: unvote, vote Chronopie

need I post more? :!:

Parama

No reason on his latest vote, just a vote, and begging to string up nhammen next. little suspicion voiced beforehand.

Nhammen

Says very little on me, afaict votes me 'cos everyone else is. i.e. wagon vote.

Pom

Votes just to put me back at L-1, absolutely no content to speak of, related to me. no accusations, almost no mention. can you say 'wagon' :!:

Midnight's sorrow

I am happy with one as well.~

Wagon vote. OTOH, my self hammer gambit did cause him to unvote long enough for me to write all this.[/quote]

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Based on this.

Unvote, vote: Pom

FoS: SC, LMP, Parama, and Nhammen

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If I haven't been hammered already...

Unvote, Vote:Chronopie

@Leafsnail: I fell that you are town, if misguided, thus no FoS.

@Vez: you read my saying in the wall that unsight called me ww. therefore why is it my slip? it would be more likely to be an unsight-mafia slip.

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I told you I would. but as I count, it was OTT anyway (L+1)

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Well that a townie hammered himself to stop the town wifoming itself into ignoring the info, and taking another 2 weeks to probably hammer me anyway, is a good thing. ofc it was probably ott anyway, unless I missed someone else's unvote.

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Yes I was past dead by the time of self voting. I was either the L+1 or L+2 vote.

SSBF is whatever scum faction that Chrono isn't IMO.

But I thought there were two factions.

oigetit SSBF is a mafia-werewolf, to counter vez being a mason-monk. /sarcasm

@Mod: Lynch scene please.

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I wish I were a jester, would fit my play.

I alternate claim 6-shot BP, lynchproof, Unlimited Daykilling SK.

Daykill: EVERYONE, and MSH twice

jk

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Lynch proof was part of the Crapclaim.