Mini 934 - Troubles at Smiths&Catharts (Game Over!)

[Col.Cathart]

Votecount 3.6

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Let me know, if I made any mistakes.

Pie_is_good (4):

charter, MichelSableheart, Copper, Saint Kerrigan

(warning: L-1)

SaintKerrigan (2): Pie_is_good, Cyberbob

not voting (2): Thor665, Socrates


The deadline is:

Thursday, May 6th at 7:30 PM GMT +1
Countdown

Deadline in 23 hours.

Looking for replacement for Socrates

[MichelSableheart]

I really hope you're not planning to wait for the replacement to catch up, thor. I don't want to wait another week with not much happening, when it is highly unlikely that waiting will change anything. I believe it's better for the playability of the game as a whole if you hammer, and hear the replacements comments tomorrow.

@Cyberbob: I'm a bit surprised to hear that your vote for SK is genuine, actually. If I look at the post where you vote him, I see you arguing how SK's behaviour would make sense if he were scum (SK scum -> actions), but as far as I can see, you fail to argue why SK is actually more likely scum then town (actions -> SK scum).

[Thor665]

I will admit since we are now in a replacement looking stage at roughly a day out I don't see anything useful coming from the slot this phase. I'm content to hammer.

@Michel - do you want Cyberbob to respond to your question this phase? If so, say so and I'll await his response prior to hammer, if not, I'll hammer. I'm certainly around enough that I should be comfortably on top of it one way or the other.

[Col.Cathart]

REJOICE! Goddess of fast replacements has her mercy on us.

Steam-Powered Shovel replaces Socrates. Thanks SPS!

[Cyberbob]

@Cyberbob: I'm a bit surprised to hear that your vote for SK is genuine, actually. If I look at the post where you vote him, I see you arguing how SK's behaviour would make sense if he were scum (SK scum -> actions), but as far as I can see, you fail to argue why SK is actually more likely scum then town (actions -> SK scum).

His actions make sense if he was scum (more sense than if he was town), therefore he is more likely to be scum than town. One follows from the other.

[MichelSableheart]

Then it seems we are simply in a very serious disagreement.

Thor, I don't have anything to say anymore for today. Feel free to hammer.

[Cyberbob]

Then it seems we are simply in a very serious disagreement.

No kidding, you'd be in the firing line if SK died and flipped scum.

[Steam-Powered Shovel]

Yarr!

I'm not sure if I'll have enough time to read the thread before deadline hits (fairly sure I won't, actually), so cases would be appreciated.

[Col.Cathart]

Votecount 3.7

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Let me know, if I made any mistakes.

Pie_is_good (4):

charter, MichelSableheart, Copper, Saint Kerrigan

(warning: L-1)

SaintKerrigan (2): Pie_is_good, Cyberbob

not voting (2): Thor665, Steam-Powered Shovel


The deadline is:

Thursday, May 6th at 7:30 PM GMT +1
Countdown

Deadline in 8 hours.

[Thor665]

No kidding, you'd be in the firing line if SK died and flipped scum.

I would like to point out that Cyberbob's scum suspect and likely partner are both of the remaining claimed PRs. 3 scum vs. 8 town and 1 gunsmith doesn't seem likely to my mind.

I'm not sure if I'll have enough time to read the thread before deadline hits (fairly sure I won't, actually), so cases would be appreciated.

I can provide cases;

Oddly enough I don't really see anyone else presenting a 'case' on Pie, so I'll go ahead and list my case against Pie which I guess is relatively close to other player's.

Cyberbob's case on SaitKerrigan.

Pie has withdrawn his own case on SK and his thoughts and reason for his current vote placement can be found here
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That all said, I'm providing most of the above to the shovel as reference reading for the Night Phase as verily it doth be mine intention to hammer in this post...with Mjolnir. The shovel would, at best, have shallow thoughts to offer or would drop the hammer itself, so it might as well be done by me now.

No whammy, no whammy....

Vote: Pie_is_good

[Col.Cathart]

Votecount 3.8 (Final)

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Let me know, if I made any mistakes.

Pie_is_good (5):

charter, MichelSableheart, Copper, Saint Kerrigan, Thor665

(LYNCH!)

SaintKerrigan (2): Pie_is_good, Cyberbob

not voting (1): Steam-Powered Shovel

The game enteres twilight phase. You can still talk until my lynch scene post.

[Col.Cathart]

Look like indecisiveness will become a trademark of Smiths&Catharts employees. Yet another day, and they still couldn't decide what to do until the very end. What was the decision this time?

...
.....
......

To eat pie?

"Yeah, why not?"

one of the workers said.

"We were so aggressive this past few days. Let's eat this pie, someone brought up here this morning. It looks delicious. We can eat it, calm down, recollect the thoughts and then find the mafia"

"Yeah, that sounds good."

Several other people replied, and soon after, everyone in the room took a slice of the pie.

-------

"My god! This

Pie_is_good

!"

One of the workers couldn't help but notice the great flavor.

"True dat. I'm enjoying it thoroughly. What's the flavor though?"

Someone asked.

"It tastes a bit like...

Vanilla

, I think"

"Yeah, definitely Vanilla..."

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Few moments later, Cathart's head appeared on the screen again. Even a single glance on his face could tell you that he was really puzzled.

"Well... Uh... Okay, that's a bit weird approach, but if you think, it will be good for us, then go ahead. Your rooms are prepared as always. I hope your decision wasn't a mistake.

Godspeed."

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I think, you should know this already, but if you still don't get the flip, here's a bonus: haiku and a short rhyme.


You lynched Pie_is_good
He was Nobody Special

Vanilla Townie

Now, you should feel sorry for lynching pie...
Kthxbye.

*Bows and awaits tomatoes thrown in his direction*

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Summary:

Pie_is_good

was lynched. He was a

Vanilla Townie

It's now Night 3. Scum may communicate again. Please send me all of your night actions until the deadline, which is:

Sunday, 09.05.2010 at 17:15 GMT +1 Countdown

[Col.Cathart]

Night 3 Ends. Sorry for a slight delay, but I had to take some sleep after my last party.

I'm sending the night action results ATM.

[Col.Cathart]

Night actions sent. Opening post in progress.

[Col.Cathart]

Despite everyone alive gathering, the conference room still looked kinda empty. Remaining people looked at each other with uneasiness. Who is to believe? Who is a traitor only waiting to shot them dead during the night. Needless to say, no one felt well rested. Not in this situation.

5 minutes after last person came, Cathart's head appeared on the screen once again.

"I have some more bad news for you.

Copper

, the

Vanilla Townie

was found with a bullet hole in his chest this morning."

CEO's sight went through the remaining workers.

"That means, we lost a half of you already. I fear, that we don't have much more time, before Bazzani will wipe us out once and for all. Please... Choose wisely today.

Godspeed..."

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Summary:

Copper -

Vanilla Townie

was killed.

Day 4 begins

. The current deadline is:

Sunday, May 23 at 8PM GMT +1 time.
Countdown

[Col.Cathart]

Votecount 4.0

With 6 players alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch.

Let me know, if I made any mistakes.

not voting (6): Thor665, Steam-Powered Shovel, charter, MichelSableheart, Saint Kerrigan, Cyberbob


The current deadline is:

Sunday, May 23 at 8PM GMT +1 time.
Countdown

[Steam-Powered Shovel]

Well, thanks, Thor. I ISO Pie, go to the university planning to ISO kthxbye and NS to get a full picturewhen I got back and then come home to find the thread closed. Also, I'm noting that you didn't mention SK's no-result on Pie nor do any of the linked posts mention it. Which is very much consistent with a Thor-SK pairing.

(For the record, Pie looked town to me at first glance, but I never got round to taking a good look at kthxbye and NS, so that may not be very significant.)

I haven't finished reading the thread yet; I'm on page 34. I hope to finish it tonight.

So far, my impressions are SK>Thor>charter=Cyberbob>MichelSableheart in order of scumminess.

[SaintKerrigan]

I tried to track Cyberbob, but oh joy, I got roleblocked. Again.

Copper was an obvious choice for a nightkill, along with Michel, so no surprise there.

Hey SPS. First of all, SK-Thor pairing? Is your only support for this reasoning the fact that Thor failed to mention my no-result of Pie in his summary to you, or is there additional reasoning? Incidentally, could you also elaborate on at least your top three suspicions?

Cyberbob, Thor, and SPS comprise my suspect list (in that order). Cyberbob for his disappearance from the Pie wagon for a crap case against me (and Michel), Thor for all the reasons I outlined yesterday, and SPS because he still has yet to prove that my previous suspicions of his slot were wrong. I still think Michel is town for the reasons stated yesterday, and Charter is probably town because I still think it's unlikely that he'd tunnel a scumbuddy to death.

With that,

Vote: Cyberbob.

(inb4 Cyberbob votes for me)

[SaintKerrigan]

Also, I'm wondering if Michel still wishes to keep his role a secret.

[Steam-Powered Shovel]

Hey SPS. First of all, SK-Thor pairing? Is your only support for this reasoning the fact that Thor failed to mention my no-result of Pie in his summary to you, or is there additional reasoning?

It's the only thing that specifically points to SK-Thor that I've noted so far. (I'll probably take a closer look at the possibility when I finish my read assuming my suspicions don't change dramatically.)

Incidentally, could you also elaborate on at least your top three suspicions?

I don't even have three suspicions currently. Cyberbob and charter are null reads. Michel is a town read. Thor seems off occasionally. I'm mostly suspicious of you over Rayfrost's supposed metabreaking.

SPS because he still has yet to prove that my previous suspicions of his slot were wrong

I didn't even know you had suspicions of my slot. Is it TCC's or Socrates' play you're suspicious of? I'll add that to the list of things to look into.

[SaintKerrigan]

I didn't even know you had suspicions of my slot. Is it TCC's or Socrates' play you're suspicious of? I'll add that to the list of things to look into.

Both. TCC because her meta didn't match her town meta plus lack of genuine scumhunting, and Socrates for basically lurking out of the game after defending himself against an attack from Fate early Day 2 (and I have seen this kind of behavior before from scum Socrates).

Do you know that we've done a massclaim? Michel is an unspecified role with a gun, I'm a Tracker with a gun (that serves to show gun to a gunsmith), and everyone else living has claimed VT.

[Thor665]

Well, thanks, Thor. I ISO Pie, go to the university planning to ISO kthxbye and NS to get a full picturewhen I got back and then come home to find the thread closed. Also, I'm noting that you didn't mention SK's no-result on Pie nor do any of the linked posts mention it. Which is very much consistent with a Thor-SK pairing.

And seeing how your first post in, with extra days to get caught up, is basically listing SK as scummiest I don't see why I did anything terrible by hammering when I did since you're even still commenting on how you haven't finished catching up. Unless you expected to vote SK and get a lynch there (Michel and Copper were openly against an SK lynch, which means you would have had to convince both charter and myself within the span of a few hours) all I did was hammer Pie a few hours before you would have or I hammered Pie a few hours before you would have come in, voted SK and I would have hammered Pie.

I find Copper as the NK target to be really odd considering we have two claimed PRs lurking. Even if the scum have a roleblocker it is really odd to choose to RB a PR, and NK a townie while leaving another PR alive. This seems especially true when you consider that, for as townie as Copper was, people seem to generally have an equally townie read on Michel.

@SK - you say there was 'no surprise' that Copper was the NK target. Yesterday you had predicted Michel as the obv. NK target. Why doesn't the Copper NK surprise you now, and why do you think scum didn't block or NK Michel?

[SaintKerrigan]

@SK - you say there was 'no surprise' that Copper was the NK target. Yesterday you had predicted Michel as the obv. NK target. Why doesn't the Copper NK surprise you now, and why do you think scum didn't block or NK Michel?

It has to do with my speculation as to what Michel's role is. Since I don't wish to give the scum any ideas they might not otherwise had thought of, I'll refrain from elaborating further on this subject for now.

[Steam-Powered Shovel]

Thor, it probably wouldn't have made a difference, but I'd still have liked to give my opinion on Pie prior to the lynch.

Also, why did you neglect to mention SK's no-result on Pie?

SK, you don't believe Socrates' 1114?

[SaintKerrigan]

@ SPS: I'm skeptical of it, considering that I have seen similar behavior when he was scum.