I don't understand why he would assume cult here.Jack wrote:I much prefer town to mafia. Although strategizing in the quicktopic is fun.
It'll be interesting to see how the non-hostile "cult" thing works out, I kinda wish I'd picked that.
Next he votes DGB for not being genuine. If he's ever played with DGB before, he knows this is genuine DGB. Whether it's scum or town DGB, I'm not sure, but it's nothing out of the ordinary.
These are the words of a man who at the very least considered being scum. I see Fishy also caught this.Jack wrote:It does seem likely to me that people who are known to love being scum would pick scum or other. The choice was far enough away from the actual game that worries about being caught out by it would be a bit distant. Most people probably just picked what the wanted to be, and figured they would use wifom to argue if they were accused of liking scum more.
What?Jack wrote:That's a deliberately bare minimum defense,Nicodemus wrote:It was included in the Pick Your Side pm I received.fos:Nico
Again, this sounds like something scum would think. In other news, I'm agreeing with Fishythefish 100% at this point.Jack wrote:No I didn't, that's not important, and that's irrelevant.Fishythefish wrote:You say Nico's defense is "minimalist". What, exactly, has he failed to defend, or how should his defense be expanded?
His defense sounded like he was worried about being too defensive. Scum points for that.
Jack wrote:Obviously, you don't "know the meaning" of my fos of nico ("I can't think of any purpose" etc). Have fun ice skating on hypocrisy lake. Vagueness is often honesty, and honesty is pro town.
I don't think I need to qualify these with an explanation of why I think they're scummy. I'll just call attention to them.Jack wrote:I think FishyTheF needs some votes too. He makes points that sound like things he often uses as town, but they don't really jive with reality and he's avoiding backing away from them.
Getting slightly out of order here, but these two look nice next to each other.
Jack wrote:@FishyTheF: because it sounds like he was worried about being too defensive. Why are you defending him before he explains it himself? Isn't that what you jumped on me for doing earlier? Also, you should check and see if your book has a new edition. Or stop using a book, and start using your gut.
At this point he pulls his vote off of Fishy and votes Gammagooey because "Somewhat scummy." He defends his lack of reasoning with "none of this bleeding from the eyeballs stuff for me, not this early in the game thanks." In his next post, "Fishy may be scum after all", so he votes him. No reasoning. He notes DGB's criticism of Troll's first post with "It's a tell I've never heard of and I don't see it. Yet I'm feeling no inclination to be suspicious of DGB." I don't understand why he wouldn't be suspicious of DGB if he doesn't see a tell in Troll's post. Troll's not likely to make newbie mistakes and neither is DGB.Jack wrote:However, you are still basing your argument on a) your "tell" about scum making pointless posts and b) disagreeing with my read of Nico's posts. Neither jive with proper tell theory.
A few posts later he explains that he's voting fishy because "I already said. Keep the fake pro town 'asking questions because debate is pro town' thing going though."
Then he votes Gammagooey again, with the case that his posts don't sound townie, he wants to know what Gamma thinks about xvart, and Gamma is choosing between xvart or Jack depending on who's more popular. After a response, he follows up with "So you have made up suspicions on two easy targets, and aren't interested in anyone else. Check." This is a well-reasoned vote and I like it.
D'oh, guess not. Turns out xvart already has reads on other players. Jack says "Sorry, can't reread." and asks xvart to quote his post. In his next post, he says "I can reread perfectly well thank you." ???
After a bunch of one-liners, and fossing LlamaFluff for "pushing a lynch a bit too heedlessly", and fossing charter and popsofctown without giving a reason, he votes me for no stated reason. When farside calls attention to the way votes piled up after DGB said to lynch me, he tells her "I was following you."
When xvart asks "Is there something I am missing in Phate's two posts that is glaringly scummy that I am missing?", he says "No, not really."
When I respond to DGB's attack on troll, he goes back to voting Gamma.
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In conclusion, right now I think he's being way too brazen about not giving reasons for his suspicions to be scum. Too casual, if that makes any sense. He seems to be a very gut-based player. I'm not used to looking at it that way (looking at posts from the viewpoint of "If I were scum, would I do this?"), but he's consistent enough with it that I'm reasonably convinced that he is. Now I'm going to look through some of his past games at his scum play and see if matches.