Mini 963: Furry Mafia (Game over!)

[Zang]

Well, I don't really have much to say but

In context, this was actually the 5th vote on Parama. He switched his RVS and, if you believe him, specifically asked his 8-ball about Parama. Then, claimed it was just an RVS vote to hide the bandwagoning. This was the post that first made me vote for him.

I agree, but this has already been pointed out.

This is his very next post. After I'm the first to vote for him and bring up any case at all, he immediately claims that he's already FoS'd me and no one else. He's still talking nonsensically to other players, and even unvotes Parama when called on the massive bandwagon trying to shove it off as a reaction test. This post solidified my vote.

I don't think he was actually FOSing but explaining the mechanics of FOSing. And I don't really understand his explaination anyway. If you FOS everybody but fugitive, you think everybody is suspicous except for fugitive. Isn't that how FOS's work?

The rest of your case is pretty good though and I agree that we will learn a lot from his lynch.

Unvote, Vote Espeonage 

Mostly to correct the count. 

Though Fugi does present a compelling case.

Is this really all you have to say?


 

 

[Parama]

Zang are you going to ever do anything substantial? All you're doing is commenting on other people's posts without providing anything original and you're not really doing any scumhunting. At all.
Why must there be so many scummy people in this game? My Espe vote isn't moving until he responds, maybe not even then if his responses suck. But srsly... FG, Espe, Zang, all need to die.

[Fate]

Fugitive please bus Espeon now.

Zang an espeon vote would go a long way with your content problem.

[InflatablePie]

My Espe vote isn't moving until he responds, maybe not even then if his responses suck. But srsly... FG, Espe, Zang, all need to die.

I can agree with this. Any of these lynches would be okay. But Espe really needs to get in here and start talking.

The FG/Fugi thing is just confusing me. @_@

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE COUNT

Antiximo (1): broomhead
Brandi (1): Zang
DocPotter (1): Antiximo
Espeonage (5): InflatablePie, DocPotter, FakeGod, Fate, Parama
FakeGod (3): Fugitive, NavyCherub, Brandi
Not voting (1): Espeonage

With

12

players alive, it takes

7

players to lynch.

[Fugitive]

Fugitive please bus Espeon now.

Zang an espeon vote would go a long way with your content problem.

I'm not lynching likely town when I have almost 100% scum.

[DocPotter]

Zang, yes I suppose it is.

I learned recently that I don't make good arguements/cases, that my most effective way of playing is to wait for the scum to out one of their number and then track the others down that way.

Which is what I plan to do.

Fugi, why is Espe likely town them.

[Fugitive]

As far as I can tell, no on has presented a compelling case on Esp. The only thing I've heard is about inconsistencies, and possibly backtracking. Inconsistencies =/= scum-tells. I mean, sometimes they do, but I'm not convinced the inconsistencies that Esp has been "caught" under are scum-tells. Being absent from posting is not a scum-tell either, which seems to have prompted a few votes on Esp. I suppose "likely town" is a bit of an exaggeration, but with someone like FG playing, I know who I prefer the lynch on.

[Antiximo]

HoS: Antixmo

sup.

[InflatablePie]

As far as I can tell, no on has presented a compelling case on Esp.

Hi.

The only thing I've heard is about inconsistencies, and possibly backtracking. Inconsistencies =/= scum-tells. I mean, sometimes they do, but I'm not convinced the inconsistencies that Esp has been "caught" under are scum-tells.

Difference between inconsistencies and backtracking. When someone gets on another's case for doing something and they instantly change their mind afterwards, that is scummy for me. This is after he says the RVS is good for the town. Also, the thing about speaking for Fate PLUS Espeon said he'd wanted a Zang lynch earlier.

Being absent from posting is not a scum-tell either, which seems to have prompted a few votes on Esp.

I agree. However, more votes won't hurt since A) I think he's scum anyways and B) more pressure in case he is actually lurking.

I suppose "likely town" is a bit of an exaggeration, but with someone like FG playing, I know who I prefer the lynch on.

What would you do if FG flipped town and Espeon flipped scum?

Too lazy to quote, cut, paste, delete, paste, etc.

[FakeGod]

Fugi, sorry but I tend not to trust people who pretends lying is part of their grand strategy, and you are not helping town any by keeping this "2-part strategy" to yourself. So until you explain how your lying will help the town find scum, I'm going to include "Fugi lies" in all my posts. And I feel justified in doing so, because I was the victim in this case.

I'm also going to guess that your "almost 100% scum" is me. haha I know a bluff when I see one. It would be more correct if you had said something like "51%" or "scummiest among the players far as I could tell" Please don't use extremes like "almost 100% scum" just to convince others that you're right, unless you really mean it.

Also, I think I'm the only one with the "inconsistency" case on Esp. Everyone else voting for Esp got their own reasons why he's scum, so instead of disagreeing with my case and ignoring others, why don't you just ask them for their reasons?

@Anti: what does HoS mean? In wiki, it just redirected to FoS.

[Fugitive]

What would you do if FG flipped town and Espeon flipped scum?

Well, then I'd be in trouble, wouldn't I?

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I'm solidified (even more so) in the fact that FG is scum now, though. My tactic was to play as scummy as possible. He caught me lying, I "argued" with him illogically, I've done about nothing right, and yet he doesn't find me suspicious. He merely finds me a townie that lies. He hasn't even FoS'd me after all of that. Don't you think a townie that I was gunning after, with all that just happened, would have at least FoS'd me?

He merely defends himself, and provides nothing useful to the town. Because he's scum, and he can't do anything but defend himself, even when the arguments against him are balls. And he provides nothing useful because he doesn't know how to scum-hunt as a scum.

FakeGod is scum and needs to be lynched now. Yes, I really mean almost 100% certainty.

There, strategy explained.
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HoS means "Hand of Suspicion." It's basically an FoS but stronger.

[InflatablePie]

Well, FG or Espeon can go today, then. The other tomorrow, maybe, depending on the flip, NK etc. etc.

FG, I called Espeon out about his chainsaw-like attitude regarding you/Brandi. You then mentioned his inconsistency, but as I built a case on other points, you began to latch on to a lot of what I've said.

Newbie town might actually be newbie scum after all.

HoS: FakeGod

- I'd vote for you now, but I believe Espeon needs pressure until he starts explaining himself.

It's been over three days since his last post apparently, so

Mods: Prod Espeonage?

(thanks).


How about for now, Fugi jumps on the Espeon wagon and in return I'll fully support the FG lynch once this scum's taken care of. Sound good to you, Fuji?

[InflatablePie]

Also, quick thought/theory: when Espeon flips scum, it's either Brandi/Fugitive or FakeGod for other scum.

If he somehow flips town, I'd say FG is still a possibility. And I'd want to look at DocPotter as well.

[FakeGod]

So that was your grand tactic?
Act scummy as possible?
See if I fos/vote you after you lied?

Ok, let me get few things straightened out.
1) I hate liars, but lying doesn't mean 100% scum in my eyes. There's no such thing that finds scum 100% of the time.

2) I never found you a townie. I checked all my posts and nowhere it states that "I think Fugi is innocent." Don't put words in my mouth. (you just lied)

3) Your logic is: FG is scum because he does nothing but defends himself.
Which is not true. (you just lied again) You and I already know my case against Esp, and why I voted. I already explained that I play by inconsistency-tell, which I think is the best tell there is. I didn't do "nothing" for the town; I just scumhunt differently than you do.

4) How can you be absolutely sure that mafia can't do anything but defend himself? and that innocent townie would have with almost 100% certainty voted/fosed the attacker when he/she is faced with illogical logic/outright lying? I don't understand how you could somehow sure about all those things, when reverse argument, when examined, works just as well. Please explain how you know for sure those statements you claimed are true.

and "almost 100% certainty"?

what a joke.

Allow me to call your bluff.
Since you're "almost 100% certainty", you wouldn't mind a life gamble, would you?
It's simple: If I get lynched and flips town, town lynches you, and you do not resist. And vice-verca for me.
According to yourself, you will win with "almost 100% certainty" in this gamble, isn't that correct?
Because if I was mafia, you have nothing to worry about at all. Just take credit for finding a scum d1 and celebrate, right?

@Pie: my case was inconsistency. You called him out because you thought his reasoning was faulty (chainsaw was mentioned). I called him out because he stayed and supported a suggestion entire game then suddenly switched over for no reason. Our cases are completely different, because to me, it doesn't matter what Esp's stance was, while your case does.

[Fugitive]

1) Ok

2) I didn't put words in your mouth. You must think I'm at least more town than scum if I'm not FoS'd or voted for, now you're putting words in my mouth. (You lied).

3) My logic was that you didn't find me scummy because you know I'm not scum. The fact that you do nothing to help the town was just a point I made. You're misconstruing my case against you.

4) Newb mafia don't usually do anything but defend themselves when they fall under suspicion.

Bluff tiemz? Sure, if you flip town, FG, they can lynch me.

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@Pie - I will not jump on an Esp wagon when I have scum.

[Espeonage]

Gah. This is what happens when you skip a day of Uni. You lose the internet.

Ok back.

1. I have had reason to make all my votes and unvotes. I havn't been wishy washy.
2. You guys were putting words in my mouth with the Zang thing. I provided the reason why I agreed to Fate's statement. Actually on that point why does Fate come out of that healthy when he started it?

btw I am liking Fugitive as town.

[Fugitive]

btw I am liking Fugitive as town.

Why?

[FakeGod]

Because it's impossible for you to read my mind, and because there's no hard evidence as in me saying "you are innocent", you cannot make the judgement that I apparently think you are more town than scum, just because I didn't FoS/Vote you. And I didn't lie because I sincerely do believe that you were indeed putting words into my mouth. Now, instead of calling me a liar, why don't you prove to me how you're not lying? (as in prove that I think you are more town than mafia)

I agree to the life gamble.

Therefore, I hold the town responsible to:
If FakeGod or Fugitive is lynched and flips town, town will lynch the remaining survivor, and the survivor will go without resistance.

/signed

Fugitive, please typed

/signed

.

[InflatablePie]

No, you said you were speaking for Fate. And said you wouldn't advocate a Zang lynch - "that was Fate's ideal". And now you're saying you were agreeing with Fate?

... I like my vote.

[Espeonage]

@Fugitive
Someone is actually building a case. I mean a real case.
So far that is the only one seeing I don't see the case on me as being a real case.

[InflatablePie]

ninja'd, that post was @Espeonage

[Espeonage]

No, you said you were speaking for Fate. And said you wouldn't advocate a Zang lynch - "that was Fate's ideal". And now you're saying you were agreeing with Fate?

... I like my vote.

I never said who i was speaking for I just stated the reason I saw. I did say that I agreed with Fate on that point and i ended up providing my explaination.

[Fugitive]

lol'd. Firstly, I'm suppose to prove that you think that I'm more town than mafia. Thanks for assigning an impossible task.

Now, second order of business. Esp is clearly my second candidate for scum now. I think he's scum, possibly even more likely than FG. BUT, we stand to gain less from his lynch, so I'd still like an FG lynch today.

Before I sign that "agreement" I'd like you to make an adjustment. If I'm lynched first and flip town, I will not hold the town to lynching you. Once that change is made I'll "sign" it.

[Fugitive]

EBWOP: That whole last post is to FG. Pie and Esp interrupted the flow.