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Post Post #550 (ISO) » Tue May 04, 2010 3:06 am

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Gayle wrote:Just checking in before I get prodded. I'll be back later today.

@Azelf: This is an open game. You can see the setup in the OP. There are no roleblockers and we are as likely to have a doctor as we are a cop. In other words, none of what you just said makes any sense.
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Post Post #551 (ISO) » Tue May 04, 2010 12:35 pm

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Wait....remind me what the case on Wdjat is. When I read through the game I found him to be a pretty pro-town player.
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Post Post #552 (ISO) » Tue May 04, 2010 2:37 pm

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Gheb wrote:I don't see the benefit for a townie to not reveal results either.

But then again I also fail to see why scum would do it.
It is a pretty stupid move no matter what side you're on, but there's still no excuse for a real cop not to reveal the results of their investigation.
Gayle wrote:Just checking in before I get prodded. I'll be back later today.

@Azelf: This is an open game. You can see the setup in the OP. There are no roleblockers and we are as likely to have a doctor as we are a cop. In other words, none of what you just said makes any sense.
Right, I forgot it was an open game, what with Little Italy and all. :T

And the chances of us having both a doctor AND a cop are statistically lower than us having one of the two, so what I said still stands.
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Post Post #553 (ISO) » Tue May 04, 2010 2:44 pm

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Hoping to see if he would react to the vote without being replaced. But I have a feeling he's flaked out. Since theres no point now that I stated that flat out,
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Regarding Lowell's cop claim, he will reveal his results, he just wants to see how people react to his target. Connections and the sort. It doesn't work if everyone already knows who he investigated.
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Post Post #554 (ISO) » Tue May 04, 2010 7:34 pm

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Who did he investigate? I have a feeling it may be me
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Post Post #555 (ISO) » Tue May 04, 2010 8:09 pm

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I guess waiting to reveal results can be considered stalling. Especially at this point of the game...
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Post Post #556 (ISO) » Wed May 05, 2010 8:42 am

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I really don't understand the problem here. Imagine I said "I investigated player X".... then what? So just go about your business telling us your suspicions.
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Post Post #557 (ISO) » Wed May 05, 2010 9:22 am

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Lowell wrote:Aight screw it. KUNK is my investigation, he's innocent.
So it would seem to reason that with a claimed cop and a confirmed town, scum would want to kill either Lowell or Kunkstar7. However, neither of them died. It seems strange to me that scum would risk a no-kill.
If Lowell is the cop, and Kunkstar7 really is confirmed, that would leave 7 possible choices for Lowell to investigate, 2 of which are scum. So there was about a 29% chance of scum being investigated last night, and it sounds like that didn't happen.
We could also have a doc, which makes more sense as far as the no-kill is concerned. If we do have a cop, I'm not sure this is the best time for them to announce themselves.

The possibilities seem to be pretty well weighted in either direction. What are other people thinking?
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Post Post #558 (ISO) » Wed May 05, 2010 9:38 am

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I would go with mass claim in most set-ups now,especially ones with many power-roles, at this stage, but given that we have no information from cc's

@lobster: Its actually 28.6%
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Post Post #559 (ISO) » Wed May 05, 2010 9:55 am

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lobstermania wrote:So there was about a 29% chance....
JacobSavage wrote:@lobster: Its actually 28.6%
Lol. I rounded correctly!
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Post Post #560 (ISO) » Wed May 05, 2010 9:58 am

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I think massclaim at this point would be a horrible idea
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Post Post #561 (ISO) » Wed May 05, 2010 9:58 am

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I disagree with the idea of massclaim (not sure what that does). But yes, if there's another cop out there I don't see the harm in claiming. It's clear to me that there's a doc, and that s/he protected me last night. I find it unlikely scum would go for me instead of kunk.
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Post Post #562 (ISO) » Wed May 05, 2010 10:42 am

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kunkstar7 wrote:Hoping to see if he would react to the vote without being replaced. But I have a feeling he's flaked out. Since theres no point now that I stated that flat out,
unvote.


Regarding Lowell's cop claim, he will reveal his results, he just wants to see how people react to his target. Connections and the sort. It doesn't work if everyone already knows who he investigated.
Nothing else the town did would make him react. Why do you think a vote would make him any more likely to do so?

Also, if that's the case, why would Lowell not be able to look at pre-existing connections and reactions? That would sound a lot like stalling.
Lowell wrote:I really don't understand the problem here. Imagine I said "I investigated player X".... then what? So just go about your business telling us your suspicions.
Telling us who was innocent and guilty can save us precious time in the day trying to scumhunt that person. Scum would want to waste the town's time.

Although I suppose you have a point, since nobody would believe you anyways.
Lowell wrote:I disagree with the idea of massclaim (not sure what that does). But yes, if there's another cop out there I don't see the harm in claiming. It's clear to me that there's a doc, and that s/he protected me last night. I find it unlikely scum would go for me instead of kunk.
If there's a doctor out there, this would be a good time to tell us who you protected.

By the way, I don't see the point in mass claiming right now. It could give away (and thus paint a giant target on the back of) town power roles on Day 3, which isn't worth finding out that everyone is a Vanilla Townie.
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Post Post #563 (ISO) » Wed May 05, 2010 8:50 pm

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Post Post #564 (ISO) » Thu May 06, 2010 1:21 am

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Just for clarification I wasn't asking for a mass claim, but I was refering to lobster

and I was making the point that normally with so many "PRs" a massclaim d3/d4 is sometime good. But in this game it would be an error to do so.
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Post Post #565 (ISO) » Thu May 06, 2010 1:21 am

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Just for clarification I wasn't asking for a mass claim, but I was refering to lobster

and I was making the point that normally with so many "PRs" a massclaim d3/d4 is sometime good.
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Post Post #566 (ISO) » Thu May 06, 2010 4:54 am

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I do think it would be nice to find any other cops there might be at this point. Between us we can probably clear most of the field, and it gives time to check out the results, preventing a scum "cop" claim later on.
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Post Post #567 (ISO) » Thu May 06, 2010 11:55 am

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Gheb wrote:
Vote Wdjat
Mind explaining why you jumped on a wagon for someone who's being replaced?
Lowell wrote:I do think it would be nice to find any other cops there might be at this point. Between us we can probably clear most of the field, and it gives time to check out the results, preventing a scum "cop" claim later on.
Since you've already claimed cop and nobody counterclaimed you, it's almost certain that there is no cop in this game. The only thing that it would do is force the doctor to either claim or lie, making it a lot easier for the scum to eliminate a town power role. I find it hard to believe that you didn't figure that out by yourself, by the way.
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Post Post #568 (ISO) » Thu May 06, 2010 7:14 pm

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COUNTER CLAIMS DONT MEAN ANYTHING IN C/9!
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Post Post #569 (ISO) » Fri May 07, 2010 3:44 am

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I'm just going to ignore az for awhile.
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Post Post #570 (ISO) » Fri May 07, 2010 6:11 am

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@Town: Our scum is the extreme lurkers. Lynch them. Like Wdjat or hewitt. We have 2 mislynches left before LyLo. I think today would be a good day to weed out a lurker. I agree with Lowell on the cop claim. If we have a second cop please claim, and we'll have them cross investigate to confirm.
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Post Post #571 (ISO) » Fri May 07, 2010 8:10 am

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Scratch the cross investigating. Its unnecessary for some reason that I thought of right after I posted that and left class. As soon as I recall it I'll add it.
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Post Post #572 (ISO) » Fri May 07, 2010 11:46 am

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JacobSavage wrote:COUNTER CLAIMS DONT MEAN ANYTHING IN C/9!
I don't think you quite understand how statistically unlikely it is that there are two cops in this game.
Lowell wrote:I'm just going to ignore az for awhile.
Because ignoring other people's points against you totally isn't scummy.
kunkstar7 wrote:Scratch the cross investigating. Its unnecessary for some reason that I thought of right after I posted that and left class. As soon as I recall it I'll add it.
So you're telling us something is unnecessary without telling us why? Although it seems to me like that method is a waste of a cop investigation AND a lynch, you really shouldn't post something if you don't have a reason for saying it.
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Post Post #573 (ISO) » Sat May 08, 2010 5:17 am

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Remembered it. Its unnecessary because if they are both scum they can just confirm each other, and that screws town.

Its just as likely for any player to be cop, as each cop chance is independent of the rest, according to the the setup.
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Post Post #574 (ISO) » Sat May 08, 2010 6:10 am

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Okay, I've been doing a lot of thinking. And I'm pretty close to placing a vote on Lowell. I'm fairly sure he's scum. I would still like to hear back from all the players in the thread (or their replacements) before I place a vote on our "claimed cop."

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