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[zoraster]

Day 1 Vote Count

charter ( 1 ) Zorblag
Cobalt ( 0 )
d3x ( 0 )
Debonair Danny DiPietro ( 0 )
DrippingGoofball ( 0 )
Ellibereth ( 0 )
farside22 ( 1 ) RedCoyote
fishythefish ( 1 ) Jack
Gammagooey ( 0 )
imaginality ( 0 )
Jack ( 1 ) Gammagooey
Jazzmyn ( 0 )
LLamaFluff ( 0 )
Nicodemus ( 1 ) Debonair Danny DiPietro
ojanen ( 0 )
Parama ( 5 ) xvart farside22 imaginality fishythefish VP Baltar
phate ( 0 )
popsofctown ( 0 )
RedCoyote ( 0 )
Shotty to the Body ( 0 )
UncertainKitten ( 0 )
VP Baltar ( 4 ) Parama UncertainKitten phate charter
xvart ( 4 ) Ellibereth LLamaFluff ojanen Nicodemus
Zorblag ( 2 ) Cobalt DrippingGoofball
Not Voting ( 4 ) d3x Jazzmyn popsofctown Shotty to the Body
Total Votes ( 24 )

Deadline: May 18th at 11:00 EDT
With 24 able to vote, 13 needed to lynch.

[DrippingGoofball]

@ Llama: What do you think of UK and Zorblag?

Wait up for my Zorblag case please.

I'm off to play badminton in a few minutes, so I don't have time right now, but it will be my priority next time I'm online.

[Fishythefish]

I’ve changed my mind about Parama. He comes off as genuine to me. I disagree with a lot of what he’s said, but I feel he believes it. I think this comes partly from the feeling that he really wants his arguments read.

- DDD’s 143 reeks:

##vote: Nicodemus

I think the Jack thing was/is a distraction from hunting scum and I'm suspicious of those who voted him bceause it seems like an easy vote for scum. I think even if Jack is a cult leader that DGB is right that Jack is an obvious target for any manner of PRs and hopefully a vig. Since Oj and Gama have actually contributed they're lower priorities leaving Nicodemus as the one who showed up, dropped a bad vote and scurried off.

This really doesn’t feel like somebody hunting for scum.
- No sign he’s compared various reasons for voting Jack.
- No sign he’s thought about the actual chances of Jack being cult leader (very slim) – more like he’s parroting DGB.
- No reasons for Jack thing being a distraction, or why it was an easy vote. Why does this apply more than to any other early game bandwagon?

xvart’s posting is thoroughly meh. A lot of extremely minor/null points, questions with really obvious answers, “you’re scum” statements at Parama, and general lack of anything useful. Llama’s assessment of grasping at straws is pretty accurate. It really doesn’t fit well with my picture of town xvart.

Fos: DDD

##vote: xvart

[Fishythefish]

@Jack: why did you change your mind about me?

[UncertainKitten]

@Nico: Llama is pretty obvtown. Xvart is pretty obvscum, but VP is as well, and someone needs to keep on VP if he's ever to be lynched.

Also lol "feels off"

Plan on at least ATTEMPTING to justify that?

[Jack]

@Jack: why did you change your mind about me?

I already said. Keep the fake pro town "asking questions because debate is pro town" thing going though.

[Fishythefish]

What? All I can see is this:

Fishy may be scum after all. I'm reading DGB's accusation of Zorblag. It's a tell I've never heard of and I don't see it. Yet I'm feeling no inclination to be suspicious of DGB for it.

##unvote
##Vote:Fishy

which doesn't give a reason that I can see.

It's totally absurd to call me scum for asking why you are voting me.

[Jack]

I'm not really big on explicit reasoning Fish. But I thought it was fairly clear. I described how I (as town) reacted to a tell I didn't know of, that I disagreed with. My reaction was overwhelmingly

not

in the direction of "DGB is scummy". So I wonder why that was your "reaction" to a tell you disagreed with, and a read you disagreed with (mine on Nico).

[Fishythefish]

Oh, I see. I probably should have got that.

Anyway, I don't find reads or tells I disagree with automatically scummy. If I can see where a player is coming from, I don't have to agree with them to believe they are being genuine. But when I simply can't see the point of view - as applies here - it feels like the case/read is a stretch. Our difference of opinion on that Nico post is not finding different things scummy - you claim to see something in his play (specifically, trying to avoid looking over defensive) which I just don't think is remotely there, and I don't see how anybody could see it there. That's why I don't think your read is genuine, and that's why I find you scummy.

[Fishythefish]

Wait. Are you saying that disagreeing with someone's case is always a bad reason to vote for them? Because that's what that argument says.

[Nicodemus]

@Nico: Llama is pretty obvtown. Xvart is pretty obvscum, but VP is as well, and someone needs to keep on VP if he's ever to be lynched.

Also lol "feels off"

Plan on at least ATTEMPTING to justify that?

Not really, no. Like I said, it was just a feeling I got, nothing concrete. I'll let you know if the feeling keeps coming back though.

[Jack]

That's weird because I see where people are coming from less than half the time. I don't worry about makes a bad case, only about "makes a bad case like I think scum do".

[UncertainKitten]

Lovely, Nico.

Wellp, hope you give me something to actually respond to in the future.

[Gammagooey]

DGB- I'll wait for the Zor case for the answer to this but why do you say he came in late? His first post was less than 12 hours after the game started and there's still people who haven't ever posted yet.

DDD and to a lesser degree DGB again-Why would you leave a cult leader alive a day and let them get a recruit before killing them instead of lynching them before they have a chance to take someone down with them? And what good will PRs be on him except finding other possible members? I don't get your logic here.

I'd still appreciate a link to a townParama game if anyone is willing to share, I keep hearing about it but I'd like to see it for myself.

I like my vote right now, but I can certainly deal with a xvart lynch.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

- No sign he’s thought about the actual chances of Jack being cult leader (very slim) – more like he’s parroting DGB.

DDD and to a lesser degree DGB again-Why would you leave a cult leader alive a day and let them get a recruit before killing them instead of lynching them before they have a chance to take someone down with them? And what good will PRs be on him except finding other possible members? I don't get your logic here.

It seems pretty freaking stupid for an actual anti-town cult leader or for scum to drive suspicion to themselves by talking about a cult leader from the word go. I don't think it's thus an unreasonable assumption to find Jack likelier to be town or at least neutral-other. Thus the people voting for him are voting a player who probably doesn't hurt the town win con under easy cover of "omg cult leader".

[Jack]

##unvote
##vote:Gammagooey

Someday, maybe you will make a townie sounding post. What do you really think about xvart? I like how you let slip that you're choosing between either wagoning me or him, depending on who is more popular.

[Gammagooey]

DDD Let's play a super awesome game.
Fill in the Blank.
Jack is town but completely ignoring questions multiple people have asked of him because ___________.

Jack- I think xvart has some damn good points against him with his attack on Parama that points out the order of his reasoning of all things and his obsession with a quicktopic that isn't even in this game.

And I like my vote on you quite a bit better than I would one on xvart based on your ignoring of questions and general voting pattern, but I sure won't be bitching if xvart gets lynched today instead.

[Jack]

So you have made up suspicions on two easy targets, and aren't interested in anyone else. Check.

[Parama]

Both xvart and VP need to die but VP needs to die first
Anyone using meta to defend me is contradicting themself

[Gammagooey]

Jack-It's pretty great that you can't even read 4 posts back to see my question to DGB about Zor or look at my first two posts to see my reads on UK Llama and Zor, it really says a lot about how much actual thinking you're putting behind your votes.

[Parama]

Anyone using meta to defend me is contradicting themself

Quick note: no time to fully explain this but you should know by now that I hate meta

[Jack]

Jack-It's pretty great that you can't even read 4 posts back to see my question to DGB about Zor or look at my first two posts to see my reads on UK Llama and Zor, it really says a lot about how much actual thinking you're putting behind your votes.

Sorry, can't reread. Maybe you could quote the post where you pursued your suspicions of someone else before your "I like my vote right now, but I can certainly deal with a xvart lynch. " post.

[Gammagooey]

Jack- As far as my suspicions are, you and xvart are where it's at. People who I'm interested in hearing more from (which is what you said I didn't have) are DGB, DDD, Zor after DGB posts her case, and VP.

I'm fully expecting you to ignore this too, but you can't reread why exactly?

[Jack]

I can reread perfectly well thank you.

So, what you said to DGB, DDD, etc is you feeling them out to see if they are scum?

[Gammagooey]

DGB- I'll wait for the Zor case for the answer to this but why do you say he came in late? His first post was less than 12 hours after the game started and there's still people who haven't ever posted yet.

DDD Let's play a super awesome game.
Fill in the Blank.
Jack is town but completely ignoring questions multiple people have asked of him because ___________.

DDD and to a lesser degree DGB again-Why would you leave a cult leader alive a day and let them get a recruit before killing them instead of lynching them before they have a chance to take someone down with them? And what good will PRs be on him except finding other possible members? I don't get your logic here.