Mini 964: Another Story - Over!

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/confirm

So, how's things? I'd just to like everyone, how much experience do you have with mafia? I've personally played about 3-4 games offsite and this is my third on-site.
Also, hey Deer, how's it going?

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One more... come one, I want to start!

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Seeing as we are about to start soon, I have some questions to ask everybody.

1. Do you prefer a faster paced game or a slower game with discussion?

2. Do you think online mafia is more a psychological game or a logic game?

3. On day 1, do you think that a random lynch is better than no lynch?

4. Do you think that WIFOM is a scumtell?

5. Do you think that OMGUS is a scumtell?

6. Would you classify your playstyle as aggresive, analytical, passive or other (if so, state what).


My answers are:
1. I prefer a slower game with more discussion, you get more data to work with.
2. I think that online mafia is a logic game, trying to piece together things which just don't fit to decide who is right and who is dead.
3. I think that on day 1, a random lynch still has a chance of catching scum, and even if it doesn't, it gives more data to work with, eliminating a person as possible scum.
4. An excess of WIFOM and solely WIFOM is a scumtell.
5. OMGUS is either a sign of newbiness or careless scum.
6. I'd classify myself as analytical.

Just so that we get to know everyone.


Good luck everyone, let's go!

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There are several advantages of RQS, including getting to know people and finding more out about others' playstyles. However, that being said:

Vote:Thief

There can be only one thief in the house...

In all seriousness, the beginning part of the game is mostly getting to know everybody and introductions.

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1. Faster. Apathy kills Town if it gets out of hand.
2. Both. Like wondering why you started the RQS.
3. Random lynch. NL is uninformative and stupid.
4. Not a catch-all.
5. Not a catch-all.
6. Wildly swingy.

@Red_Star: Why are you starting off with Random Questioning Stage? It's an absolutely pointless vehicle for starting discussion, and allows scum to contribute without fear. ANYBODY can answer these questions eloquently and look like a pro-town player.

Too bad I can't vote right now.

To let you know, RQS is a perfectly acceptable method of getting to know other people you are playing with and seeing if people slip up later. Also, what strikes me as odd is that you consider this scummy, despite the fact that it is literally the only thing we were able to do, seeing as it was pre-game. I personally RVS to have the possibility of accidently screwing over the town on occaision, but in reality there is no foolproof way to win.

@Red Star: What do you learn from my answers?

First of all, I know that you prefer a faster paced game because in a slow one people lose interest. Secondly, you like to throw around suspicions by accusing the person who asked the questions of acting scummy. Thirdly, you prefer a random lynch over a no-lynch, as it is more revealing and gives more data to work with. Fourthly, you believe that WIFOM and OMGUS are not a valid scumtell, as anybody could use them legitimitely. Finally, you classify your playstyle as extremely erratic, giving you leeway to act however you want and claim it's what you always do.


So far, Dr. Cyanide has voted three completely different people which is either really poor scum play or just plain stupid. Are you intentionally trying to cast as of yet baseless suspicions?

yabba-2
elias-2
empking-1
dr cyanide-1
thief-1

That said, I'm

FoS:yabbaguy

and

FoS:Dr. Cyanide

for trying to cast baseless suspicions and accusations, and in Cyanide's case being wishy-washy with votes.
Looks like this game is starting to get out of RVS right about now...

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Unvote

Vote: yabbaguy

I believe that some experimental pressure will give us additional data to work with.

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Hey, sorry guys, but I'll be on V/LA until the 10th or 11th.

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Sorry about the wall of text, but we should get this game going!

Chevre

0- Fluff
1- RV Cuetlachti
2:3- Fluff
4- Asks where Empking has gone
5- Doesn't like case against Thief


Cuetlachti/RealityFan

0- Fluff
1- Answers questions
2- OMGUS Vote Chevre
INRO OF REALITYFAN
3- Says hi
4- Unvote, RV, Unvote (:P)
a) Answers questions
b) Gives thoughts on players so far
c) Votes sorasgood
5- Questions Jag
6- Fluff


Deer

0- Fluff
1- Finished several games
2- Answers questions
a) Votes yabbaguy
3- Unvotes yabba because someone had voted him, unvotes and votes elias_the_thief
4- Doesn't like RVS wagons
5- Says that Cyanide was still RVS
6- Fluff
7- Votes Jag for trying too hard to be town
8- Fluff
9- Says that Jag made questions just to look good
10- Game is slow, thinks Jag is scum


Dr Cyanide

0- Fluff
1- Answers questions
a) Votes Deer
2- Unvotes, Votes VibeBox for OMGUS
3- Unvotes, Votes Empking for seriousness
4- V/LA


Elias_the_thief

0- Fluff
1- Votes yabbaguy
2- EBWOP
3- Says that Empking is eager to cast suspicions
4- Unvotes, Votes Empking
5- Says that Jag is more concered with being conherent than clean
6- Accuses Empking of scum


Empking

0- Fluff
1- Answers questions
2- Votes yabbaguy
3- Says it's best to try for pro-town points
a) Says that only scum analyse
4- Accuses yabbaguy of being scum due to overthinking
5:7- Fluff
8- Tries to defend something no-one was questioning
9- Fluff
10- Says that Jag should vote
11- Fluff
12- Asks how he has been aggresive
13- Asks RVers to vote someone who is actually acting suspicious
14- Fluff
15- Votes Jag
16:17- Fluff
18- FoS Elias
19- "Let's just wagon Jag"


Jag Johan

0- Fluff
1- Answers questions
2- Says that Empking seems overaggresive
3- Fluff
4- Doesn't want to vote
5:6- Fluff
7- Says that game is really slow and is contributing
8- Says that questions not half-hearted
9- Says that questions weren't serious
10- Fluff
11- Says he looks pretty scum
a) Follow elias and votes Empking
12- Fluff
13- Doublepost
14- Likes RealityFan's post
a) Unvotes, Votes Redstar due to lack of content


sorasgoof

0- Fluff
1- Forgot about game


Thief

0- Fluff
1- RV Elias_the_thief
2- Unvotes votes yabbaguy
3- Suspicious of yabba
4- Says that Empking should focus on scumhunting, not solely on defense


VibeBox

0:1- Fluff
2- Votes Dr. Cyanide
3- Attacks Empking with decent points
4- Accuses Empking of tunneling
5:6- Fluff
7- Willing to drop Empking case due to difference of opinion
8- Unvote
9- Doesn't like Jag Johan due to 'just saying something'
a) Votes Jag
10- First line is hypocritical
11- Wants activity to go up
12- FoS Thief
13- Attacks Jag Johan, welcomes RealityFan
14- Fluff
15- EBWOP


yabbaguy

0:1- Fluff
2- Answers questions, then asks Red Star why starting with RQS
3- Wants to be argumentative, wants brownie points
4- Asks what was learnt from answers
5- Fluff
6- Says that FoS's are out of line, because he's being argumentative for the sake of it
7:8- Fluff
9- Clarifies 'huh' post
10- Frustrated at everyone here
11- Votes Thief
12- Fluff
13- Wants massprod
14- Very frustrated
15- Explains ISO
16- Waiting on thief



Now analysis

Chevre- Too little information to go on, seems to not care about the game (like many others).

Cuetlachti/RealityFan- Seems to be town due to some content, but too little info to go on right now.
However, the fact that Cuetlachti decided to quit makes me think he was a bored Vanilla Townie

Dr Cyanide- A lot of random votes without much behind them.

Elias_the_thief- Acting kinda suspicious, but due to lack of content there isn't much to go on

Empking- Very defensive, throwing suspicions around, contributes little and suggests we just randomly bandwagon someone.

Jag Johan- Contradicts himself, admits he looks scum, copies someone, and votes Red Star

sorasgoof- Says he forgot about game. PLAY MOAR, N00b!

Thief- Very little info, too little content

VibeBox- Seems to be actually scumhunting, but does zigzag a bit.

yabbaguy- Very confrontational and argumentative. However, wants game to continue at faster pace


And in order of most to least scummy....

MOST
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Empking
Jag Johan
Dr Cyanide
sorasgoof
chevre
yabbaguy
Thief
RealityFan
VibeBox
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LEAST



That said and done,

Unvote, Vote: Empking

, mainly due to his post 19 and general lack of content.
yabbaguy, just a question which might make you less frustrated, how do you believe that being argumentative and confrontational is helping the town locate and catch scum?

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EBWOP:
Thanks, Deer, I didn't notice I left you out.

Deer- Not much to go on, seems to be voting mainly on the fact that people 'are trying too hard to look good'. Try and get a more convincing case.

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I'm voting Jag. How is wanting to wagon Jag random?

As in the act of trying to get everyone to wagon Jag, thus ending discussion and cutting the day short, is random. Not that you suggest that a random person is voted.

Which players have contributed more than me?

VibeBox, RealityFan, yabbaguy. The majority of your posts have been either defensive, pointing fingers over minor things and rather not actually trying to figure out who is scum. You seem to be thinking that everybody in the game is scum, instead of everybody having the possibility of being scum.

What posts did I defend myself in?

Post 8, 9, 10, 12, 17. About 23% of your posts.

What's "throwing suspicions around"?

As in, you've been accusing people over fairly minor and trivial things (eg: a non-serious vote in RVS, changing votes in RVS to prevent possible bandwagons, saying only scum think too much about the game, not voting and not wagoning somebody) which don't seem to be that worthy of note. However, you have help generate discussion from the reactions of people from these accusations, so their not entirely useless.

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Hey sorry, I'm back. I'll post tomorrow, just don't replace me yet!