Lay of Leithian Mafia: Game Over!

[curiouskarmadog]

CKD I had one link I found scummy and reading your other views I want you to explain the scummy post. I had a few questions too. Drunk post noted.

will read it more thoroughly tomorrow..and reply

Vote Count 3 - 07: Lynch

Steam-Powered Shovel -

4

- Jack, SpyreX, MehPlusRawr, Budja
xvart - 2 - Iecerint, Kmd4390
Iecerint -

4

- SocioPath, Cyberbob, Starbuck, Papa Zito
Jack - 1 - Steam-Powered Shovel
Kmd4390 - 2 - farside22, curiouskarmadog
Budja - 1 - xvart

Not Voting (4): Anon, SensFan, Cobalt, ooba

With 18 players alive it'll take 10 to lynch and 9 to no-Lynch.

[SpyreX]

No, not lurker reasons.

Show me hard stances and you moving the game forward - and if you think I'm prepping to jump wagons versus vehemently and adamantly pushing for your lynch when the time is right well.

[SocioPath]

ITT Spy tries to lead another town...INTO THE GROUND. >:C
YES I'M BITTER. >:O

[SpyreX]

We could go back to twirling around if you'd prefer I'm cool with that?

[Iecerint]

My role must have a hidden effect where no one will take me seriously.

Scummy D1 + avoiding the game + failure to explain avoiding the game + failure to address the issue at all other than to call it "bogus" => xvart wagon needed.

I'm happy that someone (farside) FINALLY started to come around on CB, even if for different reasons.

[Budja]

Actually

unvote, vote CKD

.
I don't like the weird paranoia, lurky thing you've got going on. (Horrible gut-feeling too, so weak and passive, unassuming feels off? Anyone else get this?)
Better wagon.

[Cyberbob]

I would really appreciate it if someone on the SPS wagon would take the time to make at least a cursory stab at answering my questions about it, thanks. I'm not asking for a huge wall of text or anything like that so it should be no trouble at all to explain to me why your vote is where it is.

I'm happy that someone (farside) FINALLY started to come around on CB, even if for different reasons.

Different, yet equally dumb.

[xvart]

Had a seizure this morning and am having trouble remembering/reviewing my games because I can't keep get the last 36 hours straight. I'll post tomorrow at the latest once I get my head back on straight and can review the threads.

xvart.

[Cyberbob]

Welp

[curiouskarmadog]

off to bed, will post tomorrow.

Actually

unvote, vote CKD

.
I don't like the weird paranoia, lurky thing you've got going on. (Horrible gut-feeling too, so weak and passive, unassuming feels off? Anyone else get this?)
Better wagon.

interesting....well not really, lurking am I? Budja care to compare our content, post count, or actual protown actions in this game? Or are you just hoping people will join a hypocrite without a case?

first SPS vote.....now mine...throwing shit against a wall until you find something that sticks?

[Kmd4390]

Zito is town because he PM'd Plum to complain about his reads. He wouldn't do it as scum and I doubt he'd lie about it expecting someone to see it as a towntell. So Zito is confirmed town.

God, you're naïve (alternatively: scum).

Give me a scenario where that post comes from scum.

Reasoning for voting? It sounds like you are still satisfied with the D1 case or is there more to it now?

Yeah it's pretty much Day 1 stuff.

[Míriel Therindë]

Vote Count 3 - 08: Lynch

Steam-Powered Shovel - 3 - Jack, SpyreX, MehPlusRawr,
xvart - 2 - Iecerint, Kmd4390
Iecerint -

4

- SocioPath, Cyberbob, Starbuck, Papa Zito
Jack - 1 - Steam-Powered Shovel
Kmd4390 - 2 - farside22, curiouskarmadog
Budja - 1 - xvart
curiousjarmadog - 1 - Budja

Not Voting (4): Anon, SensFan, Cobalt, ooba

With 18 players alive it'll take 10 to lynch and 9 to no-Lynch.

Happy belated scumday to SpyreX.

Feel better, xvart.

[Iecerint]

^ Hmm. Is MPR supposed to be a non-voter?

No, I'm just really good at screwing up votecounts, especially when everyone pines for in-the-middle-of-the-page counts . Fixing that now.

[MehPlusRawr]

I thought I voted for SPS last page, fail on my part.

Vote: SPS

Not afaik, Iec.

[Steam-Powered Shovel]

Zito is town because he PM'd Plum to complain about his reads. He wouldn't do it as scum and I doubt he'd lie about it expecting someone to see it as a towntell. So Zito is confirmed town.

God, you're naïve (alternatively: scum).

Give me a scenario where that post comes from scum.

Okay. Imagine if you will a scum who's, get this, trying to look pro-town. So he figures he could back up his claim of having trouble with reads by referencing this concrete (but uncorfirmable) thing he did. I'll grant you that "he actually did it"-explanation is, in general, more parsimonious, but on the other hand I find it weird that he would complain to the mod about his reads.

[SocioPath]

We could go back to twirling around if you'd prefer I'm cool with that?

I certainly haven't been 'twirling around'.
Maybe in your eyes because you completely disregard anything meta.
But this isn't even random meta pulled from an past game.
This is meta that IEC AS SCUM has USED AGAINST ME.

He said in one game 'Oh SP hasn't posted in 9 days, he is obviously gone.'
And in the other game 'Oh 2 days late to confirm, not even a weekend holiday, reasonable pre-game scumtell.' THEN CLAIMS IGNORANT TO ME BEING GONE.

AND I SEE HIM PULLING THE SAME STUNTS ON XVART.
IEC AS SCUM BLATANTLY MISREPRESENTS META ON PEOPLE FOR PERSONAL GAIN.

YES THIS IS A META ARGUMENT ABOUT META.
DEAL WITH IT.
VOTE STAYS.

[Kmd4390]

Zito is town because he PM'd Plum to complain about his reads. He wouldn't do it as scum and I doubt he'd lie about it expecting someone to see it as a towntell. So Zito is confirmed town.

God, you're naïve (alternatively: scum).

Give me a scenario where that post comes from scum.

Okay. Imagine if you will a scum who's, get this, trying to look pro-town. So he figures he could back up his claim of having trouble with reads by referencing this concrete (but uncorfirmable) thing he did. I'll grant you that "he actually did it"-explanation is, in general, more parsimonious, but on the other hand I find it weird that he would complain to the mod about his reads.

I can see a scum saying "I have bad reads", but I can't see a scum going "well, that looks more believable if I lie and say I complained to the Mod". I am positive that Zito did this, so at the very least, he's non scum. Wait....


OMG

Scratch that, scratch all of it....

He could be a scum looking for another scum group and having a hard time finding them.

Because of...
all the kills.

Never mind, forget the entire argument.

[Iecerint]

1. For the millionth time, I was scum with you in "the other game." This "SP, victimized crusader against evil!" tone doesn't make any sense, and it's a bit irrelevant AFAIK.

2. I don't think you've ever played with me before as town (?). Yeah, I use meta to my advantage where possible as scum. That doesn't mean that "Iec using meta" is a scumtell, though, because I use meta to my advantage as town, too. If you have a problem with my interpretation of xvart's play bookending his V/LA, you should state that instead of arguing that "Iec using meta" is a scumtell, which is what it looks like you're doing.

[SpyreX]

If it goes the way of Ice I'm not going to cry (and it'll make me feel a lot better about Budja / Jack - Jack especially).

So, whatever is clever.

[SocioPath]

I don't think you've ever played with me before as town (?).

Please clarify.

[Starbuck]

Can someone explain the case on SPS?

[Cyberbob]

I have now asked like four times about the SPS wagon and yet nobody has answered me. As far as I'm concerned at this point he is nothing but an incredibly safe wagon to throw an unjustified vote on without worrying about drawing any attention for it.

FOS: Everyone voting for SPS

until someone gives me a coherent explanation for why he has been drawing votes since practically forever.

[Iecerint]

I don't think you've ever played with me before as town (?).

Please clarify.

Our only finished games together are OS and Fables IIRC. I was scum in both of them.

(It's also true that I've never finished a game with you as town, since you were SK and scum in them, respectively.)

[xvart]

Zito is town because he PM'd Plum to complain about his reads. He wouldn't do it as scum and I doubt he'd lie about it expecting someone to see it as a towntell.

Except it was seen as a town tell so the basis behind it is fairly flimsy...

He could be a scum looking for another scum group and having a hard time finding them.

Are you suggesting that Zito is actively trying to hunt out scum factions by getting hints from the mod?

Is this whole Spy/Iec/Socio meta shenanigans going to turn into another Sensfan/Xoelf wagon to the end of day blaze of not-so-gloriousness?

Can someone explain the case on SPS?

I asked this way back on D1 and never got a legitimate response. I'm still befuddled...

xvart.

[Jack]

fos:cyberbob