Pick Your Power III: A Brave New World

[Ellibereth]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 12

Dramonic

- 2 - mb53, Ellibereth - (L-10)

Hoopla

- 1 - Zang - (L-11)

Manho

- 3 - PranaDevil, Pomegranate, Parama - (L-9)

PranaDevil

- 3 - Dramonic, Socrates, Faraday - (L-9)

SerialClergyman

- 1 - Hoopla - (L-11)

sorasgoof

- 4 - CryMeARiver, Fate, Super Awesome Mega Pimp!, Porkens - (L-8)

Players not voting: 12keyblade, Budja, DrippingGoofball, Manho, Sando, SerialClergyman, sorasgoof, Zoiaum

Ok, this seems way too obvious not to have been thought of, but after the signup thread, I'm no longer convinced that everyone would be able to tie their own shoe-laces...

How on earth does claiming on D2 compared to D1 change things for vig? How are they less locked in after having had 1 night to kill?

Basically, a D1 massclaim doesn't really seem to gain us anything over a D2, and gives scum an extra night to plan and kill the PRs.

I agree, I think it would be best for us to claim day 1 or as soon as possible.

^^^ See DGB. He's town.

People in Pyp 2, remember this?:

Do we have any reason to believe scum had the possibility to actually communicate legally before sending their draft/role?

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 88#2095188
That was Dramtown cluelessness. The way he sounded here is waaaaay fake compared to the above.

I DO NOT BELIEVE that Dram could have clicked on page 6, scrolled past Soc's post here: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 10#2221310 and not notice anything among all the other shorter posts.

[PranaDevil]

Ok, this seems way too obvious not to have been thought of, but after the signup thread, I'm no longer convinced that everyone would be able to tie their own shoe-laces...

How on earth does claiming on D2 compared to D1 change things for vig? How are they less locked in after having had 1 night to kill?

Basically, a D1 massclaim doesn't really seem to gain us anything over a D2, and gives scum an extra night to plan and kill the PRs.

Actually, a vig could be directed still tonight whether we claim or not.

It's the other roles (cop, doc, watcher, tracker) that we don't want to out so early on, because scum just pick them off one at a time with ease.

Also, Socrates fails by classing me as being deserving of a lynch. Pay attention.

and CMAR, Cop/doc is very pro-town, however town didn't just have a choice of "cop/doc" or "vig" we had a choice of everything, and if lucky could land all of those roles... so why are you talking as though we had a choice of one or the other?

[DrippingGoofball]

Ok, this seems way too obvious not to have been thought of, but after the signup thread, I'm no longer convinced that everyone would be able to tie their own shoe-laces...

How on earth does claiming on D2 compared to D1 change things for vig? How are they less locked in after having had 1 night to kill?

Basically, a D1 massclaim doesn't really seem to gain us anything over a D2, and gives scum an extra night to plan and kill the PRs.

I agree, I think it would be best for us to claim day 1 or as soon as possible.

^^^ See DGB. He's town.

Dammit you're right.

Socrates is town, too.

Hoopla is pretty iffy.

[DrippingGoofball]

Vig is a protown role for the last time. Unless you're against extra lynches.

Also I'm willing to switch to dram even more with that last post, but I'm sure they're both scum.

Yes, but I think we'd both agree that cop or doc would be more effective to the town.

That's if these roles have been picked by townies. They may not have been.

[Zang]

^^^ See DGB. He's town.

I can't tell, is this sarcastic or serious?

[Zang]

Nevermind

[Parama]

Ellibereth is always serious.
I don't like Socrates' reads at all.

[DrippingGoofball]

Ellibereth is always serious.
I don't like Socrates' reads at all.

Maybe he's like Yosarian. His reads are awful, but they are not indicative of alignment.

Socrates is town. You can take it to the bank.

[CryMeARiver]

Ok, this seems way too obvious not to have been thought of, but after the signup thread, I'm no longer convinced that everyone would be able to tie their own shoe-laces...

How on earth does claiming on D2 compared to D1 change things for vig? How are they less locked in after having had 1 night to kill?

Basically, a D1 massclaim doesn't really seem to gain us anything over a D2, and gives scum an extra night to plan and kill the PRs.

Actually, a vig could be directed still tonight whether we claim or not.

It's the other roles (cop, doc, watcher, tracker) that we don't want to out so early on, because scum just pick them off one at a time with ease.

Also, Socrates fails by classing me as being deserving of a lynch. Pay attention.

and CMAR, Cop/doc is very pro-town, however town didn't just have a choice of "cop/doc" or "vig" we had a choice of everything, and if lucky could land all of those roles... so why are you talking as though we had a choice of one or the other?

I'm just giving examples. Here, I will make a diagram:

If person A has the number 1 pick in the draft and they are town, they would likely select cop, tracker, or possibly even bomb or doctor.
If person B has the number 2 pick in the draft and they are scum, they would likely go for redirector, role cop, either vig, maybe even janitor.

This is the point that I am trying to prove. With a high draft pick, town would select cop/tracker/bomb/doctor before redirector, role cop, either vig, or janitor. Therefore, if a mass claim happens in the upcoming days, I do believe this would be a good guideline to follow.

[Parama]

Ellibereth is always serious.
I don't like Socrates' reads at all.

Maybe he's like Yosarian. His reads are awful, but they are not indicative of alignment.

Socrates is town. You can take it to the bank.

For example, the guy with a scum read on a confirmed townie is a VI, not scum.

[Parama]

Part of my last post is missing.

EBWOP:

Ellibereth is always serious.
I don't like Socrates' reads at all.

Maybe he's like Yosarian. His reads are awful, but they are not indicative of alignment.

Socrates is town. You can take it to the bank.

I almost never judge someone's alignment based on their reads.
For example, the guy with a scum read on a confirmed townie is a VI, not scum.

[Socrates]

Meh. I haven't really been paying attention to Pranadevil since I wrote him off as scum a while ago.

##unvote,
##vote:Fate

I was more confident in this read anyway.

Also, CMAR is another acceptable lynch.

[DrippingGoofball]

For example, the guy with a scum read on a confirmed townie is a VI, not scum.

Not true, scum likes to increase the fog of suspicion by finding townie-looking players scummy.

[Ellibereth]

Fate, I know I said I would vote Soras now but Dram's comment about not knowing about the pre-game discussion is sooooo obviously faked. See my post on the top of the page.
That goes for everyone else too. Wagon onto Owl street plz.

[sorasgoof]

@CMAR- what if the number one person in the draft picks a role they know the mafia will want just to make sure they don't get it? Point being, each role is basically equal for both sides (if that makes sense) in my eyes. Each side has a reason for picking each role.

[CryMeARiver]

@CMAR- what if the number one person in the draft picks a role they know the mafia will want just to make sure they don't get it? Point being, each role is basically equal for both sides (if that makes sense) in my eyes. Each side has a reason for picking each role.

In my opinion, as both scum or town, I would choose a role that would benefit my alignment, whether it was scum or town, before I chose a role that would hinder the other alignment any day. Especially as scum since they have a lot less people. Choosing a role to benefit them is a lot more important.

[SerialClergyman]

I'm pretty sure Hoopla is town. I could be getting played but I don't know why she'd play like that as scum. I'm willing to bank on it.

I lol'd at sando's shoelaces comment.

Serial: If the scum team truthfully claims their role, then fuck ya mission successful. They lose all control over how they use their roles and the town can direct them at our leisure. (Side note, I have a low opinion of people who have a problem with directing power roles.) At the very least, they have to justify their use and can't get away with using it in an anti-town fashion.

Maybe you don't know this about me, but I'm Mr Massclaim . I love them. I think they're underutilised and there's numerous games where I've called for them realy early. But in a game where roles bear no relationship to alignment, I really don't get the point. I didn't read PYP2, so I could be wrong, but meh. As for town directing, I don't get much point in that either, tbh. I don't think you've got any chance of breaking the setup or anything similar.

Plus there are obvious ways to fakeclaim even with a bottom-up approach.

Anyways - who is scummy?

##Vote Pom

[Fate]

##Unvote

##Vote: Dram

[SerialClergyman]

CMAR - imagine a role that would completely nullify the cop. Useful for scum?

Now imagine scum ACTUALLY PICKING THE COP, and getting the town cred for doing so.

I think you are seriously overestimating factions picking factional powers.

[Fate]

sorasgoof is definitely scum BTW, role related info.

[CryMeARiver]

sorasgoof is definitely scum BTW,

role related info.

Huh?

[SerialClergyman]

I assumed it was a (bad) joke

[Fate]

I'm serious, however I'll vote Dram for now to appease Ellie and so I don't tip my hand.

But if I flip tonight you'll know why Soras is scum.

[CryMeARiver]

I'm serious, however I'll vote Dram for now to appease Ellie and so I don't tip my hand.

But if I flip tonight you'll know why Soras is scum.

Ok?

I would hope this was a joke, because if you somehow know that someone is scum and are not helping the town lynch this person, you will be considered scum. Just sayin'

[DrippingGoofball]

Fate, I know I said I would vote Soras now but Dram's comment about not knowing about the pre-game discussion is sooooo obviously faked. See my post on the top of the page.
That goes for everyone else too. Wagon onto Owl street plz.

I didn't know about it. If I had, I wouldn't have missed an opportunity to nail the scum even before the game starts.