Riddle Me This! NY111 - mafia dead - Town wins!

[DeathNote]

~Mr.Chaos replaces thestatusquo. Thanks Mr.Chaos!~

[Mr. Chaos]

Thanks, boss.

I'll try and finish a re-read this evening/tommorow if I can. I got alot of text to catch up on.

[Anon]

~Mr.Chaos replaces thestatusquo. Thanks Mr.Chaos!~

How ironic...

Fonz, what is the basis for thinking paltry is town?

[The Fonz]

I explained that in the post before, but basically, out of everyone one the mipewagon, he's the one who looked like he genuinely believed in it. Everyone else on it looked more cynical/opportunistic than he did.

[Shanba]

Fonz, possibly because you're looking at vote counts, you may have missed that dahill and I were both on the mipewagon at various points. What did you make of us?

Fur: YARFP NURGLE WHIPF TURGLE.

I just made as much sense as you did in your latest post. You don't have a case, you don't seem to have anything constructive to add to the game. If you want to push a case against me, then I'm almost certain there are receptive voices, but you currently don't have one.

[The Fonz]

Shanba: I was looking at those on the mipe wagon at its peak, as far as the VCs are concerned. I've written about you at length: I feel I need more time to get a read on you.

dahill's kinda an unknown quantity: Wagon was iffy, if not as stinky as the mipewagon, he demanded replacement ala anon for ksun,

- ksun could either be lazy scum or just a VI, i don't really know at this point. I think he should get replaced though.

-but also for mipe. On the other hand, he was on ksun early, and I don't get the distancing vibe off that vote as i did off yours.

[scotmany12]

Vote: Richard

I'm still pretty convinced he is scum. He has done nothing yet that makes me think he could be town. His vote screams like he was just trying to attempt to bussing, giving no reason at all for it.

Richard, Why are you voting for mipe? I mean you have this one post at the start of the day talking about how we should analyze the kills, and say we should look at people who pushed at both korts and sora (which is full of wifom) and then you go on and vote mipe. Why? Why not follow up on what you said in the post about analyzing the night kills?

Mod: Votecount, please?

Furcolow. You are attacking people for defending people that are still alive. That doesn't really hold any water because you dont know their alignments for sure. Also, you aren't making any sense at all with any of your other points. Time to start playing.

Fonz, do you think you can expand on your inhimm vote? Right now it just seems like you have a lot and you jumbled all of it in to this little paragraph.

As for quag not noticing ksun, I'm not making much of it. Quag tends to be a lazy player imo, and it wouldn't surprise me that he totally doesn't notice someone who lurked quite a bit during day one.

I think the anon case has merit. The whole the wagon has decent reasoners then jumping to someone was bussing looks to me like he is trying to set up being able to lynch an experienced player later on.

* INSERT LONG ANALYSIS POST HERE*

Why nothing about me?

What are YOUR thoughts on the game mipe?

Thats all for now. I've been burnt out lately.

[Shanba]

Ok.

For those of you playing along at home, this is the part where I did what I finally managed to do on day 1 and shake off my demons to post what I actually think about the game, and not what I think I ought to think.

I am paranoid about Yosarian. He shoved hard against a ksun lynch in favour of lynching a player of unknown alignment. He seems tunneled to a slightly disturbing degree on Ricky. To the extent that he's saying I am unlikely scum because of it. I guess what I was trying to express earlier was that this feels like a type of low grade buddying to me. I am under no illusions that my play yesterday around ksun implicates me; to see someone dismiss it like that felt off. Fonz' reaction seems a whole lot more natural; he thinks it looks scummy but isn't sure whether I'm scum.

But my gut is not backing me up on a Yos suspicion, partly because I actually think Richard is still scummy. His scumhunting attempts just don't seem sincere. I mean, take his approach to the dahill wagon; first he wagons on and takes some flak for that post, then he posts a case against dahill and takes some flak for that post. To which his response is:

Do you realise how hypocritical you all are?

If I bandwagon, you'd think I'm scum for jumping on an easy lynch.

If I post a case on someone, you go out of your way to find flaws in it, so you think that I'm scum.

I'm a little confused. Would you rather I just blatantly bandwagoned? Because any attemp at posting a case on someone will only get shot down by overwhelming opposition, I can almost guarantee you. Make up your minds about what kind of votes/cases you want to see, otherwise I'm just going to plough on regardless.

This reads like scum who has tried to gauge the mood of the town, or tried some tricks to shake us off, but still can't and is getting frustrated because it seems like we're being unfair to him - we're going to lynch him and he'll turn up scum, but that's just us being lucky because our tells don't make sense to him.

The other major point I have against him is less of a psychological one, and it's something of an elaboration of the wagonning thing I was looking at yesterday - it's simply that every time he has voted, he has coincidentally believed that the best wagon, the wagon on the scummiest player, that is, has always been the hot wagon - the one that has the most activity/votes at the time when he is voting. I don't think that sort of coincidence happens naturally with a townie who is thinking for himself. No one ever agrees with the town the whole time.

I have a few other minor points, at least one of which is WIFOMMY and debatable, so I won't waste your time with them here unless you want further elaboration. Know that they are weighing on my decision, though.

In light of Richard's scumminess, I can't vote Yos in good faith. so

Unvote

but I'm not voting Richard, because I think Anon is scummier.

Anon was on two of the three pre-lynch wagons yesterday, and was also on ksun. I don't think this is intrinsically scummy, but there is a nugget of something more: He is early on dahill - in fact, the first - and early again on mipe, but late on ksun. Early on town players and late on scum players is a pattern I would expect of a scum player. mipe and dahill are of unknown alignment and he was early on them. ksun was scum and he was late on him. The fact he was early on the wagons means I am not accusing him of wagonning like I am accusing Richard - but I do think the pattern of voting is scummy.

There's also an incredibly scummy posts which iamausername missed when commenting on the connections between Anon and Richard:

Or we could get a claim from mipe, specially when we are two days away from deadline.

Do people really think, shanba et al, that there is another viable wagon besides mipe and that the voters are going to look even at it without a claim or a lynch?

Specially when the guy HASTN done anything remarkably protown?

Come on

Shanba et al I can only assume are the people jumping off the mipewagon (i.e. me and dahill). The guy we jumped on to happened to be scum. This is what PaltryExcuse is being accused of, but much much stronger imo.

Vote: Anon

[The Fonz]

I need to go back and look at R-Survival actually, since there, he felt scummy for some reason i couldn't really articulate, and was scum. Here, he feels town in the same way, but the case against him, on the face of it, is pretty good.

Damnit, I just can't read anyone here. Grrrrr.

[The Fonz]

Oh, scot, I'm happy to expand on my InHim vote (although not now, as i'm going to bed) but could you do me the favour of answering my question about Quagmire?

[scotmany12]

The question about not noticing ksun, fonz? Answered it right here.

As for quag not noticing ksun, I'm not making much of it. Quag tends to be a lazy player imo, and it wouldn't surprise me that he totally doesn't notice someone who lurked quite a bit during day one.

Ksun lurked for most of day one, and provided very little, if any, to the game. And since quag can be a lazy player at times, it doesn't surprise me that he wouldn't have noticed someone.

[dahill1]

I'm starting to think Shanba is scum. Scot still seems to be just going along with the flow this entire game. Aghh I'm unsure about Richard

[PaltryExcuse]

@Furcolow: I was looking for an opinion on anything to do with the rest of the game beyond your cases. Yos2 and I were posting heavily and the only thing you can think of is us 'derailing' it?

In other news: Vas's last post was ridiculously empty of content, and then he joins a popular wagon. Guh.

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@TheFonz: The Quag comment is odd, (as he actually mentions something along those lines twice, ISO 63 & 71, to hammer home the point). It's slightly scummy but I don't think that's enough to build a case on.

@Shanba: Your last post indicates a strong dislike of Richard's play but a talk of connections between Anon and Richard leads to a vote on Anon. Wha? Is it just the voting block and connections? Cause that's weak.

[Shanba]

@Furcolow: I was looking for an opinion on anything to do with the rest of the game beyond your cases. Yos2 and I were posting heavily and the only thing you can think of is us 'derailing' it?

In other news: Vas's last post was ridiculously empty of content, and then he joins a popular wagon. Guh.

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@TheFonz: The Quag comment is odd, (as he actually mentions something along those lines twice, ISO 63 & 71, to hammer home the point). It's slightly scummy but I don't think that's enough to build a case on.

@Shanba: Your last post indicates a strong dislike of Richard's play but a talk of connections between Anon and Richard leads to a vote on Anon. Wha? Is it just the voting block and connections? Cause that's weak.

Typo. (Freudian slip? Possibly, cause there was also an

actual

richard/anon connection I had noted, though it was weak at best.)

This sentence:

There's also an incredibly scummy posts which iamausername missed when commenting on the connections between Anon and Richard:

Should read as "connections between Anon and ksun".

But that should have also been obvious from the context.

[Furcolow]

unvote
vote: richardghp

[Furcolow]

@Furcolow: I was looking for an opinion on anything to do with the rest of the game beyond your cases. Yos2 and I were posting heavily and the only thing you can think of is us 'derailing' it?

In other news: Vas's last post was ridiculously empty of content, and then he joins a popular wagon. Guh.

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@TheFonz: The Quag comment is odd, (as he actually mentions something along those lines twice, ISO 63 & 71, to hammer home the point). It's slightly scummy but I don't think that's enough to build a case on.

@Shanba: Your last post indicates a strong dislike of Richard's play but a talk of connections between Anon and Richard leads to a vote on Anon. Wha? Is it just the voting block and connections? Cause that's weak.

disagree with mipe wagon.

[RichardGHP]

Vote: Richard

I'm still pretty convinced he is scum. He has done nothing yet that makes me think he could be town. His vote screams like he was just trying to attempt to bussing, giving no reason at all for it.

Bussing by definition is between two scum.

Richard, Why are you voting for mipe? I mean you have this one post at the start of the day talking about how we should analyze the kills, and say we should look at people who pushed at both korts and sora (which is full of wifom) and then you go on and vote mipe. Why? Why not follow up on what you said in the post about analyzing the night kills?

Voting for mipe for reasons posted on D1 etc etc

unvote
vote: richardghp

*face-palm*

disagree with mipe wagon.

Of course you disagree with the damn wagon; you didn't create it.

[RichardGHP]

EBWOP: Furcolow, I have a proposition for you.

First I wish to ask you a simple question: On a scale of 1-10, 1 being obvtown and 10 being obvscum, how would you rate me ITT?

[Furcolow]

there is no gray area in this, richard.

[RichardGHP]

Just answer the damn question.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

unvote, vote fucolow

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[The Fonz]

The question about not noticing ksun, fonz? Answered it right here.

Thanks, sorry, I think I missed that. Here's the elaboration on inHim.

InHim: Jumps mipe wagon at L-2 with no reasoning whatsoever, in a post where he attacks three or four other people.

To this point, InHim has not mentioned mipe, and he gives no reason for finding mipe scummy. He states in the same post that he thinks you are trying to play clean, and that he thinks Cody is a fool and probably a 'wolf,' presumably meaning scum though he's undoubtedly going to correct me on this if i'm wrong. The later post where he says 'You're actually scum' confirms this. He also talks about how his suspicion on scot is mostly gut.

Directs a possible vig to a town player.

ISO 14, asks vig to kill sorasgoof, who we now know is town. Directing vig generally bad as implies not-vig, though I've done it before.

His choice of ksun over Richard seems odd, since his list of five players he'd consider lynching didn't include ksun- in fact, he didn't mention him prior to this vote.

ISO 17 includes the following list of players 'He wouldn't mind lynching:' mipe, soras, Quag, GHP, dahill. In ISO21, he votes Richard, but then immediately withdraws this and switches to ksun who, again, he hadn't previously mentioned, after I put my vote on the latter.

His stated reason for staying on ksun after that is because 'A couple of people voted RGHP after [myself] and [he] put our votes on ksun. I'd kinda have expected him to have followed through on this today.

Given that inHim had the option to go to a wagon he himself said he found scummier, but didn't because he felt people piled on Richard in response to the two votes going on ksun- IE, implying that people were protecting ksun. Given that ksun actually flipped scum, if this had been what he genuinely felt, I'd expect him to be hammering this point home today, but he isn't really.

[inHimshallibe]

I wouldn't normally post before work, but I feel a small rebuttal is necessary, given I have yet to provide much at all this Day.

My reason to switch to one of RGHP/ksun and not to one of the players on my list was because I no longer wished to be a part of the mipewagon, and we were facing a looming deadline. I did not want to place a dead vote - most of y'all weren't agreeing with my scum choices at the moment. Had I given more thought at the time of my Richard vote, that actually would have been a ksun vote. I chose RGHP to begin with because he was posting like a chicken with his head cut off, just all over the place. ksun was non-existent.

The Fonz's arrival to the ksun wagon showed what I was missing out on by not being on the ksun wagon. and I moved yet again. I'm not going to add a reason when there is nothing to add; that's just unnecessary noise.

Also, I've not forgotten about those quick Richard votes, either - I've yet to really make a substantive post this Day, still working around a busy schedule.

[Shanba]

IHSIB: ddi you ever think RickyGHP was scummy then? It's not clear from your post and I want an answer so I can question you on something.

[zoraster]

Okay. Should be able to get back in the game by tonight. Sorry for the delay, guys! Finally adopting out one of the kittens today and the other is recovering, so I'm in a better place for this game