Pick Your Power III: A Brave New World

[Parama]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 12

Dramonic

- 2 - mb53, Ellibereth - (L-10)

Hoopla

- 1 - Parama - (L-11)

Manho

- 2 - PranaDevil, Pomegranate - (L-10)

PranaDevil

- 3 - Dramonic, Socrates, Faraday - (L-9)

SerialClergyman

- 1 - Hoopla - (L-11)

sorasgoof

- 4 - CryMeARiver, Fate, Super Awesome Mega Pimp!, Porkens - (L-8)

Players not voting: 12keyblade, Budja, DrippingGoofball, Manho, Sando, SerialClergyman, sorasgoof, Zang, Zoiaum

Okay this is stupid. My vote is staying.

[Parama]

half this town isn't in any way logical.

[Parama]

Also, Zoiaum and 12keyblade have yet to post in the thread.

[Hoopla]

[Zang]

What the hell is hoopla doing?

[PranaDevil]

Trying to get herself lynched would be my best guess.

[CryMeARiver]

Also, Zoiaum and 12keyblade have yet to post in the thread.

[Zang]

##Vote: Hoopla

I would like a real explaination soon.

[Ellibereth]

I think Hoopla is town.

[Parama]

Also, Zoiaum and 12keyblade have yet to post in the thread.

And CMAR is active lurking.

[Parama]

Also this vote is still better.

##unvote,
##vote: manho

[Pomegranate]

I think Hoopla is town.

Why?

She's making no sense. More post later.

[CryMeARiver]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 12

Dramonic

- 3 - Budja, mb53, Ellibereth - (L-9)

Manho

- 2 - Parama, PranaDevil - (L-10)

Pomegranate

- 1 - Hoopla - (L-11)

PranaDevil

- 3 - Dramonic, Socrates, Faraday - (L-9)

SerialClergyman

- 1 - Manho - (L-11)

sorasgoof

- 4 - CryMeARiver, Fate, Super Awesome Mega Pimp!, Porkens - (L-8)

Players not voting: 12keyblade, DrippingGoofball, Pomegranate, Sando, SerialClergyman, sorasgoof, Zang, Zoiaum

Roles Town Would Take With High Draft Pick

Cop
Doctor
Watcher
Tracker
Universal Backup
Gunsmith
Bomb

Roles Scum Would Take With High Draft Pick

Janitor
Redirector
Role Cop
Even Night Vig
Odd Day Vig

I'm just saddened that no one reacted to this

[PranaDevil]

Personally, it doesn't help us that much... it all depends on the position you are.

I'm also pretty sure in the sign up thread someone mentioned they hope someone picked doc this game, thereby stating that no bugger did in the previous game. (I can sorta see why, why be a role where you "might" die through use... you need some way of planning how you will run things).

Thus, it's not necessarily true that pro-town will definitely pick those roles.

In fact, to be honest, it all depends on how the scum team have decided to do things, to what they'll have picked. They know town will expect them to pick Janitor/Redirector/Role Cop... so why pick them? They could just go after decent (though perhaps not as strong) town roles instead. Stuff like Bomb, Backup, Weak Doc etc. will benefit scum still, purely by preventing town having those roles.

I think basing the game around what roles are more likely to be scum/town is a sure fire way of town losing badly.

[CryMeARiver]

Personally, it doesn't help us that much... it all depends on the position you are.

I'm also pretty sure in the sign up thread someone mentioned they hope someone picked doc this game, thereby stating that no bugger did in the previous game. (I can sorta see why, why be a role where you "might" die through use... you need some way of planning how you will run things).

Thus, it's not necessarily true that pro-town will definitely pick those roles.

In fact, to be honest, it all depends on how the scum team have decided to do things, to what they'll have picked. They know town will expect them to pick Janitor/Redirector/Role Cop... so why pick them? They could just go after decent (though perhaps not as strong) town roles instead. Stuff like Bomb, Backup, Weak Doc etc. will benefit scum still, purely by preventing town having those roles.

I think basing the game around what roles are more likely to be scum/town is a sure fire way of town losing badly.

For some reason, I don't think that's the route scum would take. I think taking roles that would benefit them while at the same time might look protown, might be more favorable then taking roles that are of little use to them, but put town at a disadvantage. Roles like Even/Odd Night Vig and janitor might be able to put a protown spin, therefore I think those would be likely roles for scum.

[PranaDevil]

Yeah, but it's already been widely discussed about why those roles are likely to be taken by scum, clever scum would have spotted that and gone with lesser roles that could be much, much more useful.

Things like weak doc, neighborizor, Bomb would be hugely beneficial to scum, as the Bomb would take out any vig who managed to NK them, neighborizor prevents clever town making most use of it, weak doc means they can just "protect" someone and know they wont die. Janitor... well all scum could do with that is sit on it, same with the vigs (as once they're known, they have to use them as we tell them, or try and get out of doing it in some fashion).

But this speculation really gets us nowhere to be honest, as until we mass claim it's unneeded info. What is needed is a lynch on manho.

[sorasgoof]

To me, it looks like you guys are getting into a WIFOM argument here. It's not really helping. Many of the roles could be useful to either side, and each side could put just about any role to use for a variety of reasons, so I don't think arguing about which side would be more likely to take a role is all that important.

[Zang]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 12

Dramonic

- 3 - Budja, mb53, Ellibereth - (L-9)

Manho

- 2 - Parama, PranaDevil - (L-10)

Pomegranate

- 1 - Hoopla - (L-11)

PranaDevil

- 3 - Dramonic, Socrates, Faraday - (L-9)

SerialClergyman

- 1 - Manho - (L-11)

sorasgoof

- 4 - CryMeARiver, Fate, Super Awesome Mega Pimp!, Porkens - (L-8)

Players not voting: 12keyblade, DrippingGoofball, Pomegranate, Sando, SerialClergyman, sorasgoof, Zang, Zoiaum

Roles Town Would Take With High Draft Pick

Cop
Doctor
Watcher
Tracker
Universal Backup
Gunsmith
Bomb

Roles Scum Would Take With High Draft Pick

Janitor
Redirector
Role Cop
Even Night Vig
Odd Day Vig

I'm just saddened that no one reacted to this

You didnt count all the roles

[sorasgoof]

EBWOP: I won't be very active on weekends, just so you guys know. I usually get the bulk of my homework on weekends, and most of my free time is going to go towards prestige-ing in MW2. However, I should be decently active during the week.

[manho]

Also this vote is still better.

unvote, vote: manho

ok then, if you insist.

[Super Awesome Mega Zord!]

There's nothing in the janitor role that states the janitor will get to know the person's role either. Thereby negating that reason to push for a mass claim that will wipe out some of our exceptionally useful roles early on.

i've been so used to those closed game in another forum where all night-killed players' role are known by scum only. i didn't realise that.

What forum is that?

But it's not, really, because they can still kill who "we" tell them to as long as they're mainly hitting pro-town, but if we want them to hit scum, there's nothing to say they'll try getting out of it somehow.

And then we lynch them!

[PranaDevil]

Well yeah, but I still strongly suggest giving it a day or two to get the most out of the other roles, after all, scum using vig kills any nights prior to a claim are guarenteed to be caught out with it when they're made to claim anyway. Town would be more inclined to hold back to use it when needed most.

[Pomegranate]

Well yeah, but I still strongly suggest giving it a day or two to get the most out of the other roles, after all, scum using vig kills any nights prior to a claim are guarenteed to be caught out with it when they're made to claim anyway.

Town would be more inclined to hold back to use it when needed most.

This sentence confuses me. Do you mean that if a townie is a vig, then he won't kill unless he's sure? Because that's not the case.

I think that if we wait until tomorrow to massclaim, then we should either direct the vig, or we should instruct him not to kill at all.

[DrippingGoofball]

I sniffed Zang and I'm not getting that fresh townie smell.

[PranaDevil]

Well yeah, but I still strongly suggest giving it a day or two to get the most out of the other roles, after all, scum using vig kills any nights prior to a claim are guarenteed to be caught out with it when they're made to claim anyway.

Town would be more inclined to hold back to use it when needed most.

This sentence confuses me. Do you mean that if a townie is a vig, then he won't kill unless he's sure? Because that's not the case.

I think that if we wait until tomorrow to massclaim, then we should either direct the vig, or we should instruct him not to kill at all.

I was meaning they're more likely to not use it, not that they wont.

However, I do agree that we should still direct the vig attack tonight, but without a mass claim, with or without mass claims, we can direct the vig attacks really, as if they don't roll with what town as a whole wishes then they are obviously scum still.

Question is, how do we decide who we "as a town" think should be vig'd? Vote for it would be the best idea to me. It essentially gives us 2 votes per day phase as a town that way.