On top of this, don't SKs usually not have the option to withhold their nightkill. I know it's possible that there was a successful doctor protection or whatever but it's more likely that there just isn't an SK at all, for this and your reason.wolframnhart wrote:The only thing that makes me believe there is no third party is because most normal games that I have played in have a set up usually like:
3 mafia, 1 SK, 8 townies
3 mafia, 1 town vig, 8 townies
I can't think of a time where there was both a town vig and an Sk in a normal game.
Well according to the wiki they are frequently not allowed to forgo their kill, i guess that is left to the mod, however i still don't think it is that way.Damon_Gant wrote:On top of this, don't SKs usually not have the option to withhold their nightkill. I know it's possible that there was a successful doctor protection or whatever but it's more likely that there just isn't an SK at all, for this and your reason.wolframnhart wrote:The only thing that makes me believe there is no third party is because most normal games that I have played in have a set up usually like:
3 mafia, 1 SK, 8 townies
3 mafia, 1 town vig, 8 townies
I can't think of a time where there was both a town vig and an Sk in a normal game.
I did not refuse to provide evidence of easjo being a hypocrite. I posted what I saw in his posts and told others to look and make their own judgments. Try reading the thread. I also did not claim straight-up "vig", and neither did GD, for that matter. If I am pushing hard on peg, it's because I am increasingly frustrated with quoting the actual cop in this actual game and having everyone else either ignore it completely or dismiss it without comment. It seems like the best tool we have to find scum and I can't fathom why anyone would choose to ignore it without analysis.Zodiark13 wrote: Ok, first, I am no longer happy with a PEG lynch. Why? DS is behind it. Think about it. D1, He drops hints about easjo being a hypocrite, and refuses to back it up. D1, we lynched our tracker. D2, he claims vig. D2, we lynch our vig. Now he's pushing really hard for a PEG lynch? When a laidback maybescum pushes, you know it's bad for the town.
No one has asked me to post my role and I wouldn't do it at this point if asked. Complete straw manZodiark13 wrote:Second, anyone notice how, after he claimed he wasn't a vig but a person-who-got-given-a-gun-N1, he hasn't claimed hisactualrole yet?
Why would there be extra NKs? This makes no fucking sense at all. N1 either GD and I targeted the same player or he didn't use his vig power, not that hard to comprehend.Zodiark13 wrote:Third, I don't believe his claim. People seem to forget that GD, though a liar, is still a vig, and there were two NK's N1, not three, and no extra NK's since.
Zodiark13 wrote:Fourth, this whole SAMP investigation speculation seems to me like a tool for DS to influence town opinion. First he claims SAMP checked PEG and got guilty, then in the same post, he claims SAMP checked me and got clean. Now, he's trying to suggest that SAMP checked him and got clean too.
Congratulations, you just confessed to attempting to kill a pro-town role. Until his flip on the morning of D2, you would have had no knowledge that SSK's claim was fake, and you just claimed the kill. There is no pro-town motivation for you killing SSK. I say, what you did is, you agreed with your scumbuddies to kill Magna, then tried to kill SSK with the gun you were given.N1 either GD and I targeted the same player or he didn't use his vig power, not that hard to comprehend.
This very much so. I can think of no justifiable reason to kill mafiassk from ds' perspective.Zodiark13 wrote:Congratulations, you just confessed to attempting to kill a pro-town role. Until his flip on the morning of D2, you would have had no knowledge that SSK's claim was fake, and you just claimed the kill. There is no pro-town motivation for you killing SSK. I say, what you did is, you agreed with your scumbuddies to kill Magna, then tried to kill SSK with the gun you were given.N1 either GD and I targeted the same player or he didn't use his vig power, not that hard to comprehend.
Ummm, yes? Same way I confessed to it immediately on D2? We had a whole discussion about it? Are you two morons serious about this?Zodiark13 wrote: Congratulations, you just confessed to attempting to kill a pro-town role. Until his flip on the morning of D2, you would have had no knowledge that SSK's claim was fake, and you just claimed the kill. There is no pro-town motivation for you killing SSK. I say, what you did is, you agreed with your scumbuddies to kill Magna, then tried to kill SSK with the gun you were given.
Yes, but at the time, you had claimed vig, and therefore had pro-town motovation to NK SSK. However, since then you have re-claimed given-a-gun-night-one. You would have no knowledge that SSK was lying at the time. That discussion was going by you being a vig.Ummm, yes? Same way I confessed to it immediately on D2? We had a whole discussion about it? Are you two morons serious about this?
I see no reason to respond to obviscum inqusition.Also, Zodiark maybescum, why haven't you mentioned any other part of my response to your Giant Post O' Lies? No answers?
One, where have I lied? Two, where have I been attempting to buddy? You, Mr "Cop-breadcrumbed-that-he-got-town-on-you" are the one buddying, hypocrite. Three, why not tell us why you were suspicious of Gant to begin with? Four, anyone for OMGUS?I'm tired of Zodiark's lies, misrep, and blatant attempts at buddying.
I no longer suspect Gant. Peg is AWOL.
unvote. vote:Zodiark
Fixed.So suddenly DS goes from "lynch the gunsmith investigatee" to "lynch someonewho I was trying to tell the gunsmith got clean on less than 10 posts ago."
Now properly fixed thanks to a generous application of Correctness™.So suddenly DS goes from "lynch the gunsmith investigateewho came up guilty" to "lynch the gunsmith investigateewho came up innocent".
What is the difference between a one-shot vig and someone that is given a one-shot vig ability? Nothing. That is why I suspected (correctly) that SSK was lying. Would it have been better for me to out the inventor right away rather than wait as long as possible? I don't think so.Zodiark13 wrote:Yes, but at the time, you had claimed vig, and therefore had pro-town motovation to NK SSK. However, since then you have re-claimed given-a-gun-night-one. You would have no knowledge that SSK was lying at the time. That discussion was going by you being a vig.
Lurking isn't evidence for me. It's the manner in which he has lurked that has made me feel like he is certain scum. He could have at least made a post stating one suspect, that really is not hard. It strongly felt like when he actually did post, he was being deliberately unhelpful, and withholding his thoughts from us.Nachomamma8 wrote:Alright, so if that's how you feel, why are you just complaining about your neutral read and not making any effort to improve on that?
Peg's... being replaced. What evidence do any of you have against him other than the face that he lurked...? Right now, you're pushing on a lynch on someone who has provided zero content to the game, and has done absolutely nothing to help anyone get a read on him. Are you honestly suggesting that you are willing to risk the game on that?
Remind me not to get your gut to do jury duty.I understand that the right lynch based on solid facts is DS, but my gut is telling me not to go with that.
1. StatedZodiark13 wrote: 1. What is your position on the DS lynch?
2. Will the replacements position have an effect on yours? If so, why? If not, why not?
1. I'm all for it, obviously.Zodiark13 wrote:Remind me not to get your gut to do jury duty.I understand that the right lynch based on solid facts is DS, but my gut is telling me not to go with that.
Since almost everyone seems to be waiting for the opinion of the replacement, I'll go ahead and try to provoke some discussion to keep us busy until then with two questions;
1. What is your position on the DS lynch?
2. Will the replacements position have an effect on yours? If so, why? If not, why not?