Open 213 -- Mini Love (Over)

[Yankee]

Again, I would like to apologize to the town in advance before I die today/tonight and hope you guys dont think my playstyle this game was horrible or w/e. I hope you realize why I did what I did by the end of the game.

[Chronopie]

Now that you've outed your lover, I really cannot out mine, or we're screwed by D2.

So Yankee/Wolf are D1(lynch) + N1(suicide)

And (assuming no modkills, and yankee & wolf = town) Me/my lover D2/N2

for a 5T:1S trade off and lylo D3.

Unvote

[TheLoneWolf]

Whelp, you forced my hand Yankee. Quick post before I go to bed.

I think Yankee and Chrono is town, and I know I'm town (and was trying to push a Chrono lynch without being obv-Yankee lover).

Unvote: DLA

DLA is still likely scum because his post ("Yankee is the town lover pair") could have only come from ME, Yankee's lover, or the treacherous lover, or scum who got hints from his treacherous buddy about who his lover is.

Vote: Chronopie

Also whoever said 50% chance is unreliable is foolish. 50% chance at having a nokill at night? That is awesome. Ever seen two non-doc PRs claim and the scum go and kill someone random? Scum are afraid of a nokill.

Also if I am to die, D2 is sealed with Chrono's lynch. And after that all I can say is don't ever touch Nikanor, he's town this game.

[XScorpion]

Also whoever said 50% chance is unreliable is foolish. 50% chance at having a nokill at night? That is awesome. Ever seen two non-doc PRs claim and the scum go and kill someone random? Scum are afraid of a nokill.

I think there's just as much chance that Yankee or you are scum, so it makes more sense to vote for you and hope for the best case scenario that Chrono becomes confirmed town and his lover stays hidden.

[ksen]

And after that all I can say is don't ever touch Nikanor, he's town this game.

Wut?

[DarkLightA]

OBJECTION!
Something's off here.
How do you know who the claimed lovers' partners are? Even Chronopie states that he doesn't think his partner is scum.

I'm guessing by the play of ksen.

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Request #2

I think Yankee's part of the town pair.

I think Chronopie's town, but the partner's scum.

Please explain your reasoning for thinking Yankee is part of the town pair and Chrono is part the treacherous pair.

Because of

you

. I find you very scummy. You bounced right onto my scum list. But thinking about it, the scum don't know who their treacherous lover's lover is... So:

Unvote
Vote: Ksen

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@mod: Is quoting/paraphrasing lover quick topics (not including your, the almighty Mod's, posts) legal?

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We have no options anymore.
Assuming you are the town lover pair, you will die tonight even if we don't lynch you.

unvote
Vote: Yankee

How many times do I have to say it???

@XSCORPION: IF THE TOWN LOVERS ARE KILLED DURING NIGHT, WE KNOW WHO THE SCUM LOVERS ARE!

[CJMiller]

@mod: Is quoting/paraphrasing lover quick topics (not including your, the almighty Mod's, posts) legal?

No. Under Rule 5, I'm calling that QuickTopics are private messages.

[TheLoneWolf]

You're right scorpion, it's the best play. I don't blame town for my lynch today (and we should lynch me not Yankee to show the doc not to protect the scum pair), I blame Yankee.

Again, I would like to apologize to the town in advance before I die today/tonight and hope you guys dont think my playstyle this game was horrible or w/e. I hope you realize why I did what I did by the end of the game.

I realize WHY, but it doesn't make it any more foolish. You forced the lynch today of a d1 scum read. No, even worse, a d1 CONNECTION read that I must be scum together with easjo. Isn't mafia 101 to look at scummy play independently and then make connections? Whatever.

I like what dla pointed out. There is defintely scum between him and ksen.

[XScorpion]

@XSCORPION: IF THE TOWN LOVERS ARE KILLED DURING NIGHT, WE KNOW WHO THE SCUM LOVERS ARE!

Why is this useful? Are you suggesting that it is good for us to (probably) mislynch a townie today, watch the town lovers get killed tonight, make a policy lynch on the scum lovers the next day, then lose another townie the next night, resulting in a 5 town for 1 scum trade?

Personally I'd rather take my chances and hope that I can lynch the scum lover today (50% accuracy is a lot higher chance to hit scum than you will get aiming for a goon), then have a confirmed townie tomorrow, which means a 2-for-1 trade and gives town the power of a confirmed townsperson.

[XScorpion]

Because of you. I find you very scummy. You bounced right onto my scum list. But thinking about it,

the scum don't know who their treacherous lover's lover is... So:

This is only true if Chrono is scum. Is that what you think?

[Chronopie]

Now that Yankee/Wolf are outed, but my pair is still Me/?, and my partner hasn't breadcrumbed...

Vote:Wolf

Doc protect me tonight, and we'll see what flips we get before we lynch me / don't.

[XScorpion]

whatever.

unvote
Vote: LoneWolf

[Chronopie]

Because of you. I find you very scummy. You bounced right onto my scum list. But thinking about it,

the scum don't know who their treacherous lover's lover is... So:

This is only true if Chrono

's partner

is scum. Is that what you think?

Edited for accuracy. If my lover is scum, the mafia now knows all 4 lovers in the game. If I were scum (I'm not) they would have just the yankee/wolf pair, and 1 unknown (atleast until night).

[XScorpion]

That's precisely what I'm trying to say.
If your lover is scum, and they know who their lover is, then they know you are the treacherous lover's lover since they know the other pair.
If you are scum, they don't know who the treacherous lover (that would be you)'s lover is.

DLA's claim was that the treacherous lover's lover is unknown, which we both know is only true if you are scum.

[TheLoneWolf]

Doctor do NOT protect Chrono tonight, that is the point of my flipping.

Sorry for my earlier post, I had just woken up and wasn't full of rage yet.

Yankee, your play may just have SINGE-HANDEDLY lost town the game because of your weak read D1. You should've just kept your pants on like Chrono. I mean, what about my play individually did you feel scummy? You really thought you were going to nail two scum (me+Easjo) that quickly off D1? Sheesh. I hope you learned something anyway, that's the best I can hope for.

Here's how things are going to go down:
D1: Lynch me, flip town
N1: Protect non-Chrono (Nikanor's town I swear)
D2: ZOMGLYNCH CHRONO! Hopefully town holds off and analyzes Chrono's lover's interactions D1. That is literally the ONLY information town will have going into...
D3: LYLO. With the only information being a doctor, (who can be CC'd), a hopefully stopped NK, and D1 interactions between scumlover and friends.

Quick days are how scum win games more often than not. Nikanor saw this in Precision Mafia, there were no vote count analysis to work off of in LyLo. That is how our Lylo is going to be, and I'll be damned if we manage to catch scum.

Ok now in all seriousness, I'm not 100% on Nikanor town. If the doctor dies tonight and Nikanor DOESN'T die N2, he might be scum.

I say he's town because he hates being scum and doesn't put much effort into scum games at all. You all might think post-flip "Nikanor was trying to look good by saying he thought TLW was town." Not likely. ScumNika would've jumped at the chance to lynch me, especially when it is the "best play" (i.e. nulltell for doing it.) Instead he is trying in vain to figure out this game and actually hunt scum.

Good luck Nikanor. I was looking forward to nailing scum with you this game, but what could I have done in this situation?

Probably my last post, I have other games where I'm needed.

Unvote: Scum

Vote: TheLoneWolf

My first and hopefully last self-vote here on MS.

Bang.

[Chronopie]

oh right, I get you Wolf.

But if Yankee is teh scum, they'd just NK me and kill off two more town.

[Chronopie]

Also, Me/My partner would have been a better sacrifice than Yankee/Wolf.

I'd already been getting town readings from Wolf, Yankee'd claimed, and my partner... well... If I claimed Him/Her, you'd understand.

@Mod: Got Henry and Looker replacements yet?

I'd like to hear from any replacements before day's end.

[XScorpion]

Yankee's claim could be scum trying to force town into revealing all the lovers. And look what's happened, town is now in a horrible position.
Yankee may also be right in that easjo is scum with Lonewolf, although I think that might be pushing it.
Either way, there's a fair chance that they are the scum pair.

Meanwhile I'm pretty sure you're town, and your null read on your partner is kind of useless to us, so I'd rather take my chances with the other team.

Doctor do NOT protect Chrono tonight, that is the point of my flipping.

Uh wow, no? If you or Yankee are scum, then they are going to kill Chrono tonight and we're minus 3 townies instead of 2. Chrono must be protected tonight if we're going to lynch you two.

[Robocopter87]

unvote vote DoItRiley

Why? Because he hasn't post for a while now and is lurking. I still think we can lynch a lurker and be good. Then if a lover pair is killed at Night we know whothe scum pair are. Simple as that. We would know exactly who the treacherous lover is paired with and kill them if we feel it neccesary. I say if we feel it neccesary because we might not want to get rid of another townie.

[XScorpion]

Besides the fact that he's lurking, has he actually done anything that you think is particularly scummy?
I am not up for voting for lurkers. We are already taking a big enough gamble by having so many lover claims to take yet another risk and vote out someone who is lurking.

[Robocopter87]

His last post post was April 8th at 6:45. Right when he was getting a little heat.

[Yankee]

Why would I be scum pushing for my own lynch on Day one when I could have easily just sat back and blended in? It wouldnt make much sense. So in that case, if TheLoneWolf does flip town (which I will be eternally sorry to him) then that means that the treach is in the chrono set meaning that the doctor should NOT protect Chrono and should instead protect another person.

[Yankee]

By the way, can we get a vote count before I unvote and vote for TheLoneWolf?

[Nikanor]

So I don't see why Wolf is getting lynched.
I'm just about ready to say 'Fuck it' and go for an easjo lynch.

[Nikanor]

Yankee, stop being paranoid about your lover. You did this last game, too. You claimed H_H as your partner and then tried to self-hammer, saying that you thought H_H was scum (for reasons that I will never comprehend). I feel like the same thing is going on in this game. The fact that there is a 50% chance your partner is scum is getting to you.