Open 215 - Gurgi EC8 - Game Show Mafia, Over

[wolframnhart]

Hello all my adoring fans!

Let's see i recognize Farside, VRk, and holy crude Sensfan. Hello you three!

Annndddd

vote Mr. Sandman

cuz you never bring me a dream.

[wolframnhart]

Yea, what you are missing is that the cops are weak, if they investigate a mafia member they die, so we won't know who they investigated.

[wolframnhart]

unvote, vote Sensfan

A player of your caliber would have read the rules and roles and realized this.

[wolframnhart]

The one thing i find not good about the cop or cops if we even have any is that if they claim who they are going to investigate that doesn't mean the mafia won't use that to their advantage.

EX:
Say Farside is a cop, and she says she is going to invstigate MrSandman because she thinks he is town.
Option 1:
MrSandman is town, the mafia knows this and kills Farside to make it seem like Sandman is mafia, quick lynch next day, if there are no other cops that would be mafia's game (8 alive, lynch town unless we get lucky, 7 at night, Far dies, 6 alive, sand dies, 5 left, mafia knight kills and wins)
Option 2:
MrSandman is mafia, lets farside investigate him and kills off a different person. That leave 5 the next morning, and using WIFOM mafia could maybe, just maybe, get people to not lynch mrsandman and instead lynch a townie and they win.

Either way it doesn't seem like a clear way to win.

[wolframnhart]

@Farside
Ok i gotcha on option one and two. To me it seems to benefit scum with the WIFOM argument.

[wolframnhart]

thought I had, obv not though. You are right i misread it seems.

unvote

[wolframnhart]

I'm not trying to smeer weak cop info with WIFOM, i'm just saying WIFOM is going to play a big part in this set up, but go ahead and vote me if you want.

[wolframnhart]

Hmm...I was trying to write out how it would, but i guess it wouldn't.

Farside cop investigate MrSandman scum, if the scum team doesn't kill someone then they could try and pass off the cop death as WIFOM, but if they kill someone else then it would be obvious that MrSandman was scum, his death would go through next day, then the following day would be to try to find the partner.

I don't see option two as a way to cause WIFOM after all, unless i haven't thought of something.

[wolframnhart]

and of course that is assuming there even is a weak cop, there is a chance for 0 weak cop.

[wolframnhart]

@Cirno

So is it strong enough of a gut to leave the vote where it is? Is there nothing you want to ask farside to see if your gut is right?

[wolframnhart]

Ok this is probably gonna sound bad but i'm gonna say it anyways, what about no lynching today?

6 town two scum
no lynch tonight, hypo claim
either 1 person dies to mafia kill and we get 0-3claims next day leaving us with
5 town two scum and either claims to help narrow down field, or no claims and we are back to square one.

Of course there is always the possibility that there is an extra 1-2 kills at night depending on how many, if any, cops we have and who they investigate, they could unfortunately depending on how many cops we have (lets say three) chances are slim but they might accidently target a mafia each, leaving us with three deaths at night, waking up to a 3 town two scum next morning, but if that happened i think that would wrap the game up from there. I dunno if I am thinking this out correctly though. Any thoughts?

[wolframnhart]

Right, lying scum will always be a problem, and the biggest part of the problem is we don't know how many, if any, cops we even have.

[wolframnhart]

I'm fine if we popcorn.

[wolframnhart]

one person starts with the hypo claim, then picks teh next person to go, then that person picks teh next, etc etc till everyone claims.

[wolframnhart]

Why not cirno?

[wolframnhart]

How many Psuedovotes should I wait on before popcorning?

[wolframnhart]

Fair enough

Tonight I will investigate Cirno.

SensFan you go next.

[wolframnhart]

@VRK

Going mostly off gut at this time. Cirno doesn't scream townie to me, but doesn't ping my scumdar right now.

[wolframnhart]

Alright so now we have our popcorn hypo claim investigation list down. Should we proceed with the no lynch plan? Or talk some more and wait for Cirno and Mavsfan to chip in?

[wolframnhart]

@Farside

he was on at the time.

As far as the scummy part I would have to agree with MrSandman, not really liking mavsfan at this time.

Also why did you pick VRK?

[wolframnhart]

She asked me not to tell. I will leave it up to her. Though why she would share a link with her other name in there makes little sense to me.

She asked you not to tell? When?

[wolframnhart]

That was more of a question to Farside, but i will let it pass, will also be trying to find this ongoing game.

[wolframnhart]

As of now I find Sensfan to be townie. I like his questions and don't have and bad vibes from him. Farside appears townie to me, but last time i thought that of her she was a GF, so I keep an open mind around her now.

[wolframnhart]

Alright, i believe i found the game you are talking about Cirno, but i didn't see anything in an ISO of you were you told farside to not tell about your avatar. Your posting there was also much different from here.

[wolframnhart]

I dunno why i posted avatar when i meant account, oh well.

Point taken about the posting though.

[wolframnhart]

Yea that's the game I thought she was talking about. though linking an ongoing game? Tsk Tsk Farside

We got some very quiet players atm though, and a quiet mod. Wasn't he suspposed to be back by now?

[wolframnhart]

vote no lynch

[wolframnhart]

FoS Chnorek

I will hold off on the vote for now but I think with as big a discussion the hypo claim was that mavsfan would have paid attention to it, but like farside i would like to hear from others.

[wolframnhart]

I think another popcorn isn't a bad idea, not so much a mass claim. Reason being is that I think a mass claim might give scum more of a chance to counter claim that could cause more damage in the long run, but a popcorn hypo claim again would be a little more tricky.

[wolframnhart]

I think i know what VRK is saying but i will let him answer.

[wolframnhart]

chnorek do you have anything to say about the night kill? The discussion that has gone on today?

[wolframnhart]

I will vote after the hypoclaim just to make sure it happens.

I will investigate VRK

[wolframnhart]

Hell yes I would have something to say about the night kill. I would be fighting tooth and nail to prevent my lynch if i was you.

Also your post makes no sense. You say the game will end before day three, that we should leave discussion for who is scum for the next day (even though apparently we won't have one) and that your flip would help build connections. If the game will end before day 3 how will your flip help anything?

[wolframnhart]

if we are going to do the hypo claim again let's get the rest going, this game is stalling badly.

[wolframnhart]

@VRK

If Cirno, Sens and I are alive tomorrow in LyLo I'm going to have a hell of a time deciding who to vote for.

Why would you assume that you three would be the possible people in tomorrow?

[wolframnhart]

I'm fine with voting Chnorek, but i at least want to see if he will answer VRK at all (i doubt it but hey stranger things have happened).

[wolframnhart]

vote Chronek

I don't see a need to drag this day out.

[wolframnhart]

VRK was investigating SensFan, there we go.

vote SensFan

[wolframnhart]

well had there been only one WC today would have been a little tougher, because aside from that first vote I gave you Sens (which you explained on why i was wrong) I didn't ping you as scum at all, and of course you knew i wasnt a WC because I didn't die after "investigating you." The strat was good with the investigations, but I don't think it will work every time. Also do you think the no lynch day 1 really helped out the town more?

[wolframnhart]

Yea after i suggested the no lynch i was kinda regretting it because i didn't consider the possibilities, was just pure luck we got scum both nights.

[wolframnhart]

Well town won. Victory. Let's leave it at that and celebrate good times!