Lay of Leithian Mafia: Game Over!

[Iecerint]

SF, I address that issue in the subsequent sentence (i.e. right after your quote cuts off).

I'd personally forgotten Jack's point. Even if she ultimately got the roles, though, it's still plausible that SF would doubt she could derive a meta from 10 posts (not to mention that SF could plausibly not know she PM'd the mod to get the roles).

Vote Count 24: Lynch

xvart - 3 - Kmd4390, FeFiFoFum, Anon
xofelf -

8

- SensFan, Papa Zito, xvart, SpyreX, Cobalt, Cyberbob, ooba, Steam-Powered Shovel
Jack - 1 - curiouskarmadog,
Cobalt - 1 - Starbuck
Steam-Powered Shovel - 7 - farside22, SocioPath, MehPlusRawr, Drippereth, Jack, Iecerint, Budja,
FeFiFoFum - 1 - J-Scope
Ooba - 1 - Elmocrates
Drippereth - 1 - Elscouta
Elscouta - 1 - Nachomamma8

Not Voting (1): xofelf,

With 25 players alive it'll take 13 to lynch and 13 to no-Lynch.

There are no players in the

Halls of Mandos

, so right now there are no

Revive

or

Destroy

counts.

[SocioPath]

I think the SPS wagon is a good one and that I shall hop on it.

[SpyreX]

Have you been reading my posts, like at all? I said all along I had no completed game off-site. I even said in the post where I linked to the game why it's completely useless meta-wise.

Honeslty? Not really. I look, see its meta junk, then move on.

HOWEVER, when the lines were drawn at what sure appeared to be "this is unquestionable lying by xoelf" and then the evidence suggests this is not unquestionable by any means I kinda raise an eye.

[Kmd4390]

As much as I hate "I'm still here" posts......














I'm still here.

[Drippereth]

I'm still here.

And you're still scum. We shall kill you. Somehow.

[SensFan]

HOWEVER, when the lines were drawn at what sure appeared to be "this is unquestionable lying by xoelf" and then the evidence suggests this is not unquestionable by any means I kinda raise an eye.

How is "I have meta on Sens from offsite games" not unquestionable lying when the game never ended, I posted 8 times during the game, and the roles were never revealed?

[SpyreX]

How is "I have meta on Sens from offsite games" not unquestionable lying when the game never ended, I posted 8 times during the game, and the roles were never revealed?

Ehh I'm not going to even pretend to really care and if I had my way I'd just kill the both of you and be done with it.

The GNE game (I didn't look) but if its 8 posts then it alone isn't anything.

However, she's saying there's this bevy of games that the meta is from. You say that is absolutely impossible.

On TOP of the fact this is white noise that really can't be determined AND the fact its about meta all I care about is the adamant stance you've taken. Thats the part that makes me want to see one of you dangle - and, since xo isn't playing, she can dangle better.

[SpyreX]

THAT SAID:

There's a serious disconnect this game. A game this large, 25 pages in and I don't even have A player that I look at and go "hot damn 100% A+ town" which is waaaayyyy offbase.

To closest I have to that is cyberbob.

Normally at this point at least a handful of players will opt to raise that there town flag and give some direction.

Why is it so hard THIS game?

[Budja]

I really dislike this implication that one of Sens/xofelf is scum because of the lying thing. A lot of this could be down to subjective views/misremembering and the taboo personal issues.
(I'm with those who dislike the lurking but don't care less about the meta debate)

That said, I am at least happy in the fact that wagons are actually forming.

[Elscouta]

Am I the only one who thought by reading Drippereth post #569-571:

"ok, i succeeded in launching a wagon on xofelf. It is running full steam, so with the deadline nearing, she will probably be lynched. Now, I can just hop out of the wagon to get town points. Also, I shouldn't explain why xofelf is town, so that I don't run the risk of the wagon losing steam".

You call this reasoning?

I call this the last opportunistic move of Drippereth, that always moved with the flow of the town, and never granted serious reasoning.

[Steam-Powered Shovel]

I really dislike this implication that one of Sens/xofelf is scum because of the lying thing. A lot of this could be down to subjective views/misremembering and the taboo personal issues.

I think this type of thing often is, but SensFan is taking a very strong stance here and I'm quite willing to believe him. I think xofelfscum was hoping we'd just chalk it up to personal disagreement and leave it at that.

Jack, stop being useless.

Am I just being bandwagonned for playing my normal game here or does anyone have a real argument against me?

[ooba]

@Papa Zito: Fair enough.

Is that [insert lame OMGUS counter-argument here] OMGUS, or are you claiming that someone has OMGUS'd somewhere? Cuz I dun think you ever attacked me, and I don't think Jack attacked Elmo.

Hey, Iecerint, why didn't you follow up on this?

Got to go read both SPS and elscouta again but happy with where my vote currently is.

[Jack]

Am I just being bandwagonned for playing my normal game here or does anyone have a real argument against me?

Yes: gut.

[Iecerint]

CB got me off-track IIRC. I guess it's a little odd that PZ didn't answer me outright in retrospect.

[SpyreX]

I think its about that time.

Hear ye' all those single voters (and not voters my LORD):

Its time to man up. Pick a direction and go.

We need to start cleansing and the best way to do that is with sweet delicious fire.

[xofelf]

mmkay i went back and looked through Dripp's posts and realized that's not whom i meant.. just the name stuck out when i was looking through the list of people >.<
So i'll have to get back on who i really meant. I was just popping in really quick to see if there was anything i wanted/needed to address immediately.
I'll stop in again on Monday when i have more time.

[Jack]

Scummier and scummier. Your just soooo casual about the wagon on you, aren't you. You probably made up that bit about putting the wrong name down.

Remarkably we've come up with 2 good wagons out of this day.

[Cobalt]

mmkay i went back and looked through Dripp's posts and realized that's not whom i meant.. just the name stuck out when i was looking through the list of people >.<
So i'll have to get back on who i really meant. I was just popping in really quick to see if there was anything i wanted/needed to address immediately.
I'll stop in again on Monday when i have more time.

[Elscouta]

Unvote, Vote: xofelf

K. You convinced me.

[Drippereth]

KMD and Elscouta are scum. Just sayin'

[Jack]

Unvote, Vote: xofelf

K. You convinced me.

What convinced you?

[J-Scope]

@Xofelf:

I never said you had a meta either. Because, you're right, you don't. BUT the way you respond to everything is different each game depending on alignment in every case i've seen.

Are you saying that he responds in a similar way when he's town in different games? How is that not meta? What is your definition of meta?

Also, did you count the games NOT on this site that you and i have played?

You say game

s

, as in multiple games. How many were you thinking of when you made that claim?

I never said games that were finished.

Is this about the mod abandoned GNE game only? Or are there unfinished games on this site? If they were also unfinished, how did you know his alignment?

About Jack, i think it's the way he posts as if he's a bystander rather than actually playing.

What posts look like he's a bystander? Or are there posts missing from his game that would make him not look like a bystander? What things is he not being involved in? How are you not a bystander, since you haven't commented on wagons like xvart, SPS?

Unless you have a perfect memory of every single thing you have said over the phone or via IM, you have no 100% guarantee that you never said anything.

This is literally a "he said, she said" point. I don't know how any of us could side with one person over the other in this aspect of the debate.

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This is Jahudo, Faraday is under the weather. I'm about ready to move our vote off FeFiFoFlaker, but I gotta see how he feels about SPS. And I gotta look at him again too.

[Anon]

Getting back my internetz.

Well, this doesn't justify your 6-man scumlist that you just posted. Did you add more names just to look more scumhunting? I understand how it felt necessary as you never contributed anything else than votes.

How it doesnt justify it? Did you at least read what I said about them?

Anon pattern of voting :
- OMG Elscouta has claimed scum. He must be scum. Vote : Elscouta
<Elscouta explains himself, wagon loses steam>
- OMG Xvart has attacked Elscouta for having claimed scum. Vote : xvart

Wait. Where did I say that I voted xvart for attacking you?

....

Mehplusrawr case in 298 is extremely lame. Welcome to the scum club.

The rest were unhelpful, or the one that changed bandwagons. I call him either anti-town or scummy, and either way is a good lynch.

Not.sincere.scumhunting.

lol at Spyrex hating meta. Foruntalely for you, 607 and 608 came just in time.

Seriously, one of xoxelf and sensfan needs to replace out. Big distraction FTL. Its an stupid argument that escalated from not a conclusive scumtell. I dont buy the one of these guys is lying since its stupid for one of them to do it in DAY 1. Xoxelf not having a decent suspect is more likely a direct consequence of being forced into defense mode. That said, I want her to replace out or start playing the scumhunting game.

Elscouta needs moar voting. Like seriously. All his voting and reasons to support are terrible. See previous case in my iso for more.

Bonus: Not against the SPS wagoning but I sincrely think Elscouta needs some massive lynching. Also where the hell is xvart?

Also Elvis is still scum.

[Anon]

Oh fuck it, deadline is in two days.

Vig, please kill Escoulta.

Unvote Vote: SPS.

I forgot to add that kmd is also scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

I forgot to add that kmd is also scum.

Thank you.

Also, we need 5 more votes to lynch the Shovel.