hohum ~ L-3 (Vi, xRECKONERx, Percy)
Percy ~ L-4 (hohum, Amished)
Sotty7 ~ L-5 (Debonair Danny DiPietro)
Jahudo ~ L-5 (Jack)
Not Voting:
You just got done pushing Reck on a double standard where he didn't have much involvement with Ort so why is that telling for me and not for Reck? What about the other players that didn't have much interaction with Ort? Because if you take the tone part out of Triple D's case, that's all that's left. So enlighten me why you would vote me over anyone else who is basically in the same boat as me?Jahudo Post 645 wrote:Apart from my Amished vote, I like DDD's case on Sotty the most. She largely ignored ortolan only to jump on late with little reasoning. I don't understand the tone part but otherwise its a good case, so my vote would be there if it wasn't where it is.
Vi wrote:I've certainly seen hohum as a bad Townie before, but he was slightly better than thisJack 624 wrote:I read the game amished linked too and now I'm getting the feel that hohum is a bad townie scapegoat. Of course, he could be mafia just like he could be just a bad townie scapegoat. But I don't have the feel of it.
Actually, I don't think I've ever seen hoscum.
I wouldn't be against a Jahudo lynch if it came to it. kyle99 needed it and Jahudo hasn't particularly been SuperTown.
Vi wrote:Nya, I've been lost since before crunch time D1. It's not your fault.Amished 640 wrote:Sorry Vi; I want to get a feel for people in the game while I'm here rather than extrapolating from the rest of the game.
So you're calling Percy+Jahudo?I'm not against a Jahudo lynch; Percy is kind of iffy just based on intuition/the usual craplogic that sounds good at the time.
That's without reading your posts, mind.
These two quotes:Sotty7 wrote:But still I would like to know what singles me out over the others.
Sotty7 wrote:Ort seems to just fall into his hohum vote after being goaded into it. He also quickly abandons it. I don't like that that whole exchange.
The first is made after the event happens, and you don't say why you don't like the exchange and you haven't called it scummy yet. The second is after Vi votes ortolan, and without acknowledging that something in the event had changed for you, you call it scummy. No further explanation.Sotty7 wrote:The way Ort fell into his Hohum vote and then abandoned it is scummy to me.
Oh, so there's two scumpartners?Vi wrote:Open question. How likely is it that Cobalt was bussed by both scumpartners, given the circumstances?
That's not a town tell.Locke wrote:As for Ortolan, I think he's made some easy votes on Reckoner and Flinter and hasn't offered much else.
His opinion on ortolan's activity changes. Before he said ortolan hasn't offered much else (see: active lurking), but then says ortolan hasn't been lurking a great deal. No explanation of why he changed his mind.Locke wrote:I also really don't see the ortolan case. I agree with his earlier point about Reckoner's style as town and I don't think he's been lurking a great deal either.
Here he defends ortolan's easy votes, whereas the first quote he didn't go out of his way to call it a null read.Locke wrote:you suggested that ortolan going after the VIs was scummy; on the same grounds, what do you make of ekiM's early post where he listed kyle, Reck and myself in his scummy category?
You can argue that I joined her Locke vote I guess. (Though in truth, I believe ekim raised the points first.)Vi wrote: Zachrulez - I'm not entirely sure why he did the following:
*Teamed up with Sotty (household jokes aside) by defending her and joining her votes
Tbh, when I saw that quote I pointed out in the vote post my immediate reaction chainsaw defense, and I dropped Jack down on my scumlist thinking him more likely to be town based on that. After thinking it over, I still don't like Flinter/Jack's play, and Locke Lamora was also pinging my scumdar with those active defenses of Ortolan.Vi wrote:*Unvoted Jahudo based on what Jack did
Probably has a lot to do with the fact that he actually hasn't said anything in a while. I will say that I don't like the lurking, and I'm liking him less on re-read.Vi wrote:*Not commented on hohum for quite the long while when he voted Cobalt for essentially what he's doing now
Was I supposed to wait?Vi wrote:Not-really-simulposted by DDD "hinting" at me.
Why jump to Jahudo now?
Vi in iso 41 wrote:Sorry, I still like ortolan+Locke Lamora.If (note "if") Zach and Jahudo acquiesce to an ortolynch - which shouldn't be a decision that would take long to make on their parts - that puts him up to 6; quite a bit more considerable a possibility. Since I have a stronger scumread on ortolan, I would be much more pleased with a lynch thattaway and would gladly take whatever consequences may come of it.
(Full disclosure: I'm well aware that if hohum is lynched and flips scum I'm going to look extremely bad. I don't care.)
Vi in Iso 53 wrote:I actually said that ortolan was going after easy wagons, not VIs. Offhand I don't have a problem with that particular post; however, I suspect that if ekiM is scum, kyle is not (based on that post). ekiM was joining Jack's vote for kyle; aside from orto jumping late on the Jack/flinter wagons (twice) they haven't voted for each other so far. ekiM/Jack/orto sounds fairly plausible ta me; the only Town read it contradicts is the one I had on flinter (not Jack)LL 485 wrote:Vi: you suggested that ortolan going after the VIs was scummy; on the same grounds, what do you make of ekiM's early post where he listed kyle, Reck and myself in his scummy category?and I don't have any particular scum reads outside that beyond Locke Lamora (which isn't strong enough to hold on to at this point)and kyle (who as I said I want to reserve judgment on).
So yeah. I don't normally do associative deduction but this actually works out really nicely.
On day 1 you seemed to not have much of a problem with seeing Locke Lamora and Ortolan as scum together. What's stopped you from following up on Ortolan's flip and pushing Locke?Vi in more recent iso 74 wrote:
Amished - I really don't have a reason to suspect Amished, and considering that he kept on digging through the game while there was a threat to lynch him I'd say he's working with Town motivation.In addition, I don't think that L. Lamora was that scummy, despite Sotty's protests to the contrary and him winding up on the wrong side of the ortolan wagon.
Here Amished pretty much says that it's a null tell for him. Further, his activity has kinda sputtered out ever since he made the post where he explained the reads. (Though to be fair everyone's activity pretty much has.)Amished wrote:How about I'm still not finished catching up (have 3-4 pages left) and I'm fucking getting there. I'll explain everything when I'm caught up.
Also, I love how I'm being attacked by Percy basically blindly from what I skimmed of his attack on me. Instead of waiting and seeing if I had any points to refute he just goes right into attack mode instead of knowing that he's innocent.
I'll finish up tonight (it's still been under 24 hours with sleep and work that I've been in this game and I'm getting attacked for not being 100% into it, Jesus Christ you people!) so just have some damn patience.
Also, just to point out how stupid the "rhetoric" argument is by Percy (pretty much all I caught from him while tired, I replace into pretty much every game like that. Scum and Town; and then explain my reads while I'm done. I've gotten lynched for it once, Sotty (I believe) can attest to that as a recent example.
You can stop right the fuck there. I haven't been around today for page 27 so from page 24 in an 11 player game but whatever (3 pages, 25 posts per page, 75 posts total). 75/11 is roughly 7 (so if everything was equal, I should have 7 posts).Zachrulez wrote:
Here Amished pretty much says that it's a null tell for him. Further, his activity has kinda sputtered out ever since he made the post where he explained the reads. (Though to be fair everyone's activity pretty much has.)
O RLY?Percy wrote:Describing me as "going after an easy target" when it comes to any of the three playerslots he mentioned (xRx, flinter, hohum) is flatly untrue. I didn't vote xRx untilafterthe wagon had disappeared, Inevervoted flinter (and in fact spent most of the day saying how I couldn't make heads or tails of her), and to call hohum an "easy target" is ridiculous.
Attacking him when he was at L-2; yep, you never went after him when there was a bandwagon around... You bringing up your vote is a clever ruse to make it look like I'm wrong, but your intention to vote him was there despite the lack of vote at the height of his bandwagon. Also, somebody who has barely 10 more posts than I do throughout the game is an easy target, I don't care what you say.Percy in ISO 2 wrote:I don't want to put xRx at L-1 yet, but I understand that early bandwagons are designed to pile on the pressure, and xRx has reacted poorly. His "Unvote whoops well are you going to kill me because if not let's forget it ever happened" is another example of that.
I'm sure you don't. I do, and that's all that matters cause it's a scumtell for you; and you're doing it.Percy wrote:Amished has accused me of being overdefensive, but I don't think that's the case.
Look at Percy attacking me in 602 saying I'm coming out all guns'a'blazing and that I have a lot of empty rhetoric when all I did was declare him scum for reasons to be explained after I caught up. This is also in reference to the "overdefensive" thing that I called him out on. I didn't even make a case at that point and he attacked me. If anybody calls that town behavior, I'll come to your house and kick a puppy over a fence that I built in your front yard.Jahudo in 645 wrote:-quote by me pointing out Percy saying lashing out at anyone who attacked the original player is a scumtell-What's this reffering to? I couldn't find anything two pages from when that quote was made, or the last two pages overall.
I know there's somewhere recently where Percy said he doesn't really put much stock in meta or some-such-nonsense...Percy in ISO 3 wrote:I don't like hohum's play so far. Sound and fury, signifying nothing, excused with belligerent "I'll pressure who I want!". I find it scummy. If he has played like this before as town, I'd appreciate a link.
I was pretty surprised by it given that it didn't make an appearance in any previous game we've played together.Amished wrote:
@Zach: Not normally, but this is a fun game and when I'm relaxed and screwing around with friends I have a foul mouth. As I've played with the majority of people here, I feel relaxed around you all. Except scum, you can die in a fire (gogo VP Baltar reference ) Is there a point to your question or are you going to do something productive?
Whoa, this is a great point. Excellent, even.Amished wrote:Attacking him when he was at L-2; yep, you never went after him when there was a bandwagon around... You bringing up your vote is a clever ruse to make it look like I'm wrong, but your intention to vote him was there despite the lack of vote at the height of his bandwagon. Also, somebody who has barely 10 more posts than I do throughout the game is an easy target, I don't care what you say.