Lay of Leithian Mafia: Game Over!

[Elscouta]

xofelf and SensFan issue seems to be more of a distraction than a scum tell. I understand people that called xofelf instead of both, because SensFan posts looked trying to defuse the situation.

I have bad vibes on lecerint. Secret towntell? What's the point of announing it? Just to show that you are town/scumhunting?
I still dislike most posts of Drippereth. 352 especially.
Anon turned lurking. That's making me very unhappy. I might be forced to move my vote to someone else though, as the deadline is nearing, but i'm not fond of the current propositions.

MehPlusRawr is useless.

Vote Count 17: Lynch

Starbuck - 1 - PaltryExcuse
xvart -

5

- Budja, Kmd4390, FeFiFoFum, Anon, Jack
Anon - 1 - Elscouta
xofelf - 4 - SensFan, Drippereth, Papa Zito, xvart
Jack - 4 - SpyreX, curiouskarmadog, Steam-Powered Shovel, Elmocrates
Cyberbob - 2 - Cobalt, Iecerint
Papa Zito - 1 - ooba
Cobalt - 2 - Cyberbob, Starbuck
Steam-Powered Shovel - 3 - farside22, SocioPath, MehPlusRawr,
FeFiFoFum - 1 - J-Scope

Not Voting (1): xofelf

With 25 players alive it'll take 13 to lynch and 13 to no-Lynch.

There are no players in the

Halls of Mandos

, so right now there are no

Revive

or

Destroy

counts.

[Iecerint]

Point of announcing it is that I had thought that Jack was scum, and now I think he is town. Also, other people (SX) think Jack is scum for similar reasons, so giving that information may help them evaluate his behavior. In other words, the point of announcing it is not different from the point of announcing any other read-related information.

How do you think I should have dealt with that issue?

[Papa Zito]

Someone give me the xvart case. I remember thinking it was weird and not knowing what it was about.

[Elscouta]

Point of announcing it is that I had thought that Jack was scum, and now I think he is town. Also, other people (SX) think Jack is scum for similar reasons, so giving that information may help them evaluate his behavior. In other words, the point of announcing it is not different from the point of announcing any other read-related information.

How do you think I should have dealt with that issue?

I don't see why announcing "secret town read" would change other people mind. I don't think you should have announced it at all, or as "his last post made me change opinion on him".

Also, why do you feel a scum would be more likely to say "nice try" to Jack, than a townie?

[Iecerint]

It might change people's minds, or it might at least influence them, or it might not. Or it might just provide information for others to analyze given a flip. Its function is not different from any other sort of tell AFAIK. Failing to mention it is bad because those functions are no longer served.

A "secret towntell/scumtell" is a valid tell that cannot be elaborated on because of the rules of the board. In other words, it's not necessarily something specific to a recent post of Jack's. (Or are you saying I should lie about the cause of the read change? This is a serious question, not rhetorical.)

Pointing out that a daykill is fake makes scum less tense and less likely to slip up. Town have no reason to point it out prematurely whatsoever.

[Elscouta]

No, I thought it was a tell in his post that you didn't want to elaborate. I don't want to discuss it if it's something out of game.

[SpyreX]

What rationale does a suspected scum town have for faking a daykill?

If you say lol, reactions I swear.

[Cobalt]

faking daykills is supertown

[SpyreX]

How? Why?

(Ohh lord you almost got me to use a meta argument BUT I KNOW BETTER)

[Iecerint]

There's nothing anti-town or scummy about faking a daykill AFAIK. Why do you think it's anti-town/scummy?

[Jack]

I have bad vibes on lecerint. Secret towntell? What's the point of announing it? Just to show that you are town/scumhunting?

If you change your mind it's a good idea to at least say that you have when you do.

[SpyreX]

What purpose (besides lol, reactions) does faking a daykill when there are actual things going on serve besides as a distraction?

[Iecerint]

"Reactions" is a legitimate reason to do something so long as (unlike, say, lampshading cop crumbs) that something isn't anti-town or scummy. I've seen players claim scum after faked daykills (cf. Lazy Neighborhood mafia's D1 lynch.).

[Cobalt]

How? Why?

(Ohh lord you almost got me to use a meta argument BUT I KNOW BETTER)

because I do it and I'm always town
seriously, think of a scum motivation to fake a daykill

[Iecerint]

(EBWOP: Is an extreme example, but it addresses your implicit thesis that no one takes daykills seriously, so they are not useful to gauge reactions.)

[Jack]

"Purpose" is another buzzword.

[Papa Zito]

seriously, think of a scum motivation to fake a daykill

Why, so the scum can say

because I do it and I'm always town

and

faking daykills is supertown

and

There's nothing anti-town or scummy about faking a daykill AFAIK.

my dear Cobalt.

[Iecerint]

^ Yes, it is possible for scum to fake a daykill to "look town." That does not mean that faking a daykill is anti-town or scummy, which is what SX is implying.

[SpyreX]

Damnit Cobalt.

But, no.

I want a for reallies answer to this:

"Purpose" is another buzzword.

How is purpose a buzzword?
What have you done that is directly positive and advances the goal of finding scum at all this game?

----

Why is it SOO HARD to get a real push here, I'm losing my mind.

[Cobalt]

are you talking to me, spyrex? because I already found you the scum in cyberbob

[SpyreX]

No, the question was for Jack to answer.

The damnit was more at the fact I know you've faked daykills as scum. But, no. I will not.

[Jack]

What have you done that is directly positive and advances the goal of finding scum at all this game?

I'm voting for scum. Maybe I should start talking in all caps about how no one else is voting them. That would be some purposeful content :arrow:

[Cobalt]

No, the question was for Jack to answer.

The damnit was more at the fact I know you've faked daykills as scum. But, no. I will not.

yeah, I should have included an addendum that only I rule enough to fake daykills as scum

[Papa Zito]

^ Yes, it is possible for scum to fake a daykill to "look town." That does not mean that faking a daykill is anti-town or scummy, which is what SX is implying.

I didn't say it was. I was just answering Cobalt's question.

Also, I'm still hoping someone materializes with the xvart case.

[SpyreX]

Ooh, I really don't like xvart now. That post is terrible. Maybe I should do something more useful with my vote.

unvote, vote:xvart

Welp, case closed.

Xvart is the scum.

You win thread.