Lay of Leithian Mafia: Game Over!

[Steam-Powered Shovel]

The second part of this isn't okay. Are you saying that wagons with no reasoning are better than wagons with bad reasoning? I'd say that any reasoning is better than none. Plus, more pushing a pointless wagon.

You shouldn't reward craplogic. I mean, "Socrates is mortal, scum are mortal, thus Socrates is scum" is reasoning, but it's definitely worse than no reasoning.

And yes, I'm wagonning. I stay in that phase longer than most people as I'm a big fan of bandwagonning. Do you need examples of me acting this way when town?

Vote Count 12: Lynch

Starbuck - 1 - PaltryExcuse
Drippereth - 1 - SocioPath
Steam Powered Shovel - 1 - Elmocrates
xvart -

5

- Budja, Kmd4390, farside22, FeFiFoFum, Anon
Anon - 1 - Elscouta
MehPlusRawr - 1 - Papa Zito
xofelf - 2 - SensFan, Drippereth
Jack - 4 - SpyreX, J-Scope, curiouskarmadog, Steam-Powered Shovel
Cyberbob - 3 - Cobalt, Iecerint, Jack
Papa Zito - 1 - ooba
Cobalt - 3 - Cyberbob, Starbuck, xvart,

Not Voting (2): MehPlusRawr, xofelf

With 25 players alive it'll take 13 to lynch and 13 to no-Lynch.

There are no players in the

Halls of Mandos

, so right now there are no

Revive

or

Destroy

counts.

[Iecerint]

Starbuck, could you show me an example of naughtymetaJack? I requested just that a few pages ago, and no one responded.

[SpyreX]

Ohh SWEET META.

No.

[Starbuck]

I can't give you names because they are ongoing.

[Iecerint]

She says Jack does this all the time. That surprises me. I want to see what she's talking about.

[Iecerint]

k.

[SpyreX]

And I wouldn't care if there was a spreadsheet showing the fact this is par for the course.

That par would still be scummy.

[Iecerint]

I've never gotten that impression from past games I've played with you.

I love meta. I am occasionally too lazy to bother with it, though.

[Papa Zito]

xvart seems to compulsively misrep/generalise. Agree/disagree? Scummy or not?

So I iso'd xvart.

He's extremely defensive and sarcastic, and I see a bit of backpedaling here and there. Most of his interactions with people are knee-jerk. The major sticking point here seems to be the claiming scumbuddies bit. Apparently his opinion is that claiming scumbuddies, even in jest, is scummy. If that's his opinion, and he's following through, so be it. His iso 10 seems to honestly sums up his activity.

Jack made a random cop breadcrumb comment and and produces little content. I found that scummy. Do you agree?

A random cop breadcrumb (if that's even what it was) is null. I would say all the people talking about it are worse than the one who did it.

Lack of content, however, is true, and I agree that it's scummy. Also his reaction to a sudden wagon on him ("What, you don't find Cyberbob scummy?") was lulz.

I don't understand how it can hurt to tell us why Sens should be policy lynched. I don't see how it helps not to tell us. You are making no sense by witholding this.

It's a private matter, and as good a reason as any for an opening vote. That's really all there is to say about it.

I think that's everything to me. I'm going to read back and try to get more involved.

Two other things:

1. Now that MehPlusRawr has posted an incredibly lame case on Shovel, can we lynch him?
2. Also, the elmo hydra is pinging me for some reason.

[SpyreX]

A random cop breadcrumb (if that's even what it was) is null. I would say all the people talking about it are worse than the one who did it.

Lack of content, however, is true, and I agree that it's scummy. Also his reaction to a sudden wagon on him ("What, you don't find Cyberbob scummy?") was lulz.

The cop breadcrumb was bad. It COULD be said it could be alignment null. However, no way no how no chance that exchange we had AFTER is anything but.

[Iecerint]

Unvote; Vote: PapaZito

Nullifying my favorite events in the game so far, and being responsible for the policy lynch on SF that rubbed me the wrong way earlier (never quite noticed that; it'd made me get negative feelings about SPS). Also, 0% impressed with his reported reads. Alsoalso, low activity, and an unusual fixation on MPR.

Will bother CB more later.

[Cyberbob]

Those are some of the most pathetic reasons for a vote I've ever seen.

[Iecerint]

You really annoy me.

Happy scumday @ PZ.

[Iecerint]

Ah, hell, I'll bite. What's pathetic about it?

[Elmocrates]

Blah.

I am probably too quick to throw out town reads, but I like post 308 for some reason.

Meh's case on SPS makes me go :| and I almost want to get off of the SPS wagon just to avoid being associated with it. Meh needs to post more.

Iecerint continues to reinforce my town read on him, which is weird because I disagree with everything he says.

Elmo has convinced me not to go harumph at the Jack wagon.

unvote, vote: Jack

-crates

[Iecerint]

I liked the Jack wagon better before CB got mixed up in it. It blows my mind that people don't find him scummy. (AND I HAVE NOT BEEN DRUNK FOR SEVERAL DAYS.)

Same deal with MPR/SPS. Namely, I think all (well, several) of the SPS posts MPR listed are scummy, but I don't think I ever agree with the reasons he lists.

[Papa Zito]

Thanks Iceman. Also OMGUS.

[Cyberbob]

Ah, hell, I'll bite. What's pathetic about it?

Almost everything.

"Nullifying my favorite events in the game so far" - What?
"being responsible for the policy lynch on SF that rubbed me the wrong way earlier" - Are you talking about another game here?
"Also, 0% impressed with his reported reads." - Absolutely nothing on why this is scummy (hint: disagreeing with someone does not automatically make them scummy), just a lame duck NOT IMPRESSED.
"Alsoalso," - This scrabbling shows to me that even you know how stupid your reasons up to this point are.
"low activity" - True, but there are plenty of people who have done the same.
"and an unusual fixation on MPR." - This is just about the only vaguely relevant thing you brought up, but it's hardly worth a vote.

[Iecerint]

Is that [insert lame OMGUS counter-argument here] OMGUS, or are you claiming that someone has OMGUS'd somewhere? Cuz I dun think you ever attacked me, and I don't think Jack attacked Elmo.

[Cyberbob]

I liked the Jack wagon better before CB got mixed up in it.

lol, since when have I been "mixed up in" the Jack wagon? I'm voting Cobalt and have been since my PBPA post.

It blows my mind that people don't find him scummy.

Yet it never occurs to you that perhaps you are wrong; no, you couldn't be!! It's everyone

else

that is blind to my true evil!!!!

[Cyberbob]

Is that [insert lame OMGUS counter-argument here] OMGUS, or are you claiming that someone has OMGUS'd somewhere? Cuz I dun think you ever attacked me, and I don't think Jack attacked Elmo.

o_O

Why don't you try pointing me to the bit you're talking about, and perhaps give your phrasing a serious tweak. Thanks in advance.

[Iecerint]

He's saying that some of the most information-rich parts of the game are "null." This is dubious-to-scummy.

I'm talking about the SensFan "policy" lynch he started. I didn't really associate it with him because SPS is the one who really championed it, but it's a policy lynch without explanation or merit, and he refuses to explain it. I dislike policy lynches, especially ones on competent players.

He offers no explanation for his reads, there is nothing in his play to suggest an explanation for those reads, and there is nothing from those players suggesting those reads IMO. If this were the only point, fair enough, but it's part of a whole constellation of bad.

Alsoalso is a joke because I already started a sentence with "also" in the previous sentence. The point is that there are tons of little things to tack on.

Low activity is scummy. Having low activity and calling out others for having low activity is even scummier. Doublewin!

The MPR fixation also fits into his bad scumlist, since MPR is on it. Makes it look more like a weak bus and less like some kind of pro-town connection. This is actually the weakest point IMO, since positing D1 scum connections is sort of naughty.

[Iecerint]

I think you're scummier than Jack in that whole scenario, difficult as that was to achieve on your part, and the fact that he voted you when he did (i.e. after you refused/couldn't explain the scummy bit) was kinda suggestive of that having been the intention behind his actions. But I don't really trust Jack, either.

You could do that as town, sure. But the action ITSELF should be seen as scummy, even if other stuff outweighs it for whatever reason.

The last is @ PZ.

[Jack]

A random cop breadcrumb (if that's even what it was) is null. I would say all the people talking about it are worse than the one who did it.

Lack of content, however, is true, and I agree that it's scummy. Also his reaction to a sudden wagon on him ("What, you don't find Cyberbob scummy?") was lulz.

Hello Papa, I think your are misunderstanding Jack's intention with that post. ISO CKD and tell me what you see. Same for Steam powered. I would peg both of them as opportunistic.

CKD abandoned her third post of the day and only serious case with a weaksauce "I've been back and forth on Jack...that last vote though...". I think in Jack's opinion the vote is fairly obvious given the context of the discussion the previous day. CKD, what made you go back and forth previously?

Steam powered said he didn't think Jack's cop breadcrumb (or whatever it was) was scummy earlier but votes Jack for being "deliberately unhelpful"-->which isn't really a fair accusation imo, CKD would be a better target.

SpyreX seems to be ticked off for some reason, but that's another story I guess.

[Papa Zito]

SpyreX is acting weird yes.

I'll do those isos.