Open 213 -- Mini Love (Over)

[DoItRiley]

I am very suspicious of you at the moment DoItRiley for your very last sentence. You seem like you are trying to overstate your opinion of the matter, even after there is no reason to state your opinion because the decision is made. I dont see why you would do this unless you are trying to act town on purpose.

No I just think it's bullshit that you decided to take the decision on your own back and act without thinking of what the majority wants to happen. And it pisses me off because I think this path is a worse path than the other (now defunct) option.

I really did not want my first game on this account to be a loss.

[Chronopie]

Mini Love

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A no-lynch still requires a majority vote to go through.

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Just noticed this rule (green), noone else claim.

[CJMiller]

Mini Love

The Rules:

1.

Play to win. No jackassery.

2.

This game cannot be discussed outside of channels set aside therefor (ie this thread or QuickTopic).

3.

No post editing.

4.

When you are dead, stop posting. NO EXCEPTIONS.

5.

Do not

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or quote any PMs in part or in full.

6.

Do not post hidden messages (this includes non-English messages).

7.

Do not reference ongoing games.

8.

Indigo

is My color.

9.

I am Mod, and My rule is final.

10.

Violations

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result in your removal in a way most punishing to your faction.

11.

Votes must be bolded. For example,

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Unvote

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12.

Vote counts will be provided every other day.

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When a majority has been reached, the game immediately passes into Night. Do not talk in the thread at Night.

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You may also vote for no lynch to happen on that day by typing

Vote: No lynch.

A no-lynch still requires a majority vote to go through.

15.

A majority of 50%+1 is always required.

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If a majority has not been reached by the deadline, a no-lynch will occur.

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Each day will have strict two-week deadlines. The deadline can only be shortened, not extended.

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Night lasts for 72 hours.

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Just noticed this rule (green), noone else claim.

Should be interpreted as:

5. Do not quote or fake quoting a role PM, in part or in full.

I just did it wrong.

[CJMiller]

@Mod: Have Ksen and Henry picked up their role pms

Neither.

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Vote count 1

Nikanor 1 (Yankee)
Yankee 1 (Chronopie)
TheLoneWolf 0
Looker 1 (Robocopter87)
Henry Hathaway 0
Robocopter87 0
XScorpion 0
ksen 0
DoItRiley 2 (DarkLightA, TheLoneWolf)
DarkLightA 2 (Nikanor, Xscorpion)
Chronopie 1 (easjo682)
easjo682 1 (Looker)

No Lynch 3 (ksen, Henry Hathaway, DoItRiley)

Twelve players having started the Day, a majority is seven.

Deadline is 6.25 PM EDT (10.25 PM GMT) Friday April 16, just under 12 days away.

[Yankee]

Mini Love

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Play to win. No jackassery.

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When you are dead, stop posting. NO EXCEPTIONS.

5.

Do not

claim

or quote any PMs in part or in full.

6.

Do not post hidden messages (this includes non-English messages).

7.

Do not reference ongoing games.

8.

Indigo

is My color.

9.

I am Mod, and My rule is final.

10.

Violations

will

result in your removal in a way most punishing to your faction.

11.

Votes must be bolded. For example,

Vote Foo

. You must unvote by typing

Unvote

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12.

Vote counts will be provided every other day.

13.

When a majority has been reached, the game immediately passes into Night. Do not talk in the thread at Night.

14.

You may also vote for no lynch to happen on that day by typing

Vote: No lynch.

A no-lynch still requires a majority vote to go through.

15.

A majority of 50%+1 is always required.

16.

If a majority has not been reached by the deadline, a no-lynch will occur.

17.

Each day will have strict two-week deadlines. The deadline can only be shortened, not extended.

18.

Night lasts for 72 hours.

19.

If a player fails to post for 72 consecutive hours, he will be prodded. If that player does not post for another 48 hours after he has been prodded, he will be replaced.

20.

Do not be surprised to have your puny inbox filled by My glorious spam.

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If you are going away, post V/LA here. The V/LA thread means nothing in My games.

Just noticed this rule (green), noone else claim.

Lolscum

[Yankee]

Unvote; Vote: Chronopie

You really dont want anyone else to claim that bad?!?!

[Chronopie]

-.- Clearly, my goal was to avoid losing lovers to modkills.

[XScorpion]

Wow.
Way to go Yankee for completely screwing the rest of town.

[Nikanor]

nothing to say about my claim?

The only thing I have to say about it is that if we get three lovers claiming, you're most likely the goon.

Unvote; Vote: Chronopie

You really dont want anyone else to claim that bad?!?!

Bad vote. I think it's pretty clear that's not what he meant.

Wow.
Way to go Yankee for completely screwing the rest of town.

You seem to think that Yankee is town. Also, why do you think this completely screws us over?

@Riley: Are you supposed to be a hohum alt?
Anyway, please stop being so aggressive. I very greatly doubt your ability to catch all the scum by yourself, if you are indeed town. Stop being so abrasive, or I

will

do everything in my power to see you lynched.

[Nikanor]

Anyway, a lover from the other group should claim.

[XScorpion]

75% chance that he's town is pretty high.
This doesn't screw us over, as long as we lynch the right couple today, which has less than 50% chance of happening (scum will try to push for the lynch of the other couple, meanwhile the rest of us have no clue which is the right one). Not to mention that Yankee has forced town into following DLA's plan, which as I stated before, has potential to result in the death of five townies just to get one scum. By the way, we now have to lynch the lover couples over the next two days, otherwise scum get a free shot at the town couple.
So yeah, good job Yankee for getting us into this mess. Did you really not want to do any scumhunting or something? I don't see why else you would jump the gun and go against a TOWN MAJORITY.

[Nikanor]

@Mod: Lovers die together, right? They don't die the next morning/night?
Just wondering because that's the way the last game played out.

[Yankee]

what do you mean "we now have to lynch the lover couples over the next two days, otherwise scum get a free shot at the town couple"? That makes absolutely no sense to me.... For one, if the scum Night kill the town lover then they totally sacrifice the treacherous lover and ends up ending badly for them. And you assume that everyone that voted against claiming lovers is town since you say I did something against the "town majority"? In fact it benefits scum more in my opinion to have the lovers not claim so in my opinion the scum are most likely on the not claiming list therefore I did not vote against the town majority. Top 3 suspects to me right now is XScorpion, Nikanor, and Chronopie.

Someone from the other lover pair needs to claim.

[Looker]

Currently catching up

[easjo682]

Also I just noticed something in post sixty three. You say the treacherous lover most likely doesn't know he is treacherous. On what do you base this since the role pms were posted in this thread for each role.... Very interesting. And I have a suspicion of Nik but idk of I can say why without breaking the rule of talking about other games...

No the townie lover paired with treacherous lover won't know his lover is treacherous, I'm pretty certain that the treacherous lover will know hes treacherous.
if this clarifies it for you here's a diagram
Townie Lover --- Treacherous Lover Here is what the pair is
Townie Lover --- Townie Lover Here is how it will be in the townie's eyes(he doesn't Know his lover is treacherous)


Does that make more sense?

[Looker]

Yeah okay how about we just not mass claim, sound good?

I agree.

Yeah,

if

we lynch scum. I'd rather just go for the other scum. Having the town lovers alive can be a huge asset, since they're practically masons once the scum lover dies.

I completely agree with this.

I agree.

Oh and for anyone who hasn't really been posting anything...a.k.a. Looker, Henry, ksen, Chrono, and easjo...don't come in here being idiotic and jokey/RVS stage junk because there's actual been some serious discussion going on and we don't need any momentum killers bullshitting around.

I disagree. There's nothing scummy yet, just disagreements and debates.

Yankee: If you hadn't have claimed, I would've proposed claiming only at L-1 like we did last game. Don't know if what you're doing is a gambit or not, though.

I am very suspicious of you at the moment DoItRiley for your very last sentence. You seem like you are trying to overstate your opinion of the matter, even after there is no reason to state your opinion because the decision is made. I dont see why you would do this unless you are trying to act town on purpose.

No I just think it's bullshit that you decided to take the decision on your own back and act without thinking of what the majority wants to happen. And it pisses me off because I think this path is a worse path than the other (now defunct) option.

I really did not want my first game on this account to be a loss.

I agree.

[Looker]

@Yankee: Why'd you claim?

[easjo682]

what do you mean "we now have to lynch the lover couples over the next two days, otherwise scum get a free shot at the town couple"? That makes absolutely no sense to me.... For one, if the scum Night kill the town lover then they totally sacrifice the treacherous lover and ends up ending badly for them. And you assume that everyone that voted against claiming lovers is town since you say I did something against the "town majority"? In fact it benefits scum more in my opinion to have the lovers not claim so in my opinion the scum are most likely on the not claiming list therefore I did not vote against the town majority. Top 3 suspects to me right now is XScorpion, Nikanor, and Chronopie.

Someone from the other lover pair needs to claim.

they don't need to claim, in fact it seems foolish to claim. and Yankee seeing as you did claim lover and you want us to lynch the lovers I'm going to vote for you never mind that I think its a false claim

Vote:Yankee

[DarkLightA]

Either that, or we have a situation where if the town pair is killed we know the other, still living pair is scum.

So you think it's worth trading FIVE townies just to nail the treacherous lover?

No, I didn't say that. I said 3 townies

READ UP XSCORPION!

If one person from each lover group claims, then if the town lovers die, we know the other lover is part of the scum+town lover group.

Case 1: Scum NK the town lovers.
Outcome 1: Town lynch scum lovers at day.

Case 2: A town lover is lynched (remember there's one lover we don't know who is).
Outcome 2: Town lynch scum lovers next day.

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What do you not like about this idea guys?

@Yankee, XScorpion is for claims (and against??).

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I really did not want my first game on this account to be a loss.

Multis much? Who's your main?

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Chronopie - Slight scum read
DoItRiley - Scum read
Easjo - No/Slight town read
Looker - No read
Nikanor - Seems leg. Slight town read
Yankee - Town read
Robocopter - Slight town read
TheLoneWolf - No read
XScorpion - Scum read

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Way to go Yankee for completely screwing the

rest of town

.

Notice how XScorpion says what's bolded in order to attach himself to the idea of "rest of town".

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75% chance that he's town is pretty high.
This doesn't screw us over, as long as we lynch the right couple today, which has less than 50% chance of happening (scum will try to push for the lynch of the other couple, meanwhile the rest of us have no clue which is the right one). Not to mention that Yankee has forced town into following DLA's plan, which as I stated before, has potential to result in the death of five townies just to get one scum. By the way, we now have to lynch the lover couples over the next two days, otherwise scum get a free shot at the town couple.
So yeah, good job Yankee for getting us into this mess. Did you really not want to do any scumhunting or something? I don't see why else you would jump the gun and go against a TOWN MAJORITY.

XScorpion, you're fluctuating a ton. You don't understand this at all. You're just trying to follow the flow. Do a re-read.


I'll walk you through your post:

75% chance that he's town is pretty high.
This doesn't screw us over, as long as we lynch the right couple today, which has less than 50% chance of happening (scum will try to push for the lynch of the other couple, meanwhile the rest of us have no clue which is the right one).

We will possibly be able to see through who is hesitant to being lynched.

Not to mention that Yankee has forced town into following DLA's plan, which as I stated before, has potential to result in the death of five townies just to get one scum.

XD.. Talking about something you have no clue about.
Look: The scum are faced with a "if town lovers die then scum+town lovers are revealed to the town".

By the way, we now have to lynch the lover couples over the next two days, otherwise scum get a free shot at the town couple.

Huh? No, we're not lynching anyone.

So yeah, good job Yankee for getting us into this mess.

Thanks Yankee for starting this. We're not lynching you.

Did you really not want to do any scumhunting or something? I don't see why else you would jump the gun and go against a TOWN MAJORITY.

Seeing as the TOWN doesn't UNDERSTAND as you displayed (although you're scum), then I don't think there's a problem.

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@Looker: You have some catching up to do.

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what do you mean "we now have to lynch the lover couples over the next two days, otherwise scum get a free shot at the town couple"? That makes absolutely no sense to me.... For one, if the scum Night kill the town lover then they totally sacrifice the treacherous lover and ends up ending badly for them. And you assume that everyone that voted against claiming lovers is town since you say I did something against the "town majority"? In fact it benefits scum more in my opinion to have the lovers not claim so in my opinion the scum are most likely on the not claiming list therefore I did not vote against the town majority. Top 3 suspects to me right now is XScorpion, Nikanor, and Chronopie.

Someone from the other lover pair needs to claim.

they don't need to claim, in fact it seems foolish to claim. and Yankee seeing as you did claim lover and you want us to lynch the lovers I'm going to vote for you never mind that I think its a false claim

Vote:Yankee

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NO! WE ARE NOT LYNCHING ANY LOVERS TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DarkLightA]

EVERYONE READ THIS:

...cause obviously 75% of you don't know what's going on.

Actually I was in the middle of posting something about your last post Nikanor about how I didnt understand how claiming lovers today and not lynching them made any sense, but then i thought about it for a minute, and that is like a safety net almost. The town lovers probably wouldnt be NK'ed because that would give away the treacherous lover pair, and even if they were, then we can choose to kill the other lover pair the next day, or just keep scum hunting knowing that the treacherous lover is in that lover group (i would vote to lynch personally). The only drawback I see to this is it may complicate things later on in the game when we get close to lylo, it could pose major problems if we dont lynch a lover pair on day one. But a benefit is that the doctor wouldnt be tied down on protecting a lover on Night 1 which is always a plus.

Also it'd be nice if you read the whole topic instead of barging in with no clue about what we're doing.

@Riley: Are you by any chance SensFan?

[easjo682]

NO! WE ARE NOT LYNCHING ANY LOVERS TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yeah we're not I think he's making a false claim

[Chronopie]

@DLA: It would be a 5:1 trade, if we go with a lover pairs claim strat.

setup

2 Goons
1 T.Lover

3 Lovers
1 Doc
5 Townies

as per queue

So the lover pairs are

Town + Town

, and

Town

+

scum[/color.

Note that the Town in the T/S pair doesn't know that his partner is scum, as per OP.

The scum obv know which pair of lovers are the T/S pair.

So the scum will try convince the town to vote the

other

lover pair. which will flip town.

then NK a

random towns person.

We lynch the other pair D2. Lose another Townie the next night.

So we

lose 5 town

in exchange for the T.Lover.

Not a good idea.

This is why we shouldn't have the lover pairs claim. 5 town for 1 scum =/= good trade. That's what I don't like about the idea.

I'd rather we not lover lynch, just normal scum hunting. That way the doc isn't tied down, and we don't have to worry.

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Xscorpion was saying that Yankee screwed over the rest of the town by claiming. He wasn't trying to attach himself to town (I think)

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Easjo: why did you vote for the only claimed lover? We don't want lover lynches.

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tl;dr: No lover lynch plan, bc it would be (wcs) 5:1 trade. Lets stop trying to break setup, and actually scumhunt.

[Chronopie]

Also

Unvote

[Yankee]

Why would Scum false claim on day one, especially when he didnt need to? It would be suicide because even if they do manage to get the lover pair lynched first, then there would be 2 more lover groups left and obviously scum would be in both of them and it would not only get the treacherous lover killed, but it would also get at least 1 goon killed as well. So your reasoning makes no sense easjo. Can you explain to me why you think my claim is false? (also, going to work until 4 PM EST.....)

[DarkLightA]

IF YOU ARE A TOWN LOVER BUT NOT YANKEE'S LOVER, THEN CLAIM NOW OTHERWISE TOWN WON'T WIN!!!

Geez....