-While I'd love to see one of the lynchers get lynched today, I'm kind of thinking mipe might be town. That "why are you voting Korts when I've done nothing all game?" post was bizzare, but I think unlikely to come from scum.
-Dislike the way RichardGHB jumps on the Mipe wagon on page 15
FeFiFoFum wrote:So is it safe to say we can lynch Kortshit? or would you like me to answer his very simple but dumb question if i would still lynch izzy without a claim? Obviously it was a joke, and a Random vote. Korts i have seen nothing but a good case against you all game, yoiu have failed to keep a constant pressure on richard or me, you are sleezy and scum.
vote: korts
Now this is a lurker I'd like to lynch.
-I don't really get Inhim's attack on Quag. Quag looks to me like he's likely to be agressive town here.
I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie
Yikes forgot to mention I'm V/LA today through like Sunday.
Hooray for more activity though. I forget who it was who voted for scot but I agree with your sentiments. However scot I'm still slightly wavering on while there are much more obv lurkerscum who need to die first.
Yeah, that RichardGHB guy is soooooooooooo scum, lynch him now!!1111
I'm not going to bother with scot's case on Page 13 because my suspcions lie elsewhere (i.e. not with dahill). Quagmire's pursuing of a Korts lynch is suspicious to me because scum generally don't play like Korts. I am calling Kortstown.
This post gives me strong town vibes, however. The post right after it still doesn't sit well with me.
This post seems pretty town to me as well. Contrary to my case earlier dahill is playing better than I gave him credit for.
This post reads as frustrated town, consistent with typical Korts-esque play that I've grown to hate.
Yosarian2 wrote:-Dislike the way RichardGHB jumps on the Mipe wagon on page 15
Even if it WAS wagoning, you can't hold it against me. Wagoning is and always has been an absolute nulltell. You can only come up with so many different reasons, so wagoning is imminent in any lynch, and is more likely to come from town, in all honesty.
scotmany12 wrote:Yeah, I'm not liking the mipe wagon. Just seems like he is a player that doesn't really care, and that is not mutually exclusive with scum.
Would you say that not caring is more likely to come from town than scum?
Anon wrote:Do you guys know what the objective of a wagon is?
Lynch or get a claim. Unless the player that is being wagoned does something remarkably protown or someone else does something remarkably scummy.
Neither of these situations have happened. And I see no mipe claim. And while Id love to see him replaced or at least try to do something, these possibilities are more remote than me getting sex in a church.
So, claim plz so we stop wasting time, can decide weather to lynch you or to move on.
Quoted For Truth.
Quagmire wrote:When will people finally realize policy lynching is stupid?
VasudeVa wrote:At first Quag's case on Korts was cute. Now it's quite annoying since he admittedly states that he has no proof but continues on with it. Getting some bad vibes from it actually. This could very well be a bad bus attempt, if they are both scum. Kind of like that kid in the playground: "HEY GUYS, IM BUSSING KORTS. LOOKATME! STOP LYNCHING MIPE, LOOKAT ME FIRST.........GUYS? "
:good posting:
The only fallacy here though, if Quag and Korts are a scumteam, the bussing would probably go the other way (Korts trying to lynch Quag) since Korts is probably more viewed as town than Quag. WIFOM can be your best friend or your worst enemy though.... meh.
That's your catching up? You have got to be kidding me. That post was all flash, with little if any substance.
I'd say it is more likely for town to lose interest. Regardless, it's a null tell and is not exclusive to any role.
Now respond to my case. Just because you don't have your vote on dahill anymore doesn't change the fact that your case against him was contrived as hell. You moving your vote does not give you an excuse to not respond to a legitimate case against you. I asked you questions in that post that I want answered.
scotmany12 wrote:What the hell are you even saying Zoraster? First off, you didn't even read my posts if you think my one gripe against Vas was that he went after Korts. There was far more to it.
And secondly, I'm attacking people for attacking others? What the hell does that even mean. I think RichardGHP is scum because of his case against dahill. It was opportunistic, and contrived as hell. Did you even read my post on him? I attacked the validity of his case, not once did I say I think dahill is town. It seems like you are trying to accuse me of chainsaw defense, which doesn't work unless you know the alignment of dahill. Basically, your whole post condemning me makes absolutely no sense.
TheFonz case on izzy is fairly bad.
Mipe wagon is still awful. Ksun wagon has merit. Still prefer RichardGHP, who has never even responded to my post against him. inhim is pretty scummy too. I need to reread the case on paltry before I form an opinion.
actually, no. chainsaw defense, so far as i know involves protecting your scum buddy by attacking someone else. what i'm suggesting is that you're doing something more subtle and, until now, not entirely conscious.
Let's just say you're scum a. You know mipe is not scum a. So you know that when lynched, mipe is likely to be town. therefore you can get town points later by defending him now.
That wouldn't be something i could argue if you did it just once. I'm arguing you make a pattern of this, with mipe being just the most obvious because you've repeatedly done it without offering any real reason that it is bad. I think as you've gotten busier in real life, you haven't been able to devote the same time to making the defense sound plausible, so you think throwing out a "wagon is awful" will still qualify you for the defense points you've been striving for all game.
I'd really like to lynch either RichardGHB or FeFiFoFum
ALso wouldn't mind lynching ksun
There's probably some other scummy lurkers, but I'm too tired to figure out who they are right now.
There's plenty of accusations you could level at RichardGHP, but I don't think lurking is one that you could make in good faith. He has 35 posts, which is about what you'd expect from 1 of 20 players in a 25 page game. I'm guessing from reading your posts that this isn't the sum of your case on Ricky, but it is possible to parse it that way.
Fonz: you say I should have been pushing the next most viable wagon; which wagon might that be? mipe was the only badwagon of any size at that point; the dahill wagon had exaporated and no one else had more than one vote. I don't think it was unreasonable of me to start another wagon. Since it's now up to four in fairly short order, I'm not sure I needed to do more to push the wagon. I'm slightly aggrieved to be accused of information instead of analysis: can you point to specific instances of that in this game?
(Also, there's no threat of a no lynch. I thought that that might be the case earlier, but rereading the deadline rules it's plurality lynches at deadline.)
If Shea really is gone, then I'm absolutely furious about that. There were a number of things I wanted him to comment on and him in particular to comment on. Now I won't get that opportunity? Grrr.
@Anon: I don't feel the need to justify in depth my opposition to wagons that never happened, and reserve the right to make vague statements about players who I am not voting for a number of reasons.
(10:50:24 PM) xcaykex: GODDAMNIT I DONT WANNA GET RID OF MY TENTACLE RAPE PORN
If that's true, you've chosen a very ineffective way of going about it.
Izzy wrote:There's a stage between 'No time pressure at all, vote whoever you think is scummiest' and 'so desperate, any lynch will do.' That stage is 'vote the best viable wagon.'
No.[/quote]
Yes, yes, a million times yes.
Quagmire wrote:
I also think you case on Izzy is built on a house of cards.
How so? You said I was 'probably right' about a Korts lynch being unviable. An SL lynch is almost certainly even more unviable. Plus, Izzy left her vote there when it was obvious SL had flaked from the game and was going to be replaced. At which point, it makes little sense to leave a vote there (it can't create any pressure, and there's no reason to think that the replacement is going to lurk) unless you're unusually sure the target is scum. And yet, if that's the case, you don't immediately unvote the replacement.
If you have one big wagon, and several one-man wagons close to deadline, the big wagon is going to be a default lynch. Default lynches are one of the worst things that can happen on a day one in terms of settting the town up for the rest of the game.
I mean, am I completely off-base in thinking that leaving your vote on a wagon you know to be unviable is a form of active lurking? Town needs to compromise sometimes and be willing to take a good lynch rather than an optimal one. Otherwise, you get a bad one.
That said, Izzy's response feels like what I'd call 'huffy town.' It reminds me a lot of ShadowGirl's play in this game- a stubborn town player lacking empathy and completely unable to see why it is completely reasonable to characterise her behaviour as antitown.
@RichardGHP: You said 'Scum typically don't play like Korts.' In what ways does Korts' play differ from that of what you would expect scum to do here?
I'd really like to lynch either RichardGHB or FeFiFoFum
ALso wouldn't mind lynching ksun
There's probably some other scummy lurkers, but I'm too tired to figure out who they are right now.
There's plenty of accusations you could level at RichardGHP, but I don't think lurking is one that you could make in good faith.
Oh, I'm not accusing him of lurking at all. I explained why I'm suspicious of RichardGHP in earlier posts. That "some other scummy lurkers" was in reference to FeFi and ksun, and a comment on who else I'd be willing to lynch; it has nothing to do with RichardGHP.
I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie
Yosarian2 wrote:-Dislike the way RichardGHB jumps on the Mipe wagon on page 15
Even if it WAS wagoning, you can't hold it against me. Wagoning is and always has been an absolute nulltell. You can only come up with so many different reasons, so wagoning is imminent in any lynch, and is more likely to come from town, in all honesty.
Of course wagoning is a null tell, in a vacuum.
What I said was that I didn't like the WAY you joined the wagon; this post of yours:
RichardGHP wrote:
mipe wrote:
PaltryExcuse wrote:
mipe wrote:
VasudeVa wrote:
~What gets wet as it drys?~
A towel?
You're the leading wagon right now. Get in the game.
Oh, right!
Noo, don't vote me, you should vote the scum, not me! I'm on your side, I'm honest! I haven't done anything bad (yet)! You should try a wagon tomorrow and see if the result is different!
Oh man... now I'm starting to doubt my dahill case. As of the quoted post there is officially better lynches elsewhere. This just comes off as really lazy and really AtE-y at the same time. If you are town, you aren't doing a very good job of showing it in this post.
Unvote; Vote: mipe
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happened right when I was coming to the conclusion mipe was probably pro-town, and something about the tone you have in that post and the way you did it, and especally the "If you're town..." comment, all looks to me more like you're scum looking for an excuse to jump on a wagon, instead of a townie trying to lynch scum.
I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie
zoraster wrote:That wouldn't be something i could argue if you did it just once. I'm arguing you make a pattern of this, with mipe being just the most obvious because you've repeatedly done it without offering any real reason that it is bad. I think as you've gotten busier in real life, you haven't been able to devote the same time to making the defense sound plausible, so you think throwing out a "wagon is awful" will still qualify you for the defense points you've been striving for all game.
What are you talking about? Who else have I defended in this game? You totally misread my whole attack on VasudeVa, saying I only attacked him because he attacked korts, which is flat out wrong. And me attacking the validity of RichardGHP case against dahill does not mean im defending dahill. It means I think Richard is scum due to his contrived, insincere case against dahill. The only wagon I have said I disliked (besides the izzy wagon which was pretty much random) was mipes.
Right, like you really thought he was going to get lynched earlier.
People, notice who popped up and decided to take their thumbs out of their butts...
after
we got some replacements in here that (at least act like they) are scumhunting and we get a deadline extension. Some of the same people that were sitting on a one-of wagon and would have the rest of us make the decision for them.
At least we've got two growing wagons. I'll stick with ksun, mainly because RGHP got some support when The Fonz and I put our votes on him. Furthermore, his iso is hilarious, and when put in context atrocious.
The Fonz wrote:So I think I'm going to endorse the only remotely viable counterwagon
Pretty sure RichardGHP was and still is an equally viable counterwagon. I don't think it's a good wagon, but it does exist. You should probably acknowledge that.
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