Stars Aligned II - Game Over!

[VP Baltar]

Factoid:

If we take for a fact that murderers won't lie to confirm other players, the one who killed Elvis is either viking or rewq.
thoughts?

I have 0 insanities, which can be confirmed tonight, therefore I could not have murdered.

Also, why are you saying that I am a possible murderer? You have said nothing else to support a suspicion of it.

Shhhhh, don't feed the scum.

[Magua]

General reads and whatnot:

Town
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animorpherv1 - D1 confirmation of Avolition makes for highly unlikely cult, confirmation by rewq of not being bloody N2 when he lost his night action and couldn't launder rules out murderer
Chaco - Claimed kill of Startransmission means almost certainly not cult (it would make him a target for the real murderer). Late timing of the Star kill and inability to have two kills with it are good anti-murderer indicators.
VP Baltar - Commune by iLord rules out murderer, just general usefulness and well thought out points makes me lean non-cult
evilsnail - Assuming vikingfan comes up murderer, investigate seems a very non-scum action to take
Kunkstar - Chart is nice, but is not a substitute for personal input. I find the loss of Psychopathy believable; believing it also implies non-cult.Kunkstar - Chart is nice, but is not a substitute for personal input.

Murderer
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vikingfan - evilsnail's report and the admission to being bloody
dramonic - Meta, and FoSing me after having a successful commune result on me

Cult
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Ellibereth - D1/D2 interaction still strikes me as incredibly odd (claiming to kill CSL beforehand, then being surprised that CSL was resuscitated).
DrippingGoofball - I was positive DGB was murderer, but the no blood reports when she lost her night action make me reconsider this.
rewq - More process of elimination than anything.

Fence-sitting
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iLord - A number of really good posts that I was a big fan of...but mistakes just keep creeping in. Seems either a repeated lack of attention or purposeful omission. Not inclined to lynch yet.
semioldguy - Usually a lot more active, a lot more insightful. VP's Commune clears him of murderer, but I didn't think semi would go murderer anyways.
Furcolow - Needs more data.
Plum - Needs more data. Led lynch on Sly seems to indicate non-cult.

Also:

We should have someone designated to rob the two graves if, and only if, vikingfan does not come up with 4+ insanity. If he does come up with 4+ insanity, then the graves can go unrobbed...but if he doesn't, I'd prefer having to add another day onto the win condition. I would like Furcolow or rewq to do this.

[VP Baltar]

Did you ever state your night 2 actions Magua?

[Furcolow]

im not robbing graves, i have 1 insanity.

[semioldguy]

im not robbing graves, i have 1 insanity.

You should really refrain from posts like this.

[kunkstar7]

Kunkstar - Chart is nice, but is not a substitute for personal input.

I understand, but I think I have been contributing some of my own personal input. Its not like I have just been posting nothing but just the chart.

@Furcolow, why would you be willing to gain insanities from a murder but not from graverobbing?

We should have someone designated to rob the two graves if, and only if, vikingfan does not come up with 4+ insanity. If he does come up with 4+ insanity, then the graves can go unrobbed...but if he doesn't, I'd prefer having to add another day onto the win condition. I would like Furcolow or rewq to do this.

Specific reasoning for Furcolow/rewq? I would argue that since we are having a commune check between rewq/SOG/evilsnail that we wouldn't need to waste graves on him since insanity inconsistencies will show anyway.

[Furcolow]

why

[Furcolow]

we should get someone who has a lot of insanities already to do it

[kunkstar7]

@Furcolow: Can you explain why someone with more insanities should do it over you? What benefit is there to someone other than you doing it? I have a reason why you should do it, but lets see your reasoning first.

[dramonic]

Factoid:

If we take for a fact that murderers won't lie to confirm other players, the one who killed Elvis is either viking or rewq.
thoughts?

Why rewq?

Living people:
animorpherv1
Chaco
dramonic
DrippingGoofball
Ellibereth
evilsnail
Furcolow
iLord
kunkstar7
Plum
rewq455
semioldguy
Magua
vikingfan
VP Baltar

People who couldn't be responsible for the murder

double robbers: Me, Elli, kunkstar, magua
people who lost action in the last 2 days: Ani, Goofball
People who missed their action " " " " ": Furcolow
People who murdered the night before: Chaco

Who me have left:
evilsnail
iLord
Plum
rewq455
semioldguy
vikingfan
VP Baltar


evilsnail commited suicide if viking is not bloody. Therefore he's either legit or scum with him, but not murderer

Let's take for granted iLord and plum are not murderer for rezzing an investigator (since that'd cost 2 nights, considerably extending the time it takes to get three kills and increasing dramatically the odds of dying before victory)
VP is not more insane (max 1)
Semi is not more insane than VP (max 1)

Leaves Rewq and Viking

It's much too easy to hear noise for it to "prove" Rewq's actions.

[Magua]

Did you ever state your night 2 actions Magua?

No. Should I?

im not robbing graves, i have 1 insanity.

But you are willing to gain two insanity from stalking and murdering?

Specific reasoning for Furcolow/rewq?

What dramonic said. The pool of possible elvis_knits murderers is actually quite small, especially if you also subtract from the list people who have been communed, which knocks out VP Baltar and semioldguy.

But I don't remember Hayker/Furcolow missing an action. dramonic, what are you referring to there?

[dramonic]

N2

[rewq455]

im not robbing graves, i have 1 insanity.

lol. Will you do it if VP asks you to?

[rewq455]

Also is there any chance that Furcolow can be communed tonight by someone with 1 insanity?

[VP Baltar]

No. Should I?

Noises and Insanities would be good. Anything beyond that you should only claim if you think you can either help to clear or condemn someone.

dram's list of potential murderers seems to check out on first glance other than being a little loose with iLord/Plum, but I'd probably still agree with it.

viking has to go today and rewq probably is not murderer given an insanity count that should be confirmed tonight.

Also is there any chance that Furcolow can be communed tonight by someone with 1 insanity?

I'll consider it if people really want me to since the murder-potential-scum plan was shot down. However, I am almost certain he is town that just doesn't quite understand everything going on. I think it'd be a semi-wasted night action, but if people are really that uneasy about it I can do it.

[animorpherv1]

Forcolow is acting terribly suspicious, by refusing to do anthing but murder. I think it's in our best intrest to lynch him eventually, as I think he's going to murder someone anyways.

[animorpherv1]

Furcolow is acting terribly suspicious, by refusing to do anthing but murder. I think it's in our best intrest to lynch him eventually, as I think he's going to murder someone anyways.

EBWOP

[Magua]

No. Should I?

Noises and Insanities would be good. Anything beyond that you should only claim if you think you can either help to clear or condemn someone.

I have claimed noises and insanity for all nights:

D2:

I did not hear noise.

D3:

I heard noise last night.

I have zero insanities.

D4:

I heard no noise last night. For my two insanities, I took Twitchy and Distraction.

@dramonic: N2, Hayker claimed to have laundered. Is that what you're referring to? I don't think anyone has checked if he's not bloody or not.

[Furcolow]

"But you are willing to gain two insanity from stalking and murdering? "

Yes.

The town has to kill to win.
I can kill once, and then not ever do it again.
Graverobbing is against my moral standards.

[Furcolow]

Forcolow is acting terribly suspicious, by refusing to do anthing but murder. I think it's in our best intrest to lynch him eventually, as I think he's going to murder someone anyways.

first, spell my name right please.
second, YOU call ME suspicious? You must be joking. What was your day 1 action again? Laundering? LOL

[animorpherv1]

"But you are willing to gain two insanity from stalking and murdering? "

Yes.

The town has to kill to win.
I can kill once, and then not ever do it again.
Graverobbing is against my moral standards.

Even if Grave Robbing helps town more?

[Furcolow]

At this point, I don't even care if I'm suspicious. I'm an investigator with 1 insanity, so I am valuable to the town.

Players like Ellibereth, Viking Fan, even YOU are a lot more suspicious than I am and are much easier to lynch than I.

[Furcolow]

You're really saying grave robbing helps more than stalking a killing a cultist or a murderer like you?

[Furcolow]

I disagree.

[animorpherv1]

You're really saying grave robbing helps more than stalking a killing a cultist or a murderer like you?

It gives town more imformation than a murder, which only kills the person, and doesn't give alignment.