Lay of Leithian Mafia: Game Over!

[Budja]

@Elmocrates, do the other Elscouta wagoner's share your suspicion?

unvote

The razz has won me over .

Whether a player random votes or not means little to me.
Dislike xvart's 46, nice little fallacy.

vote xvart

Vote Count 02: Lynch

Cobalt - 1 - Elscouta
FeFiFoFum - 1 - Iecerint
Starbuck - 1 - PaltryExcuse
Drippereth - 1 - J-Scope
Steam Powered Shovel - 1 - Starbuck
xofelf - 1 - farside22
SensFan -

4

- Cyberbob, Papa Zito, Steam-Powered Shovel, curiouskarmadog
Cyberbob - 1 - xofelf
Kmd4390 - 1 - FeFiFoFum
FeFiFoFum - 1 - Jack
Starbuck - 1 - Cobalt
SpyreX - 1 - SocioPath
Elscouta -

4

- xvart, SpyreX, Anon, Drippereth
Elmocrates - 1 - SensFan
xvart - 2 - Elmocrates, Budja

Not Voting (3): Kmd4390, MehPlusRawr, ooba,

With 25 players alive it'll take 13 to lynch and 13 to no-Lynch.

There are no players in the

Halls of Mandos

, so right now there are no

Revive

or

Destroy

counts.

[Drippereth]

I totally endorse this wagon.

Unvote, vote xvart

[Cyberbob]

Why do you consider not random voting antitown, Sens? Surely it's in the town's best interests to get out of the random stage ASAP? I mean sure if the

manner

in which someone attempts to first take things seriously is a bit suss then that's something to look at but I don't consider the action itself in any way a bad thing.

As far as other recent stuff goes... not seeing much in either Elscouta (the "scumclaim" was pretty clearly a joke and therefore a nulltell) or xvart.

Unvote, Vote: Drippereth

- the vote on Elmocrates coming a whole 3 minutes after being called out on not voting for any of their suspects in the previous post doesn't look great.

[Drippereth]

The first one was DGB, the one with the vote was me.

[Budja]

You ought to sign your name if you want us to tell you apart.

[Elmocrates]

Anyone: What's this about policy & Sens?
Sens: I assume you believe anti-town ≠ scummy. Why anti-town before scummy? Would you lynch someone for being anti-town before scummy?
CyberBob/xvart: Why do you think scum are (not) more likely to joke about being scum?
xvart: How exactly is just throwing a vote out applying useful scrutiny?

[Cyberbob]

The first one was DGB, the one with the vote was me.

I am questioning the timing more than the quirks of being a hydra.

[Budja]

@Elmocrates, answer the question!

[Cyberbob]

CyberBob/xvart: Why do you think scum are (not) more likely to joke about being scum?

I suppose I'm arguing from personal experience; I've been tempted to make that kind of joke before as both town and scum in roughly equal measures.

[Starbuck]

vote starbuck

eat your heart out
you've been a bad, bad girl

/confused



Just woke up, catching up on the rest after I get back from PT.

[SensFan]

Sens: I assume you believe anti-town ≠ scummy. Why anti-town before scummy? Would you lynch someone for being anti-town before scummy?

anti-town ≠ scummy, that's correct.
If we have a lynch or two to spare, I'll vote anti-town before scummy every time. IF someone is scummy, it means I can read them and will only devellop a better read as the game goes on. If someone is anti-town, it means that even if i can later manage to read them, they probably need to be lynched at some point anyways.

Bob: I get a shitload of tells from the way people random vote. Therefore, I find it anti-town if people opt not to random vote, since only Scum would have something to hide.

[Elmocrates]

This is Elmo. All posts except my last were Socrates. Signing might be good..

@Elmocrates, do the other Elscouta wagoner's share your suspicion?

What do you mean, 'other'? Neither me or Socrates have voted for or voiced suspicion of Elscouta.

[xvart]

CyberBob/xvart: Why do you think scum are (not) more likely to joke about being scum?

I don't see any thing in claiming scum/scumbuddies to be inherently town. I don't have any statistics to back anything up, but the WIFOM makes me sick just thinking about it.

xvart: How exactly is just throwing a vote out applying useful scrutiny?

Well for starters it shows I'm serious about it; and second, there seems to be a leading bandwagon going so I think that is useful scrutiny.

xvart.

[Budja]

@Elmocrates: To clarify: "other players voting Elscouta for the same reasons".

[Cyberbob]

Bob: I get a shitload of tells from the way people random vote. Therefore, I find it anti-town if people opt not to random vote, since only Scum would have something to hide.

That makes sense. I don't see as much in randomness as you apparently do (that's not to say that I don't look at all) so it's a matter of playstyle I suppose.

[SensFan]

Bob: I get a shitload of tells from the way people random vote. Therefore, I find it anti-town if people opt not to random vote, since only Scum would have something to hide.

That makes sense. I don't see as much in randomness as you apparently do (that's not to say that I don't look at all) so it's a matter of playstyle I suppose.

Town can actually just make an arbitrary vote, since they know nothing.
Scumbags need to make a conscious decision to vote buddy or non-buddy.

[Elmocrates]

I don't see any thing in claiming scum/scumbuddies to be inherently town.

There's nothing in signing your name at the bottom of each post that's inherently town, either - that's obviously not sufficient to suspect someone. It has to be, you know, actually suspicious. Do you find it suspicious?

I don't have any statistics to back anything up, but the WIFOM makes me sick just thinking about it.

Someone might be scum, or they might be town. If that's sickening, Mafia must be very tough on you, no? What exactly do you dislike so much?

Well for starters it shows I'm serious about it; and second, there seems to be a leading bandwagon going so I think that is useful scrutiny.

I didn't ask why you voted him. I asked why you voted him and did nothing further. You must have a very strange definition of scrutiny if it's met by starting a bandwagon on someone and then just sitting there. How far do towards lynch do you think the bandwagon should go before you deign to ask him a question or something? You know - scrutinise him.

[Elmocrates]

@Elmocrates: To clarify: "other players voting Elscouta for the same reasons".

I don't know why you're asking me about the views of other people - asking them would make more sense..? I am really stumped by where you're going with this.

Elmo

[Elmocrates]

@Elmocrates, do the other Elscouta wagoner's share your suspicion?

No. I didn't originally vote him because of his Elscouta vote, as I had dismissed that as a random vote. I voted him because of post 44 which is a whole big pile of lameness.

Then he goes and says that it wasn't a random vote and I go .

Sens, care to link me to some games where you have caught scum based off of random vote interactions?

-Crates

[Elmocrates]

I would also just like to note that xvart never did ask why I had voted him, which I find very weird. Did he not need to be told why he was scummy?

-crates

[SensFan]

I honestly can't think of any off the top of my head, and I'm home for a week with a terrible connection. So I can't link you to any right now. Not sure I would link you to them even if I could at this point, since it seems pretty self-defeating.

[Elscouta]

Hmm. "scumbuddy" referred to the fact that Cobalt and me were scumbuddies in Precision Mafia that just finished.

I feel a bit strange about how people voted for me, people have voted for people that voted for me, but almost none has asked me to just explain myself...

Vote: Spyrex

Wait. Wrong game.

Unvote, Vote: Elscouta

Unvote, Vote: Anon

So, someone called me scum for a non-random reason, and then once the bandwagon started, you jump in it with a joke post? Me dislikes that.

[SpyreX]

Yes please, explain yourself.

Was it... lol, reactions?

[Starbuck]

Are serious votes really being placed about the first RVS post in the game?

Instead of questioning the person suspected, overreaction and opportunism reign.

[Elscouta]

Yes please, explain yourself.

Was it... lol, reactions?

What more do you want to know than "I voted Cobalt because we were scumbuddies last game"?