Mini 941: (Almost) No Rules Mafia (Game Over)

[totallynotmafia]

I am going to go ahead and claim Hate_Me_Not as my role. It is obviously a huge distraction to town. I understand it being considered a scummy tactic, but only for anyone else beside me. I had all the right in the world to do that seeing as I was the one being Fake killed. To prove it was me, I will add this PM conversation that I had with Zoraster after my initial two PMs.

Ok well... tell me if I am wrong for doing this, but I am going to create a sham account and post in it. Will this be acceptable? I am assuming it is allowed since I am not in the dead area.

Sham account name is: Hate_Me_Not

sure. you can post either way.

So why all the lies?

May I please point out that by lynching this Sham account, you could be lynching UK whom is a tree stump. If she is maf, that would make sense for the sham account not to claim and allow himself/herself to be lynched.

That is my point. If UK is scum and is a tree stump, then using the sham account would get him lynched and force us to NL. There is plenty scum motivation, especially for a person who is tree stumped.

You were blatantly misleading the town here, how are we possibly supposed to believe you had a pro-town motivation for this?

[Hoopla]

I'd normally be against claiming, but it looks like I have no choice if everyone requires a claim. Ani, what I meant by talking about Liam's flip, is that it would imply there were multiple cop roles (guns) in the set-up which heavily dillutes your chances of finding mafia, and needlessly outs powerroles. Oh well.

My password is 'zorastersuckscock'. I have no idea how to work that site, so someone decrypt it for me?

HOOPLAS ROLE

##### Encrypted: decrypt with http://www.fourmilab.ch/javascrypt/
ZZZZZ DQUVC JJVLX PECWJ UQMLA RASDU JEGKB OCHXL UKPBS HIGMU BMTCK
BWMBV AFMGJ TOSGM CBFDU UMXTQ PUWRB PSNLT BRBKD QRBIB WAJNH ULXID
CCXIV NXDDB QOCNE IEVGP BIKOR BRBNL QTGLV MTJWI JDIWG LMRID NPCQH
VGRJQ DKEIW CJTFL TBSWE MUJOP KLBEM IKWQB MJORO OIPOD VFFBE TGGBM
OSBOT JQMEK SEWSC DQGIU XRPAT AENQQ QQBHQ BOGPT PHPHN BKFXO EFBXX
WFXBP VEAWW FUMUG GSPTF XBOGF VMLNX XIURJ AEVLJ LAGIG IEPWE FNKPT
XWEBU AWQQP LKMSL UFITP RRXOW TBERF EHFTI RIKEW FQPMI BNCSO LRNAD
DJTTU NSQWA KVEDX ADUHD EDLPH MIBXL SVJLX XHEBC IOCAJ XJTPI QXWXR
GVSNM BKNKM HPHPL UFKRR RRNWC WJAFE BPTIT QMXWG VSROR CLLUN CWOIL
EAQOA TEGIF LRGIC USOWU MAPQN ATOEW SBVNC EPPEC HCKPW BPSAE DORKK
FLEJQ SHBLM BDGWG PJPPM MLCNP OBCFW TOIPU EIJBX NUBXP PWQKP RLSNL
LOMIJ HAFEW TLUEE SISGC JXAXG KGRNX XRIXP QHLIJ ISJTB OLTGH QPSOF
ETGNF ONJGF JOUOC DJDTP ITHAB OBTTI SQSJQ ABBOI NDTRO LDRCN SKLEC
GVUUA COBSV EXAQH URTWX VHOPH DNSPT MWHCG AOMCH RTOVS XWJXT PKTWO
JLVWE SDRST SOVSH IKGHA BKGBD XNKIJ XHAAO WAEQW NUQPL KJTLA ASGFT
WKRAN BQDBD OLLNR UXVKL BJDMK WCXXN LOQEL WOBXM HJSOV CTHJI BRSMH
BRJRL GNCIU GOFVF AAKUW RZZZZ YYYYY
##### End encrypted message

Anyway, last night I targetted Espeonage, mostly because I had zero read on him, and despite being a lurker, likely wouldn't have been NK'ed or lynched the next day, making it a worthwhile investigation. He came up town.

Any more questions?

[xvart]

What's the code to your original claim?

xvart.

[totallynotmafia]

Nice try Hoopla, I even copied your original claim and saved it earlier in case you had any way of editting it. Your original encryption is completely different:

ZZZZZ XKQQK FTMGJ RACXR STFQA AAPBC TUIRL AJCXT AKPTR QIFNB WCSTM
UQSJE LQHGJ QHWWR OGHGH WXIPU QCKVQ QQNQD QMFDQ WQHDN PPMTV CCSAB
XWVWJ VRUAH RWNWJ DQTJP BOJNA AGUHL JFGVF HTODI BBKJB TNTEV EOOTL
VWMPG LFDGT XMFHF HAVVP PKLEX GXXSI NLKBE ITPEO RSAPQ FUPEX OVIGA
UHTXR WDSTJ CCQVK EFDNE AKUCC CFPNV UTQAU RJCRJ CTLBM GMGFG BEVAJ
FXWIP HEBVV DVQKS DJBBC WEBXF DREQB TAXBL ULULP RAHEE JMLWT SNIET
GLVPO ASPJA NWRLB MMLTG PWIGF UOBRO TKTTF LHKPE QLKLQ SMDFP BCVSF
WJLTL EAXMP DJFLE JPBUH NFUMF SFCUV OASDV MJIXC KOIMW APRWN NKWNS
NBSQF ECFHA FOVCU QPSTD KAIAB SWAII OUGHT KJJIX LXILX MDLDG GHCXC
CSIOU TOMXE KJVFW VXTTW KXRSN QTKUS PEBSC JPPFC PUGFA LOLEG KGTLW
FKRKN JUPME SVIGH OISEO IFXSU PMVAG MZZZZ YYYYY

Vote: Hoopla

[Hoopla]

What's the code to your original claim?

xvart.

I don't have it.

Hoopla.

[totallynotmafia]

Clearly Hoopla's original claim is different, and so she tried to make it look as if she was just quoting her original claim and hoped that we wouldn't bother to go back and check if it was the same.

This seems too good to be true but it looks as if we've just caught two scum in Hoopla and DeathNote

[Hoopla]

How is DeathNote scum again?

[Hoopla]

I like where this is going. Not me, by the way.

[totallynotmafia]

DeathNote is scummy for the whole HMN and lying to the town thing. I forgot he was the one you fake-targeted, I don't really know the motivation behind doing that to fellow scum besides possible distancing but at any right I'd like to hear DeathNote's reasoning for misleading the town and not just owning up to the sham yesterday.

[Hoopla]

DeathNote is scummy for the whole HMN and lying to the town thing. I forgot he was the one you fake-targeted, I don't really know the motivation behind doing that to fellow scum besides possible distancing but at any right I'd like to hear DeathNote's reasoning for misleading the town and not just owning up to the sham yesterday.

It doesn't really make sense, to be honest.

[totallynotmafia]

Why are you more concerned in defending someone else rather than yourself?

The facts are that:

1) You changed your cryptoclaim once you were caught and tried to pass it off as the original one.

and

2) DeathNote got a townie lynched by lying about who HMN was.

That's two pretty scummy people right there.

[gelid]

fwiw -- i tracked espionage last night -- he did not go anywhere -- hoopla still suspicious for changing claim -- my track does not mean espionage is clear -- my track does also not confirm hoopla claim --

code -- gelid night one gelid --

##### Encrypted: decrypt with http://www.fourmilab.ch/javascrypt/
ZZZZZ AXPPA OQSHD VCERU PEKKS SKGAS JBVJM QFIUL ELKXC JFDHA VBJHA
CEMFV INKMB MQCIQ CVFWJ UJQHR UAJWA NDAPW ESDIH BGXCL NHLWW AXSTX
KXIXF NTEBL PAOKE WJEMA DUPSO OGIOJ HCTCS VJPVW FFKPH ILVGC JQVFI
XRLSQ ODJIT VMJEK QXXDT KVKPB JFWVE LHABJ OLLKS REHAJ UVFDU OTFAN
TSVPL EVWBM WDQPI CGDJT LSUGP UWMKC JOUHN DQHSL QUQIF BRHHS KEAAC
EQBVT JWXXC KVNEC HCAWW OWOKE XKJOD XOBWT LIJKL RJFQG PKBOX CFIMX
GFATR FBXJS BXROF VFUNL TPCFP RWZZZ YYYYY
##### End encrypted message

[Hoopla]

1) What are you talking about?
2) I don't think it was DeathNote's sham account that got Liam lynched.
3) Even if that is true - how does a Hoopla/DeathNote scumteam possibly work?
4) What are you wearing?

[xvart]

2) I don't think it was DeathNote's sham account that got Liam lynched.

It didn't help; of course if DN is town then we would've been lynching a town member either way. I am still highly suspicious of DN. I see no reason for a town member to make a sham to announce that he is not really dead.

xvart.

[totallynotmafia]

1) What are you talking about?
2) I don't think it was DeathNote's sham account that got Liam lynched.
3) Even if that is true - how does a Hoopla/DeathNote scumteam possibly work?
4) What are you wearing?

1-3) Please don't do a UK on us and subject us to all that again. It's over, you got caught, you have the right to remain silent but anything you do say will be taken as WIFOM.
4) Nothing.

[Hoopla]

Look, here's what happened. I lost the key to my first cryptoclaim and knew I'd be lynched for it after I remember I hadn't saved it. This is why I claimed this way - because if I was going to be lynched anyway, I might as well have tried to repost my role PM. It was a risk that I needed to take, because there was no downside to losing.

I am a cop

, and it sucks because ani will probably just out someone tomorrow as well.

I don't expect to be believed, but this is what happened, and I am sorry for losing my first password. I knew it had to come out at some point though.

[Espeonage]

I really hope hoopla is town when she flips or I have been mega framed.
gelid turned up nothing because I did nothing last night. Hoopla is town as far as I am concerned because she got a correct result on me. Sure losing your password is bad but honestly this reliance on cryptoclaims does have a hole when someone does legitimately lose their decrypt code.

[xvart]

I am also still feeling Hoopla as town. I'll be anxious to see what "TheRealGunsmith" has to say, assuming that is a sham for this game.

xvart.

[totallynotmafia]

You guys are kidding right? She got caught out changing her claim after she realised her original fake-claim didn't involve a gun! How is she possibly town???

[Espeonage]

I am almost 100% sure that Hoopla is town, mainly because I am town and she would say that she got a guilty on o town or an innocent on a mafia mamber so therefore, seeing as I am town and she confirmed me as town, Hoopla is town.

Vote: TNM

[totallynotmafia]

No, that doesn't make sense. Think about it, if you are town and if Hoopla said she had a guilty on you then we would all lynch you, then you would flip town and we would all know she was lying scum. Saying she has a guilty result on you would be the dumbest move for scum.

Smart scum will always try to legitimise a fake cop-claim by claiming innocent on town and guilty on fellow scum.

[Espeonage]

There is more than one faction so giving an innocent on a town is too risky for a mafia member because they might be clearing someone who is in an enemy faction.

[totallynotmafia]

Look, here's what happened. I lost the key to my first cryptoclaim and knew I'd be lynched for it after I remember I hadn't saved it. This is why I claimed this way - because if I was going to be lynched anyway, I might as well have tried to repost my role PM. It was a risk that I needed to take, because there was no downside to losing.

I am a cop

, and it sucks because ani will probably just out someone tomorrow as well.

I don't expect to be believed, but this is what happened, and I am sorry for losing my first password. I knew it had to come out at some point though.

You're right, I don't believe you, if you had legitemately lost your password you would have just said it rather than trying to pass off that claim as your original one.

Town PLEASE keep your password safe, if you claim to lose it you will be lynched. Otherwise it defeats the whole purpose of the cryptoclaim if scum can just say "whoops lost my password".

[totallynotmafia]

There is more than one faction so giving an innocent on a town is too risky for a mafia member because they might be clearing someone who is in an enemy faction.

How do you know there is more than one faction?

[Espeonage]

look at the role PM quoted in the night 1 results.