Karma Mafia (Game Over!)

[bv310]

Does anybody have any specific questions for me while I'm here? I'm bored as all hell in this class.

[Seraphim]

bv, who is scum?

[bv310]

Wait, just saw Sera's 499.

I feel like three of: Richard, Espeonage, ABR, and CKD are scum. Maybe Farside too. After Whedon, I'm suspicious of her. Getting the same vibe now as I did then.

[Patrick]

Votecount

Albert B. Rampage (1) -- My Milked Eek
RichardGHP (9) -- Porochaz, Faraday, Sando, Jahudo, bv310, NickF227, Pomegranate, Javert, boberz
bv310 (7) -- Papa Zito, Anon, Seraphim, Espeonage, farside22, curiouskarmadog, RichardGHP
Espeonage (2) -- Ojanen, dybeck
Pomegranate (1) -- Albert B. Rampage

Not voting: Nobody
20 alive, 11 to lynch.

[Seraphim]

Why? And why do you feel like three of your four suspects are scum? Why that number?

[bv310]

Mostly for reasons that have already been stated re: Richard and Esp. ABR just smells scummy to me based on the sheer lack of contribution and jumping on wagons. I feel like CKD could be scum pushing a mislynch under the guise of a policy lynch, and Farside is for the reason stated.

As for three of four, I don't feel that both CKD and Richard are scum. If they are, then they win the record for quickest bussing in a game.

[farside22]

I'm trying to understand what you mean by downplaying CKD.He is being obsessed. He's obviously bothered to note that CKD voted for him 3 times and admitted to tunneling. I took CKD's comments more as a joke but to me it looked like it got to Richard. Why should someone voting for a player 3 times in 4 pages bother anyone?

Ok, we see "obsessed" differently. We read the context differently at minimum I think. I assumed reminiscnece of bitter arguing from another topic (these games take ages, that always seems to me to exaggerate this stuff) and a joking or serious, more or less veiled insult and didn't think it strange R would take note. I assume you read it as early, if emphathized voting by one person, showing a sign of caring is scummy.

Not sure your wording here is a bit confusing to me.

[dybeck]

Mostly for reasons that have already been stated re: Richard and Esp. ABR just smells scummy to me based on the sheer lack of contribution and jumping on wagons. I feel like CKD could be scum pushing a mislynch under the guise of a policy lynch, and Farside is for the reason stated.

As for three of four, I don't feel that both CKD and Richard are scum. If they are, then they win the record for quickest bussing in a game.

What about me and Seraphim, bv?

[farside22]

The reasoning behind my question is that it just seems too early for scum to be bussing one of their own. There's an incredibly juicy alternate wagon on Richard that they could be plugging, whilst still flying under the radar. It just doesn't sit right with me that there'd be bussing going on in this specific situation. Does that make sense?

XXXX Wrong, bussing day 1 on a player that got caught is the perfect place to be for scum it makes you supposedly more town for being on that wagon.
I see a few votes on Richard that i didn't care for so I'm waiting to see what happens from those who voted him that were weak and bw votes.

@jahudo: in regards to MME. This post here hypocritical and bland fluff
He has made a total of 6 post and on Thrusday he said he was on v/la

bv310 post 502: Great another game I will never be trusted from.

bv310 post 505 CKD retrated his vote on Richard how does this fall under scum pushing for a mislynch under the guise of policy?

[bv310]

I feel Sera is townie, just slightly tunneled, and I feel like you are playing really similar to Narnia (protown)

[bv310]

Farside, he switched to a different wagon right when the one he started was gaining steam. It just seems like he's engineering the lynch, then backing off so he's not on it if it ends up being a mislynch.

[dybeck]

I feel Sera is townie, just slightly tunneled, and I feel like you are playing really similar to Narnia (protown)

Having said that, In Narnia, my scumdar was 100% wrong 100% of the time...

[Sando]

Unvote, Vote: Dybeck

The wishy-washiness previously alluded too looked at the time to be a pretty clear attempt to derail BV wagon.

Is worried that scum won't do anything controversial, and that people standing out will get lynched.

States that while not thinking BV is scummy, scum are probably not bussing him and are on Richard:

Unlikely, but this game's going nowhere until the majority of this town has heard enough from bv to make an informed decision one way or another.

The reasoning behind my question is that it just seems too early for scum to be bussing one of their own. There's an incredibly juicy alternate wagon on Richard that they could be plugging, whilst still flying under the radar.

Dybeck seems to be implying that BV isn't scummy, so the people on there could be scum, but that if BV is scummy, that the scum wouldn't be on the wagon.

Dybeck seems to be consistently trying to undermine the wagons without actually providing an opinion on the wagonned people. I'm not sure exactly why, but one thing I can't fathom is why town would do this.

The vote and reversal on ABR is odd, but the jump onto Espeonage seems like simply an excuse to set up a third wagon. The general wishy-washiness regarding whether or not he'll join one of the wagons is typical fence-sitting, offering no real opinion on the scumminess of either wagon.

[NickF227]

@Nick: If you're keeping your vote on Richard, can you elaborate on the things you mentioned? Why is the vote on farside weird? Was his voting after being under pressure a strong or weak tell for him being town or scum?

Well, I think its pretty clear. Saying that farside looks town in one post and then voting for her in the next post is pretty....well, do I really need to explain this? Its self-explanatory.

Voting under pressure, to me, is a weak tell either way you look at it, but I think it'd be more of a scum tell. A townie has nothing to prove, but a mafioso wants to 'prove' that he isn't scum, so they are more likely to follow orders. Just my experience, though.

[Papa Zito]

Well, I think its pretty clear. Saying that farside looks town in one post and then voting for her in the next post is pretty....well, do I really need to explain this? Its self-explanatory.

This... this never happened.

[My Milked Eek]

Hi, I'm back. Sorry for the two day delay, but I came down with a cold while working for that deadline, so I took a day to recover. I'm catching up and posting later today, just making sure you guys know I'm still alive.

[Ojanen]

Esp, opinion on Richard?
bv, did you make a conscious decision to be more defined in your stances after you got wagoned?

[boberz]

I have not picked up anything new from this game. Richard seems bad to me. I agree VI but they can be scum and this time I think he is.

BV I am less sure on but I understand where the argument is coming from and agree he looks a bit scummy. I do not like the fact after a prodding he came back and didnt scumhunt at all.

I agree that moaning at two wagons without providing a real alternative is a bit dubious but that has already been picked up on.

MME make sure there is real content later please.

[curiouskarmadog]

ok, so I am not going to be able to post until the weekends for a bit. will hit this friday morning me thinks.

[Jahudo]

Richard is still scummy until he comes back and can defend the case on him, but Nick has just risen to my number 2 suspect.

@Nick: If you're keeping your vote on Richard, can you elaborate on the things you mentioned? Why is the vote on farside weird? Was his voting after being under pressure a strong or weak tell for him being town or scum?

Well, I think its pretty clear. Saying that farside looks town in one post and then voting for her in the next post is pretty....well, do I really need to explain this? Its self-explanatory.

No, no its not. His farside vote was in the random vote stage, in post 42. His flop saying farside looked town after his reaction test was in post 309. So I'll ask again, why the vote on farside weird?

Vote: NickF227

[Porochaz]

Javert, you are possibly correct however I don't view the explanation as something that would warrant a policy lynch, that just sounds like a difference of opinion within a game. Maybe ckd could shed some light on that subject?

As for the person who asked about the 2 best and 2 worst, I am uneasy to do so for obvious reasons Richard is the most scummy in my eyes, Im fairly sure I said that bv was also a good wagon but not one I wish to join as of now as Im currently interested in what he has to say. MME's consistent promises is starting to get a bit wearing now. As for who's town, Id rather not say specifically but for the purposes of the exercise lets say anyone I havent mentioned in this paragraph I find townie to varying degrees.

[Papa Zito]

Was reading back a bit on dybeck.

Dybeck, why the hell did you ask people to provide their top 2 town reads?

[boberz]

I swear I mentioned this at the time, I said I didnt like it. henever explained then.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote Nick

[Espeonage]

Esp, opinion on Richard?
bv, did you make a conscious decision to be more defined in your stances after you got wagoned?

His absence under pressure speaks to me that the case on him might hold a bit more water than it does on face value. However I am happy with my vote right now.