227 - You Only Live Twice - Game Over!

[Flying Dutchman]

No power to green liquids!

Vote: Green Liquid

[Flying Dutchman]

This game is very swayed to the scum side, I'm afraid..... A second (probably semi-random) day one lynch won't be of much use to us, I fear, while the extra kills can really hurt us.

[Flying Dutchman]

And it is easy to prove who is right: we just ask both acounts to predict what the first word of that normal account's next post (in another thread) will be. If they are both wrong they are both lying.

Dead people are not allowed to talk..... I think doing something like this simply breaks the rules. It's out of thread communication.... The only solution is lynching both people if 2 claim the same role. However, I don't think a mass claim is a solution. If, for example the doc is outed we'll have a double problem all of a sudden. Not to mention the advantage that a cop can reveal the results of 2 accounts by revealing his identity on one of his names, and can keep the other concealed. The town doesn't have many advantages; we shouldn't be too eager to give away the few we have.

FOS: Everyone suggesting a mass claim.

This is not the way to go.

[Flying Dutchman]

Vote: ?YouYou?

Trying to get someone lynched without voting yourself is a standard mafia tactic, since not being on the bandwagon will appear innocent if the person is lynched and turns out innocent.

[Flying Dutchman]

Unvote: ?YouYou?

Sorry, I missed the vote.

[Flying Dutchman]

Second vote count request.

The impression I get is that there are two "separate" Mafias, one composed of, say, Meme, mathcam and Talitha, and the other of ?Meme?, ?mathcam? and ?Talitha?. Once all the normal or ?? Mafia are dead, then, their kill is gone.

Your guess is as good as mine....... I think this is probably true, and this may be very important. With 2 scum kills each night we won't survive for long..... However, earlier we discussed getting rid of all ?? accounts, and I still think that's a bad idea..... I'll give this some additional thought.

[Flying Dutchman]

Now *this* is an argument I'm seeing something in.

Vote: ?YouYou?

Vote: Deadline

This is dragging....

[Flying Dutchman]

I fail to see why one would falsely claim to be the counterpart of someone else...... However, if Commodore's someone else, go claim, of course.

[Flying Dutchman]

Unvote, Vote: GreenLiquid

Not a hard choice.

[Flying Dutchman]

Each day there will be two lynches,

they can both be from the same group if you guys wish

. They will still require the majority of votes.

yay!

Unvote
Vote: Dranko

I seriously hate that attitude, and now I can vote him. I prefer to let ?ClearLiquid? wait, let's get Dranko down first...

[Flying Dutchman]

Unvote: Dranko

Apology accepted.

Vote: Clearliquid

Do we actually know which liquid is who?

[Flying Dutchman]

Vote: ?Purple Liquid?

That's the easy part of the day......

5 kills, that's a lot..... Presumably 1 vig kill in there. Good call, I guess, with just lynching we can't win this game...

[Flying Dutchman]

Vote: Clearliquid

Do we actually know which liquid is who?

And we lynched the wrong one...... This was totally unnecessary, my second vote will go to the person that pushed for ClearLiquid. I'll need a re-read for that, though...

[Flying Dutchman]

Vote: PurpleLiquid

Easy thing....

[Flying Dutchman]

Wow, that shouldn't be a reason for a modkill, right? Just a simple mistake......

[Flying Dutchman]

OK, that's clear. Time to get talking again..... Where were we?

[Flying Dutchman]

On night one i protected Seol, and Flying Dutchman.

This is impossible.

Unvote, Vote: SapphireVerde

[Flying Dutchman]

As requested by ?YouYou?, my secondary is ?NamelessOne?.

vote: ?Charlie?

He's scum. One half of the serial killer to be precise.

Who are you? And why do you think ?Charlie? is SK?

That should answer your first question. As for your second one, that's kind of a given isn't it? I'm a backup cop. I can tell you we have masons (well, I know we have one, but where there's one....) and something called a secondary cop. That should help with proving my credibillity.

I believe you, and I have a fairly simple reason for it: I am the secondary cop, and I doubt you've made that role up. My night results were:

N1:
Quailman = ?Colinus?
?YouYou? = Commodore Amazing

N2:
?Rainbow Brite? = Seol
I also targeted SapphireVerde, but some target manipulator changed that to Mepmuff. He is also ????

N3:
I targeted d_rouge, who is ?Charlie? I also targetted ?Charlie?, who happened to be d_rouge..... Bad targetting luck, I guess.

Since Mepmuff got my rolename right I'm prepared to take a shot at ?Charlie? and d_rouge...... Best shot we have at winning this game, I believe.

However, no vote yet: I first want d_rouge to claim..... If we screw this situation up we're all dead tomorrow, we really need to lynch the right person today.......

[Flying Dutchman]

I'm sorry if I made you wait, but I still don't have an internet connection at my place since I moved to Paris.
My other half is ?Charlie?, as you all know by now, and we are masons. If you go back reading this thread you'll find that I defended ?YouYou? after his claim.

?YouYou? is this true?

Speaking of which, does anybody know exactly what a misdirector does? Because FD told he knew he was misdirected, while your theory about last night implies that the roleblocker didn't know he was misdirected.

I'm not entirely sure how this works, it may be true that I just got to know my misdirection because I receive results. Perhaps other roles, like docs and roleblockers, won't get to know this. (I actually submitted MoS as a choice, got redirected to mepmuff, and I sent a PM to the mod to find out if I was punished for submitting the name of a replaced player. I got the answer that an in-game ability had altered my choice).

Of course someone is lying, and we have to find out who. I'm thinking that the secondary cop could very well be a mafia role.

Do you seriously believe that a 4 or 6 player mafia group in a 24 player game (because that's what we're basically dealing with) gets additional powers?! I certainly hope not, that would make the game really unfair.

The problem we have, as far as informations about dead people go, is that if we lynch just one half of FD we don't know if he's mafia or not.

This is true, and I certainly hope we're not going to lynch the both halves of me here to find out my role....

I don't know if the fact that there was just 3 kills last night may give us any information about what kind of scum is still alive, I'll have to think about it some more.

Well, I'm pretty sure we don't have a doc left, so maybe some kind of blocker got lucky, or scum and SK targeted the same person (I just thought of this... I may have jumped to conclusions in my last post).

For that matter, there's nothing in FD's results that he couldn't have copied from within the thread.

You've gotta be kidding me here. I'm not going to re-read the entire thread for this, but I named pairs of which (to my own surprise) always is at least one alive. I'm pretty certain I named some pairs that hadn't claimed yet (No, I don't feel like looking this up...). If I was making this up I would never have gambled this much, and at least chosen SOME results on dead players.....

[Flying Dutchman]

Vote: ?Impossible?

Let's get his role before we decide what to do next.

[Flying Dutchman]

God damn it.

OK, now you've done it. I'm scum. The last one left, actually. I guess a 3-player mafia group was considered too powerful for this game. When GreenLiquid died I became godfather. It appears that we don't have a normal cop in this game, as I was told a rolename to claim and it appears I didn't turn up as "mafia godfather" in investigations.

As I know the mod found a 3 person scum group too big I feel safe to assume that there's not a 3 person mason group in this game. Go lynch me if you must, but I'll use the last kill I have tonight to take out the person I consider most likely to be SK. Even when I do that you guys have to lynch right tomorrow.

Lynch me if you must, but not before thinking this one through. I'm sure one of you will be eager to lynch me, but after this post he won't push for the lynch that obvious any more.... Oh well, do the right thing! I rather see a town than a SK win!

[Flying Dutchman]

After writing that, you could as well voted for yourself.
Any reasons we shouldn't lynch you?

vote: Flying Dutchman

How about: there are 6 people alive right after you lynch me. The SK will kill 2 people tonight leaving him able to force a no-lynch tomorrow, and winning the game?!

[Flying Dutchman]

Anyway, now the SK knows who you are so you're probably going to die tonight. Even in the case where you kill an innocent, there will be 4 people with an SK tomorrow, which means it's not game over.

that WILL be game over for the SK. If he kills an innocent tonight, so you guys will have to spend 1 of your lynches tomorrow lynching my other half, he stands a much better chance.

[Flying Dutchman]

*eats cookie, has a cup of tea and waits for other players to enter*

[Flying Dutchman]

d_rouge, I didn't kill you because you deserved to win. I've done all in my power to convince the town otherwsie, but they didn't realise I was telling the truth when I said that lynching me was loosing the game. i decided to make it a really hard lesson... Sort of revenge.

Good game, all!