Left 4 Dead Mafia - Day 6?

[jmj3000]

If you want to expand this to another tier we have a quoted PM. If he is scum and it was a fakeclaim, scum just burned one. In some games scum will get fewer then members of the team, so they would have just burned one.

If we work along the same line of this logic, a mass name claim would be beneficial to town, as there is a chance that scum would have to fabricate a claim.

Not an easy task I assure you.

But you're opposed to a mass nameclaim, hm?

On a slightly related note, did anyone notice the completed Portal Mafia game next door? The 3 scum (cores) were all given the same safeclaim (cubes). That's hilarious! But then again it is also sad. But then again it's hilarious!

Regarding jmj3000's claim, I don't trust that racecar driver. He might be infected!

Charlie, how do you know it's hard to fabricate a fake claim? Been trying to do it for yourself? If you're town, there is no need to try and fabricate a claim, so there should be no reason for you to know how hard it is. So Charlie, why do you know how hard or easy it is to fabricate a claim hmm?

unvote, Vote: Charlie

Let's hear some answers.

[Furry]

If you want to expand this to another tier we have a quoted PM. If he is scum and it was a fakeclaim, scum just burned one. In some games scum will get fewer then members of the team, so they would have just burned one.

If we work along the same line of this logic, a mass name claim would be beneficial to town, as there is a chance that scum would have to fabricate a claim. Not an easy task I assure you.

Given the quoting thing yes, I agree. Apart from that someone who is good at playing scum knows what to claim four out of five times.

But you're opposed to a mass nameclaim, hm?

Yep

On a slightly related note, did anyone notice the completed Portal Mafia game next door? The 3 scum (cores) were all given the same safeclaim (cubes). That's hilarious! But then again it is also sad. But then again it's hilarious!

Well what they were supposed to do what have one use the claim and the others claim VT... but whatever. You notice that the sample has no name, just survivor. Scum at very least (I would bet more) have safeclaims.

Regarding jmj3000's claim, I don't trust that racecar driver. He might be infected!

Sorry, jmj is town. I can not stress how serious I am about this enough. I would only rather not lynch about five players more.

[Charlie]

@jmj3000:Oh that's an easy one!

Because in L4D and L4D2, there are only so many characters to create flavour from. Glork mentioned it, do you need me to dig up the post? He said something like 15 characters and 2-3 vague ones. I confirm this! (as an L4D2 player)

[Charlie]

On the subject, Little Golden Book Mafia had both scum identified by two different players based on the mass claim ... and that was with a mod provided safe claim.

I laughed out loud when I was done reading that thread. Especially at the google search part, when people were researching characters.

Anyway, I can now see quite clearly the town benefits of a mass name claim. Can someone (not necessarily Furry) please point out to me what are the possible disadvantages?

Well what they were supposed to do what have one use the claim and the others claim VT... but whatever. You notice that the sample has no name, just survivor. Scum at very least (I would bet more) have safeclaims.

Hey, you're wrong. First part is not applicable (due to setup).
The sample on post 1 did have a "role name (in bold), Survivor (in green) there. Anyhoo, I'm saying that we can use knowledge of the theme to town's advantage. Theme games go by "knowledge of the theme is not necessary, but may be useful", am I correct?

Sorry, jmj is town. I can not stress how serious I am about this enough. I would only rather not lynch about five players more.

I'm considering. That's why I'm not voting.

If people are generally opposed to the idea of thematic discussion, then I'll stop.

Mod: Are there any problems with discussing completed games? I hope not

[Steam-Powered Shovel]

If we have power roles in addition to the items, then a mass name claim would probably lead the scum to them. That's the only possible disadvantage I can think of.

Discussing completed games is just dandy.

Furry, based on the game so far, I would totally expect scum to claim townie.

[Starbuck]

What would you expect scum to claim? Scum? I mean seriously.

[almightybob]

DocPotter, bv claimed he got the Boomer Bile. Both myself and DN have said that we did not get it. You are the only person who can counterclaim him now. Do you wish to do so?

[almightybob]

Why arent you voting jmj? You havent answered this yet

Why, do you want me to vote for him?

I'm not currently voting for him because:
1) I'm waiting to see if DocPotter counterclaims bv for the Bile or not before I move my vote anywhere
2) I'm waiting for you to satisfactorily answer the following question (this will be the third time of me asking you):

Also, the part I mostly wanted an answer to was

Please point to some aspect of his play that you feel is pro-Town. Because as far as I can see, all he's done is stall all game and then regurgitate arguments made by other people.

If you can demonstrate to me why you think he's Town, I

might

not vote for him. OTOH, deadline is tomorrow so I might vote him anyway.

Now I know I said the scums very likely have fakeclaims, but my gut just says that the claim rings true. I have no "reasoning" behind it.

I'm sure you can imagine why I wouldn't be impressed by that. You were voting him before his claim, so presumably you thought he was scum then. There's nothing in the claim that would make me change my mind.


Also,

@Mod: Please note I will be V/LA from 2nd - 7th April, going skiiing

. I may be able to get online maybe once or twice during this time, but it's unlikely.

[dramonic]

Possible disadvantage being the deadline is hella close and we'll probably end up with a NL if we dont do something soon.

I'm still skeptical about the jmj claim.

[Starbuck]

2.

DAY PHASE

: Vote, and shit. There will be a universal deadline of 3 weeks for every phase.

Mods: What happens if we don't meet the lynch quota? Does that person get lynched or is it a no lynch?

[jmj3000]

I won't be able to do much until around 3 EST this afternoon due to classes starting up today, but I will try to check in.

[almightybob]

Starbuck:

1.

VOTING:

[...] If no one reaches the needed votes for a lynch by the time of deadline, there will be no lynch at all that day.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Ifrinn has not picked up prod, and will be replaced if 2nd prod is not answered to. Votecount to come later.

If that's the case, can we get a deadline extension if/when we get a replacement.

[Starbuck]

Thanks Bob. I guess I just can't read.

[Glork]

Now I know I said the scums very likely have fakeclaims, but my gut just says that the claim rings true. I have no "reasoning" behind it.

I'm sure you can imagine why I wouldn't be impressed by that. You were voting him before his claim, so presumably you thought he was scum then. There's nothing in the claim that would make me change my mind.

To be completely frank, I couldn't give a flying fuck if you're impressed or not. I changed my mind. If that makes me scummy to you, well I guess I'll just have to bear that cross myself. But just between you and me, I think I just *might* pull through.

[Ifrinn]

*
Sorry. I recieved a prod via my main account. This game had previously floated to the back of my mind. Many apologies. If someone would like to catch me up that would be terrific but i will be rereading myself regardless. Immediately. We're talking in the next 6-8hours.

Also. Since my other half has not yet shown (?) I will be taking full control until he returns and gives his input this includes voting, voicing my own opinion, taking firm stances etc. And then he and you can punish me outrightly if needs be.

Sorry again to both players and the moderator. If anyone feels it would be more beneficial were i to replace out. I could do that also.
*

[Starbuck]

Who is supposed to make up the Ifrinn hydra?

[almightybob]

Does anyone have meta knowledge of whether Glork reacting like a dickhead is a Town, scum or nulltell for him?

[The AI Director]

Regarding all the questions:

- Yes, completed games may be discussed. Of course.

- READ THE RULES STARBUCK! GOSH! <3

- Since Ifrinn is not getting replaced,

deadline is still in three hours

.

[almightybob]

- Since Ifrinn is not getting replaced,

deadline is still in three hours

.

Unvote, vote: jmj3000

[Glork]

Deadline: April 1st at 7:00PM.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:51 pm Post subject: 32

Deadline: April 1st at 7:00PM.

Don't you mean 27 hours?

Also, me being snarky is a nulltell, though I expect you'll want to hear that from somebody else.

[Glork]

Also, I royally fucked up quoting the mod there... but you get the idea.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Deadline: April 1st at 7:00PM.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:51 pm Post subject: 32

Deadline: April 1st at 7:00PM.

Don't you mean 27 hours?

Also, me being snarky is a nulltell, though I expect you'll want to hear that from somebody else.

My experience of playing with Glork before has been filled with Snark. I'm pretty sure I've played with him as town and scum, too.

[Tarhalindur]

Screw it - anybody else up for trying to run Amished to lynch threshold in >24 hours? I'll switch back to jmj if I need to for lynch, but right now I'd rather trust my gut. Would consider a Socrates vote if not for extenuating circumstances.

Vote: Amished

[Tarhalindur]

Wait, forgot something.

Unvote, Vote: Amished

That's more like it.