Left 4 Dead Mafia - Day 6?

[Starbuck]

Bv has a grand total of 27 posts.


DocPotter has 21 (but has about the same contribution as bv).
Glork has 22 (but most of his are quite full of substance).
dramonic has 6 posts (and A LOT LESS contribution than bv).
thatguy has 26 (but has about the same contribution as bv).



Have you even looked at dramonic in iso? I don't understand how you can be voting for Bv for your reasoning and not be voting for dramonic.

[The AI Director]

Louis

: Grabbin' peelz!

The Tenth Vote Count of Day One

DeathNote (2): Ifrinn, bv310
bv310 (3): jmj3000, DizzyIzzyB13, almightybob
jmj3000 (7): Starbuck, Socrates, DocPotter, Amished, thatguy00, dramonic, Pomegranate
almightybob (2): DeathNote, Steam-Powered Shovel
DizzyIzzyB13 (1): Furry
Amished (1): Glork

Not voting (2): Charlie, Tarhalindur

With 18 alive, it takes 10 votes to lynch.

Deadline: April 1st at 7:00PM.

[Glork]

Glork, before I say anything else - what are your thoughts on Socrates?

Don't know, don't particularly care.

Unvote, Vote: jmj

By my count that's L-1. Claim, JMJ.

[jmj3000]

I'm voting bv and not dramonic using my logic because bv has been in this game since the beginning, dramonic just recently replaced in. I don't see any contribution by bv except him just going along with the flow of town and not voicing his own opinions. Also, I'm at L-2, your vote glork is the 8th on me going by the latest vote count.

[dramonic]

Bv has a grand total of 27 posts.


DocPotter has 21 (but has about the same contribution as bv).
Glork has 22 (but most of his are quite full of substance).
dramonic has 6 posts (and A LOT LESS contribution than bv).
thatguy has 26 (but has about the same contribution as bv).



Have you even looked at dramonic in iso? I don't understand how you can be voting for Bv for your reasoning and not be voting for dramonic.

I've been in the game for a much shorter period of time than those other guys.

[almightybob]

Explain your opinions on lynching claimed power roles.

Whoa whoa whoa. Where did I miss bv claiming a power role?

[Starbuck]

Explain your opinions on lynching claimed power roles.

Whoa whoa whoa. Where did I miss bv claiming a power role?

Here

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Explain your opinions on lynching claimed power roles.

Whoa whoa whoa. Where did I miss bv claiming a power role?

Items confer abilities for the remainder of the game. bv has claimed posession of an item. This means bv has claimed to have an ability for the length of the game (while he's alive). What else do you think he is?

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Eeep, I forgot I was voting for bnv...

unvote

[DizzyIzzyB13]

I'm voting bv and not dramonic using my logic because bv has been in this game since the beginning, dramonic just recently replaced in. I don't see any contribution by bv except him just going along with the flow of town and not voicing his own opinions. Also, I'm at L-2, your vote glork is the 8th on me going by the latest vote count.

Explain why you believe it is a good idea to lynch a claimed power role.

[almightybob]

Here

Items confer abilities for the remainder of the game. bv has claimed posession of an item. This means bv has claimed to have an ability for the length of the game (while he's alive). What else do you think he is?

Oh. I thought you meant he'd claimed that his actual role was a power one, as in what he got in his role PM.

Standard practice when someone claims a PR is to check for a counter-claim, and lynch the liar if there is one. Since bv already claimed his role unprompted, we might as well check now. This will be especially easy in this situation because we know the only people who could counterclaim are me, DN and DocPotter.

I didn't get the Bile.
DN/DocPotter?

[Starbuck]

I'm not sure, but I think DN said he didn't get it.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

I'm not sure, but I think DN said he didn't get it.

I believe you're referring to this post following the Bile being awarded.

So the item has already be taken then? Why are we not stating who has it?

That doesn't seem definitively denying he has it, and it's perfectly possible that the person who did grab it would be asking this question, either because they're unsure as to whether they should claim in light of the earlier discussion, or because they're breadcrumbing a later claim.

[DeathNote]

I have not claimed to receive an item, nor do I cc BVs claim to get the bile.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

I have not claimed to receive an item,

nor do I cc BVs claim to get the bile

.

What do you mean?

[DeathNote]

I don't counter claim him getting the bile?

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Ah, thank you.

[Amished]

Sorry about the weekend absence; definitely wasn't planning on that.

Here's my catchup on the last 3 pages or so:

@Glork: My vote on jmj is due to the fact that I think he's scum and needs to be lynched. I'm advocating for that.

re my interaction with thatguy00: I was trying to figure out what the hell he was thinking. I can't figure it out without asking him.

jmj's laziness and relying on others for his defense in 417 is uninspiring.

Not really feeling Izzy as scum. Not sure why Furry jumped on bv and then off so quickly to vote for Izzy.

Glork's 464 (asking Pom for top suspects, and *pairings*) is intentionally leading and scummy.

That pretty much catches me up; but one last question:

@Glork: Since I'm "still scum"; what do you make of me voting for the person that you just put to L-1? And doing so before a bandwagon really built steam while you hop on at the end for a claim? I haven't specifically checked, but I didn't see you talking about jmj much just from memory.

[Glork]

I'm voting bv and not dramonic using my logic because bv has been in this game since the beginning, dramonic just recently replaced in. I don't see any contribution by bv except him just going along with the flow of town and not voicing his own opinions. Also, I'm at L-2, your vote glork is the 8th on me going by the latest vote count.

You're right, I thought it was 9 to lynch.

That said, day ends in like 48 hours. You should claim anyway, unless you feel like becoming the "default" lynch. If you don't claim in your next post, you will be lynched for stalling.

[Glork]

@Glork: My vote on jmj is due to the fact that I think he's scum and needs to be lynched. I'm advocating for that.

re my interaction with thatguy00: I was trying to figure out what the hell he was thinking. I can't figure it out without asking him.

You're not understanding what I'm saying. I know that you piled onto the wagon because you want him lynched. What I'm saying is that the manner, timing, and language with which you piled onto the wagon is uber hella scummy.

Also, your interaction with thatguy is scummy. You said you are "positive" he is scum, yet you baby him and now you're saying you were just trying to figure figure out wtf he was saying.

Glork's 464 (asking Pom for top suspects, and *pairings*) is intentionally leading and scummy.

Yep. Asking a completely open-ended question is leading, and trying to figure out other players' suspicions is scummy. Try coming up with an OMGUS reason that makes an iota of sense.

@Glork: Since I'm "still scum"; what do you make of me voting for the person that you just put to L-1? And doing so before a bandwagon really built steam while you hop on at the end for a claim? I haven't specifically checked, but I didn't see you talking about jmj much just from memory.

[Glork]

(In other news, some food for thought: There is an above-average chance that Steam-Powered Shovel is also scum.

[Starbuck]

It said 9 earlier. Something changed.

[Glork]

Okay, that's what I thought. I mean, there are 18 alive, so it should be 10 to lynch, not 9. My guess is that the mod accidentally put 9 in a vote count, and everyone went off of that.

[Amished]

@Glork: I was pretty sure that thatguy is scum (and not much has changed, just other people have come up more recently).

Also, it's more the "why/how do you think they're paired" part of your question that I disagree with. It both implies inside knowledge (one scum group if they're all paired) and allows an avenue to discredit her in the future if she thinks that somebody is paired and one of them flips town; even if she's right about the other one.

[Glork]

It doesn't change the fact that, for somebody who posted this:

I'll take a look at jmj; but I'm positive that thatguy is scum

you've done an amazing job of NOT trying to get him lynched. If I were certain that somebody were scum, I would do everything within my power to convince the rest of the town to lynch that player.

This tells me that your "suspicions" are extremely overblown at best, and more likely donwright

insincere

.



Regarding my questions to Pom:
1) I don't understand how "do you think your top suspects are likely to be scumbuddies" implies any kind of knowledge about the game. I would love for you to explain this.
2) I was trying to get a feel for how critically Pom thinks about player suspicions in early-game. Her response was appropriate, and it gave me the information I wanted to know.
3) Regarding the "discredit" point, I don't see how that's relevant. Saying that two players could PLAUSIBLY be scum together does not mean that they are either both town or both scum. There is no avenue for discredit.