ZOMBIES! - Zombies take over for the win!!!

[ODDin]

Starbuck, evilsnail either made a typo or meant "on N2 I doscovered that reck targeted kmd". His post really makes no sense otherwise - read the context, he says that he didn't push to lynch reck D2 because he didn't know his info yet, not because the info was about N2 to begin with.
You're seriously reaching.

Even if he's lying, this isn't evidence to that.

[Albert B. Rampage]

What ABR said actually makes a lot of sense. I'm not sure why I've never thought about doing this before.

ABR, at what point do you think we should get around to lynching one of the two?

Tomorrow IMO. One of evilsnail and Reck will find out more information, or one will die and we lynch the other.

As for ABR's plan, it has pluses and minuses. The sooner we know who is scum, the sooner we can draw conclusions from it to find the rest of the scumteam. As long as we're pursuing the "one of them is scum but we don't know who" avenue of thinking, we can't really try to discern what it means.

Yes, this is true. But we should consider that there's always individually scummy people in the game.

I don't like it either. Scum will claim blocked, or an inno result on scum/guilty on town.

Yeah and the town one will have valid info. Reck, why would you target bv anyway??

[xRECKONERx]

1) @ Evilsnail: If it doesn't go without saying, I would not say whom you targeted last night as it may result in something bad (a NK) happening.
2) With the death of a deputy, it's mighty convenient for xReckx to claim cop. It would be a safe claim for mafia because there is a 100% chance of a cop in this setup now and because it would out the real cop for mafia to later kill. If xReckx is lying, I am curious as to what you would think of the real cop counterclaiming xReckx. And while it may sound like a softclaim, I am indeed not a cop.

There won't be a counterclaim,

because I am the fucking cop

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@Starbuck: Yeah, let's just say I ran into some problems this weekend (drama drama drama bawww) so I didn't really have time to put together a case. In any case, I think we have more pressing matters at the moment.

[xRECKONERx]

@ABR: when I have an investigative role and no really strong scum reads on anyone, I target the most neutral players that I can.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Reck's anger seems genuine to me. I'm not convinced by the case on him.

Evilsnail, when did you change your mind about Reckoner?

[iLord]

Tomorrow IMO. One of evilsnail and Reck will find out more information, or one will die and we lynch the other.

Yeah, in that case, the disadvantage is negligible and the extra result is nothing to scoff at. I'm fine with finding someone else to lynch then. Dunno who though, but I don't think we should lynch bv or ODDin.

[ODDin]

@ABR: when I have an investigative role and no really strong scum reads on anyone, I target the most neutral players that I can.

So bv was the most neutral player D1? I remember at least I've been accusing him already then.

[Pie_is_good]

Alternate theory: EvilSnail is a recruit attempting to suicide-bomb Reck. This will buy the overlords 2 nights' worth of recruiting so it's clearly worthwhile.

If this is true, we shouldn't lynch either one. Killing recruits is too slow.

In order for this to be true, someone else would need to account for the two nightkills. Perhaps a vig, if present, should do so?

[ODDin]

Unfortunately, there will be too much WIFOM going around if we just let both reck and evil live. ABR's plan of waiting until tomorrow might make sense, but by the onset of N4 one of them must die, one way or the other.

Also, there isn't necessarily a vig. There's the option that:
1) kmd was actually killed by the cult, so there's only one recruit.
2) yos was killed because he protected the wrong person (bodyguards and docs who die when protecting scum aren't too uncommon, I believe).

[wolframnhart]

unvote bv310

So much back and forth I missed while at work.
Way I see it:
1)Evil is lying because he all of a sudden got a result on Reck and has started in on him. I can easily see this as Evil had gotten recruited last night, and is trying to get Reck killed. In this instance if/when Reck flips town, zombies recruit another person next night, and Evil is lynched next day, saving one of or the Zombie Lord since he/they are the ones that need to be killed to end the game. KMD being a bodyguard could have protected a cult member and died from it ( i believe that is how bodyguard works yes?) so to say Reck "targetted" KMD is convenient for Evil to use against him.

2)Reck is scum and is trying to throw people off track and get Evil lynched, saving himself for another day, cult does not have to try and kill Evil who would be protected if possible because Recks flip of scum would prove him and Evil is free to watch others. Again KMD could have protected a cult member and died from that instead of being killed by cult, though it would take a confirmation of lynching either Reck or Evil to prove that I think.

Question is where to go from here. I am taking the family to Disneyland tomorrow so won't be posting till later, but will think on this and post up again when we get home, if not then very early next day.

[Pie_is_good]

Vote: Reck

Eh. There are certainly plausible scenarios where ES is gambitting, but whichever way you cut it, nobody is more likely to be an overlord right now. I'm willing to risk a coplynch for that.

[xRECKONERx]

How about this...

No lynch today? Let me and ES have another chance to get results, then report back tomorrow and decide?

Or we can lynch someone who's NOT me/ES/ODD/bv.

[MrSuave]

how about we not no lynch. that's a bad idea. at least lynches give us info. even if we get it wrong, it's still bad to no lynch. that is a bad thing.

Vote: Reck

[Pie_is_good]

No Lynch is indeed a terrible idea. I'll entertain the idea of lynching someone who's neither Reck nor ES, but not no lynch at all.

[Starbuck]

I also believe that no lynch is a bad idea, but I do like ABR's plan of not killing either one of them.

[Starbuck]

Right now, all we have is what evil said and what Reck said.

Neither one is confirmed.

This is something that needs to be remembered.

[evilsnail]

As several people have pointed out, it was a typo. I found out last night that xReck targetted KMD Night 1. My ability allows me to determine who someone targetted the night before.

Also, xReck is definitely not the town cop. Just the readiness with which he claimed should tell you that.

Reck's anger seems genuine to me. I'm not convinced by the case on him.

Evilsnail, when did you change your mind about Reckoner?

I think it was Night 1. Might have already been later that day. I played a game with him in which he was town recently and he's just not contributing nearly as much as then. Also, I didn't like the vote he came out Day 2.

By the end of Day 2, xReck was one of my top suspects.

Who I believe is the scummiest player? Well, my top suspects for scum are you and xReck. I also don't like bv310's opportunism and lack of contribution (plus, he's my nemesis).

[ODDin]

wolf: yos was the bodyguard, kmd was the deputy.

No lynch is obviously a bad idea. Interesting that reck brings up the idea of lynching neither himself nor evil as if it were his own idea, and not ABR's idea, which had already been discussed a lot by the time he posted 1411.

[Starbuck]

I really don't feel that Reck was bringing it up as his own idea. I feel you are reaching with this point.

[ODDin]

I didn't say I was completely certain, but the "how about this" part sounds as if he's bringing it up as his own idea. You say "how about this" about something you expect people to not have considered before.

[ODDin]

By the way, your defense of reck and valiant attempts to get evil lynched are noticed.

[Starbuck]

Hold the phone, am I even voting for evil?


OH LOOK.......








I'M NOT.


Obviously, you missed my Post 1414.

[Starbuck]

I also never said that Reck wasn't scummy.

[elvis_knits]

I believe Evilsnail. If this is a gambit then he's dying next. Scum don't usually do the 1-for-1, so I doubt evilsnail is gambitting.

Also, kmd flipped deputy, iirc. Evilsnail claiming sheriff fits with that flavor. Cop doesn't. And Reck claimed cop. Also, worst case scenario if reck is actually the cop is we get two confirmed town in bv and oddin.

unvote; vote reckoner

[xRECKONERx]

You guys are FUCKING RETARDED.

STOP FUCKING LYNCHING A TOWN POWER ROLE WHEN WE'VE ALREADY LOST TWO OTHERS.

People We Should Lynch From

1. Wolframnhart
2. CryMeARiver
6. animorpherv1
7. MrSuave
8. CooLDoG
9. Starbuck
11. elvis_knits
13. Nobody Special
14. Pie_is_good
15. Albert B. Rampage
17. iLord

Seriously? I didn't know who else to say, I thought no lynching might work out since then we WOULD NOT have a mislynch AND we'd get another night of results. But if nobody wants to No Lynch, can we at least look at this list and figure out someone else, because lynching me when I'm the fucking Cop is fucking stupid.

PS, sheriff as a role who can tell who people targeted the previous night makes even less sense than a deputy backing up a cop. Stop using flavor to distinguish this.