Mini 911 - Mike's Pizzeria Mafia (Game Over)

[Parama]

That Neto wagon was completely town-driven until the end, actually.

[Thor665]

Parama/Seven?

Egads - we wuz hoodwinked!

[Thor665]

Going back and looking that was pretty good play by Parama/Seven. No one had that team as much of a consideration (except for Jack during the mid point of his game time here - and apparently I was the schmuck who managed to help edge him away from it)

Everyone either had Parama or Seven, but nobody was on to both.

[Cuetlachtli]

Going back and looking that was pretty good play by Parama/Seven. No one had that team as much of a consideration (except for Jack during the mid point of his game time here - and apparently I was the schmuck who managed to help edge him away from it)

Everyone either had Parama or Seven, but nobody was on to both.

Since the game is basically over...I am going jump into the discussion.

Actually I had Parama and Seven as scum buddies on Day 1. That is why they killed me during the night. I thought my interaction with Parama at the end of Day 1 and my subsequent death made it obvious that Parama was up to something. I was disappointed that no one made an issue about it in Day 2 or later.

Parama or Seven, can you please post a link to your quicktopic?

[Cuetlachtli]

Dead people quicktopic:

http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/dqWQqU66tfZz

[Parama]

Mafia QT:
http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/nHxWs8RKj9dRR

Evilsnail never agreed with me on anything

[Jack]

I can't quite remember what flipped me from seven to neto

Maybe Neto coming in and waffling, calling parama town, and then rephrasing my main argument against seven in an unappealing way. Probably that combined with thor thinking seven was town. I wasn't really sure about the early day stuff because I wasn't there for it, and thor came out of his reread pretty convinced. I blame myself for not putting in the work though.

Parama--Seven--Evilsnail does seem most likely

Again, random and baseless.

Tell me you weren't laughing when you wrote this.

Good game anyway

[Parama]

Fun fact: If ever asked, I was going to claim vengeful townie. VT! But nobody ever asked me to claim.

Jack had the best reads in the game IMO. But you need to learn to at least build some sort of case, really.
And that post actually really freaked me out when it was first posted. I'm like "oh damn". But then I remembered you probably wouldn't be able to push it.

[Jack]

Well, I never really needed to push it because enough people found you scummy. I think most of us had it as parama-neto.

Seven was the one I should have put more work into.

[Cuetlachtli]

Wow Parama you are very lucky ES and Seven choose to NK me because you and Seven were pretty obvious scum buddies FMPOV.

Question to Thor, Jack and Neto:

Didn't you guys think it was odd that Seven and Parama weren't really contributing at all during Day 4?

also

You guys realize that you were at MYLO so you could have NLed on Day 4, giving you another day to have a more thorough discussion of the game?

It was very disappointing to me because you let Parama get away with not posting all of his ISOs, especially his one on Seven which could have potentially been game changing.

[Jack]

I didn't realize we could no lynch until shortly after I voted. But I figured they'd just kill DRK and it wouldn't make a difference. And I'm not very patient.

I didn't really pay attention to which ISO's parama had posted, I didn't read them

I had parama as scum, and seven as scum for obvbussing evilsnail. Which parama did as well. Never looked for a particular connection between them.

[Thor665]

Mafia QT:
http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/nHxWs8RKj9dRR

I have no idea why Day 1 made me look strong and worth killing but fearful that a cop would protect me. I felt lost and very newbish for most of this game.

At least Parama read me right at the end of Day 2.

[Netopalis]

Ahem. Exactly what waffling are you referring to? The fact that I had different reads 20 freaking pages before I was finished with reading through the game? The fact that my reads changed as I was actually interacting with people. Egad.

[Dragonfly13]

Endgame Votecount

Netopalis (4) - DeathRowKitty, Thor665, Jack, Parama
Jack (1) - Netopalis

Not Voting (1) - Seven

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"It's either you or him, because you're both against us!"
"Actually, it's either you or HIM...."
"Actually, it's EITHER of YOU, because most of you seem to agree that HE probably isn't 'one of them.' Or should I say... 'one of us?' Hang him up, buddy!"

Netopalis,

Vanilla Townie

, has been lynched.

Parama glanced at Seven. They both nodded.
"Goodbye, Senecans! Nice ta meetcha!"
Thor, Jack, and DRK looked at each other in disbelief as they stared at two mafia revolvers which, lucky for them, seemed to be having a hard time deciding who to kill last.
"You mean... you're not....!!!" they seemed to say to one another.
DRK, seeing that neither gun was currently pointed at him, dashed forward in a vain attempt to disarm one of their soon-to-be killers, but he was not fast enough. Both guns swung and flashed three times.
"Hmm, looks like we've got just enough bullets left for you two," they laughed as DRK's stiff corpse collided with the hard wood floor.
Three more flashes from each of the two murder weapons sent bullets flying into varying parts of Jack's and Thor's bodies.
Seven and Parama looked at each other again. They grinned.
"That's enough pizza for today," one of them said.
"Just put it on our bill," shouted the other as the scared eyes of the poor pizzeria owner became visible above the short kitchen wall.
Evil laughter echoed off the walls as the two made their way out of Seneca. They would soon be ready to slaughter another town, no matter how many nooses stood in their way.

Game over. Mafia Godfather Parama, Mafia Roleblocker Seven, and Mafia Goon evilsnail win.

I'll have some relevant endgame stuff up tonight before I go to bed.

[Parama]

I honestly have no clue why Neto was lynched.
I just hammered him

[Thor665]

Man, I never even got any pizza.

I do disagree with Cuet's assertion that at Mylo we should have no lynched. As Jack posited - that would have simply meant that DRK would have been nightkilled and we would have still been left with the Seven/Parama/Neto/Jack quandary.

I have to say again that it was very cool getting to play with Jack - a royal pain in the arse to read but I really liked watching the way he interpreted stuff - my style will be better for having seen it.

Apologies to Neto - between my fail at reading Seven as town and the anchor you had from your predecessor's play it was difficult for me to pay much attention to you over Seven (and apparently conversely for you over Parama)

Parama (or anyone) - I noted in the scum chat that you declared my policy lynch of Shiverer to be fail cheese wrapped in a fail baguette (your exact words, I am certain) - would you, if town, had advocated a no lynch at that point? I had always read and believed that outside of certain mylo conditions a lynch is always preferable to town over a no lynch. Was my only failing voting for someone I really didn't think was scum?

[Parama]

I just hate lynches with the mentality of simply voting for someone due to the deadline. It leads to a town lynch more often than not.
I mean, you can kinda see a similar mentality with the Neto wagon on Day 4 - though I think you were convinced at that point anyways.

[Thor665]

I pretty much was - I was fairly sure on you as scum, which knocked Jack out, and I thought Seven wasn't scum either. Then Neto is there screaming about you as obvtown and Seven as obvscum and I think I ended up projecting a case onto him (which was easy to do since LS was barely around the whole game).

When DRK dropped for Neto and Jack gave up his Seven suspicions I basically became more sure of my overall reads and figured Neto was as fine a option as any today.

Really, if we'd gone the other way I would have helped lynch you - then Seven would have NKed DRK probably and I would have quite happily helped lynch Neto at that point. So my logic was fairly toxic to the town at that point.

[DeathSauce]

GAH! See my posts in the zombie thread for my reactions.

It was fun being a bodyguard, very hard to decide whether or not to use it. Glad I got IK an extra day, too bad it didn't help in the end.

[crypto]

I should've just faked a guilty. What a horrible game to watch.

[Thor665]

A faked guilty on evil (whom I think was your first vote with real suspicion behind it) would have been fairly nice. You'll just have to remeber to do that in the future

[Idiotking]

ARRGHHH

Will I ever win a game on this site?!

Just

ONE

and I'd be satisfied. ONE. LITTLE. WIN. That's all I ask!

sigh....

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We should have lynched Parama and Seven. They were under the spotlight the entire time and we didn't actually kill them, and other than Neto (whom I had a fairly townie read of) and DRK (who, as I said in the dead people's QT, could have pulled off an amazing elaborate scheme of scummy awesomeness), I would have had it nailed.

That said, I admit, the Shiv lynch was moronic. I'm going to have to stop doing stuff like that. More stuff like D1, less stuff like all the other days, that's how I can improve!



All that said, good job, scum!

[Thor665]

The funny thing, IK? I'd never clicked your Wiki till just now and I thought "wow, he's never won? That's rough, I wonder what his other games look like."

[Netopalis]

For what it's worth, IK, I really was impressed by your earlier play in this game. If you haven't won yet, you will before long.

[DeathRowKitty]

I fail. That is all. You may now continue your post-game discussion.