Mini 941: (Almost) No Rules Mafia (Game Over)

[xvart]

I just want something to happen.

I think everyone has felt the same way about your contributions all game.

xvart.

[Fishythefish]

Espeonage could be scum thinking up a fakeclaim, I suppose.

Re: tnm. "Let's play a Game" actually turns out to be quite protown imo (cryptoclaim idea and details came from there). I don't think there's anything wrong with starting such a thread, although the OP of the thread did give me trying-to-get-towncred vibes. tntnm was a joke sham account - not useful, and slightly antitown, but scummy? I don't really see it.

[UncertainKitten]

As I said, it couldn't be that easy. It was more VI than necessarily scummy, though the town cred thing bothers me.

Interesting theory on Espeonage.

[Zang]

Espeonage could be scum thinking up a fakeclaim, I suppose.

I agree that it's an interesting theory but it could also apply to docpotter and everyone else that hasn't claimed yet.

[animorpherv1]

Espeonage could be scum thinking up a fakeclaim, I suppose.

I agree that it's an interesting theory but it could also apply to docpotter and everyone else that hasn't claimed yet.

This.


@xvart:

That's my normal.

[Espeonage]

BACK. Gimme a sec to do that claim.

Sorry about the wait. I am in the middle of my first assessmewnts for uni and I don't have internet at home.

[Espeonage]

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[Zang]

Ok, you claimed. Now post something relevant.

[Espeonage]

i have a lecture in 7 minutes. I might have a look during the lecture otherwise you will have to wait until after when I have a break.

[Espeonage]

There isn't that much to look at. I don't see TNTNM is all that bad. It isn't that good but there is nothing there so you guys should stop arguing either way. The main focus of town at this stage should be working out what the go is with UK and Banana.

[Zang]

There's lots of stuff to look at:

-xvarts claim
-UK and bannanas tree stumping
-gelids claim
-Potential lurkers

etc.

[Espeonage]

xvart claimed??? ok Gimme a sec and I will actually read istead of skim.

[Zang]

You are the town Obsessive Compulsive Wordsmith. Every night (including Night 0), you must pick a word from the list below. Due to your obsessive compulsive nature about increasing your fellow town member's vocabulary you must get someone to say the selected word the following day or you will kill yourself the following night. If someone other than you uses that word the following day, the next night you must link me to the post that uses the word in your PM. If you fail to pick a word during each night phase you will automatically kill yourself the following night.

You may use the word yourself, but it does not count if they quote you or intended to quote you.

The words you may select are: mondegreen, aubade, pecuniary, distrait, eschew, ignoramus, approbation, vitiate, tarradiddle, coquetry, cupidity, billet-doux, vivify, inexorable, hynagogic, duplicity, gastronome, egregious, fractious, fructuous, Arcanum, supplicate, quixotic.

Town: You win when all mafia, sks and any other malicious third parties are eliminated.

Confirm in Thread

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13693

You can now see what I mean about the word list. I wasn't really confident in my skills to get someone to say "tarradiddle" or "billet-doux" so I went with "duplicity" day one. I did consider "ignoramus"...

xvart.

[Espeonage]

I saw it. Ok makes alot of sense and I believe it. Not really a role that could be scum. Duplicity if noone has said it already.

They should treestump.

gelids claim means not much atm seeing as it is a sham and therefore has an unknown identity

it is too early to pick out definate lurkers. it is a tell based on not only posting frequency but also content.

[DedicatedScribe]

OK! I'm gonna have analysis and vote by the time i leave the internetz today!

Sorry about the inactivity in this thread. I'll bet that once I take a good look at the thread, I'll be more interested and stay active in it.

[Zang]

Claim?

[UncertainKitten]

Meh, I think we basically have a majority for this.

TREESTUMP POWERS ACTIVATE!

[zoraster]

Before:

Day 1 Vote Count

Hoopla ( 0 )
totallynotmafia ( 0 )
UncertainKitten ( 4 ) Hoopla totallynotmafia Espeonage animorpherv1
xvart ( 0 )
animorpherv1 ( 1 ) UncertainKitten
Zang ( 1 ) CooLDoG
Espeonage ( 1 ) xvart
DedicatedScribe ( 0 )
DocPotter ( 1 ) CallMeLiam
CallMeLiam ( 2 ) DocPotter FishytheFish
FishytheFish ( 0 )
CooLDoG ( 0 )
Bananas ( 0 )
totallynottotallynotmafia ( 1 ) Zang
Not Voting ( 1 ) DedicatedScribe
Total Votes ( 12 )

With 12 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch
Deadline: Tuesday, March 30th at 16:00 EDT

After:

Day 1 Vote Count

Hoopla ( 0 )
totallynotmafia ( 0 )
UncertainKitten ( 0 )
xvart ( 0 )
animorpherv1 ( 1 ) UncertainKitten
Zang ( 1 ) CooLDoG
Espeonage ( 1 ) xvart
DedicatedScribe ( 0 )
DocPotter ( 1 ) CallMeLiam
CallMeLiam ( 2 ) DocPotter FishytheFish
FishytheFish ( 0 )
CooLDoG ( 0 )
totallynottotallynotmafia ( 1 ) Zang
Not Voting ( 5 ) DedicatedScribe Hoopla totallynotmafia Espeonage animorpherv1
Total Votes ( 12 )

With 11 Voting, it takes 6 to lynch
Deadline: Tuesday, March 30th at 16:00 EDT

UncertainKitten has been treestumped.

She may post in the game thread as well as make sham accounts, but she may not vote or use any powers.

[UncertainKitten]

please don't make any wood jokes .

[Hoopla]

I'm confused. If Bananas treestumps, do we find out both alignments of each? Or is it only if they both die?

[Fishythefish]

I think it's absolutely horrible the way that no player who wants Bananas stumped has addressed any of the questions asked about why. There are good reasons to think Bananas is probably town. If he is probably town, there are good reasons to let him live tonight, and stump him in the morning. Ignoring this and just saying "stump em both!" with no justification is unreasonable.

@DedicatedScribe: whatever else you do, please, please cryptoclaim. It takes 2 minutes and is very protown.

@Hoopla: going by the role PM of UK, we find out neither alignment if they stump.

[Hoopla]

I say, lets take a gamble right now that Bananas is town and UK is scum, and let Bananas live for the whole game. This way, if we're right and make this pact, it forces scum to deal with Bananas at night or take the risk of leaving them alive.

Really, Bananas actions make a lot more sense as town, when he could have stayed quiet, and offed UK as the scum-JOAT at night.

Fishy, what do you think?

[Fishythefish]

Note that Bananas's powers are now claimed:
Rolecop, which may or may not reveal alignment (I want an answer to this from Bananas AFTER all cryptoclaims are out)
Jailkeep
I think we should let him use rolecop tonight. Tomorrow, I'm conflicted between letting him live and treestumping. If he is scum, he'll still be a powerful force (he has tracker, rolecop, roleblock, ninja), whereas if he's town he's all but expended (jailkeep is so meh). If he's rolecopped a town player, the scum might well have to deal with him at night before he outs said player anyway. On balance, the risk of scumBananas living for a long time isn't worth the reward of townBananas living, and I think I'd rather he was treestumped.

[Annachie]

Mod, is there a penalty for not answering a prod?

[totallynotmafia]

Annachie you're gonna be in soooo much trouble, unless you're a sham account you shouldn't be posting in this thread.

Uhh guys TNTNM is me and it was just a joke, I thought that was pretty obvious...obviously not. Why would you guys jump on the vote without even checking with me first?

There are numerous reasons why tntnm is scummy-

1. It could have been somebodies attempt to frame you using a sham.
2. The account was used with no purpose, this can be confused with trying to confuse the town
3. The account was used as a joke so that you can later claim that it was a joke to take pressure off of you.

And also-

why did you create an account with only a slightly different name and avatar and then say that it was you? You are only allowed one sham, why waste it for a joke by exposing it?

I will unvote you when you answer the above questions.

That was the whole point of the joke, that TNTNM was so obviously me but trying to pretend like it wasn't, I was just bored and having a bit of fun with the rules. The rules state everyone is allowed two sham accounts btw, though I must admit I didn't realise the 5 posts per day was for both shams, so my bad on that one.

Sorry, I missed this. It gives us two free lynches in the sense that we get two more lynches than if we don't lynch them. If we win the game barring UK/Bananas (say night kills stop for a few nights), we lynch them both and win. We really can just totally ignore them until the end (in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if treestumped players didn't even count towards winning conditions - if we eliminate all the antitown players except treestumps, there's literally no way to lose the game). Except in that they aren't revealed, and they can post (which we can just ignore), it's like they are dead in every way.

Yeah, the information would be nice. But is it worth two lynches (and therefore two nightkill phases) to know for sure that UK is scum? I really, really think not. Suppose we are now in standard 9-3. Then with two nightkills and two lynches, we are in 6-2 with some info. With no nightkills and two treestumps, we are in 8-2 with no info. I really don't think the information we would gain is worth two townies. Similar things apply in multiscum - it's never worth two lynches to find out one scum alignment and one town alignment.

Ah, I think I understand you now, I was under the impression that even if they are stumped they will still affect lylo and so we would have to lynch them anyway...but I wonder how that works with the scum person....will they still be able to submit nightkills?

I think I see where you're coming from but from my position there is pages of possible information in this thread that is useless without knowing which of the two is scum. I'm thinking it wouldn't hurt to go at least one day without lynching them but I'd feel a lot more comfortable knowing their allignments for sure sometime down the track.

And as for Bananas stumping if the rolecop doesn't detect allignment then I'm not as happy to allow Bananas to go un-stumped, just detecting the role of a person doesn't seem that advantageous for town to me, unless someone can convince me otherwise. If it does detect allignment then I'd be happy to allow him to go unstumped every day that he comes up with a result on scum.

@UK and Bananas, could you please both ask the mod if the rolecop detects allignment?

And I think it's time we finally put some pressure on the lurkers:

Vote: DocPotter