Mafia 112: Ridiculous Drama! (Game Over, town win!)

[Shrinehme]

Confirm!

[Shrinehme]

Julano

, who do you think would be the most dangerous player as scum here?

Um why did you ask him a question and not me? *offended*

[Shrinehme]

@ Shadow / Chrono

: Why use dice roll? Afraid someone's going to criticize your vote if you don't?

[Shrinehme]

random dice is random. Or broken

It's also safe and unhelpful.

I thought we agreed on mass lynching him due to his unpleasant and anti-feminist behaviour already.

When did this happen?

Also, the random number generator chose him twice (1/400 chance) which is a good enough reason for me to get rid of him immediately.

No it doesn't make him more likely to be scum.

Vote: Blue

@Shattered: Why the unvote?

I had a feeling we were about to leave the Random Stage.

Then why haven't you placed a non-random vote?

[Shrinehme]

Well of course the consequences of lynching him isn't "x loses".

That's a sneaky way to neglect the fact that it will inevitably give the Town or Scum an unfair [debatable?] advantage.

Pushing a wagon for someone whom hasn't done anything particularly scummy is a good vote to me.

[Shrinehme]

Ah, but if I were mafia I wouldn't be half so obvious. Because then I'd anticipate receiving votes from tunnel-vision players like yourself.

WIFOM defense? Check.
False tunnel-vision accusation (on page three for that matter)? Check.
Scum found on page three? Priceless.

unvote;
vote Blue

You stole what I was going to post, Konawa!

I like you.


Dear Town,
Blue needs more votes!
Love, Nehme

[Shrinehme]

Pushing a wagon for someone whom hasn't done anything particularly scummy is a good vote

reason

, in my opinion.

Uh... what? Is this a typo?

Yes it is. Sorry! I italicized the correction.

Okay,

unvote, vote: Sir Cyanide

for trying to start a bandwagon after there's already one on him. It looks as if he's really nervous and trying to get people to stop voting for him quickly.

Nice try. Trying to sneak in a "reason" [it's poor; a town-aligned person wants to knock votes off himself as much as scum-aligned do], so that you can safely jump on the bandwagon, so that you will seem to actually have been genuinely scumhunting among the sea of those who are voting him for personal/mislynch motive and not scumhunting.

[Shrinehme]

SIR CYANIDE is anti-town.

oh.

how?

[Shrinehme]

Oh, I missed stuff directed at me. Lesse here.

random dice is random. Or broken

It's also safe and unhelpful.

I thought we agreed on mass lynching him due to his unpleasant and anti-feminist behaviour already.

When did this happen?

Also, the random number generator chose him twice (1/400 chance) which is a good enough reason for me to get rid of him immediately.

No it doesn't make him more likely to be scum.

Vote: Blue

ITT Shrinehme doesn't understand RVS logic. That's nothing worthy of a vote, to tell you the truth. Trying to call his RVS logic scummy logic and then vote him for it is scummy logic itself.

FoS: Shrinehme

Confirm for me, please, that you earnestly believe that the following is not pushing for Cyanide's lynch and that this is merely an RVS vote:

Vote: Sir Cyanide

I thought we agreed on mass lynching him due to his unpleasant and anti-feminist behaviour already.

I mean, I'm all for disagreements, but I really don't see how this

isn't

targeting him and then posting information that has the purpose of swaying others to join the wagon ["pushing the wagon"...].

What about that is what you consider "RVS logic"? And even if it were "RVS logic", why should we just let it slide and not hold him accountable for what he does just because it's "RVS logic"?

@Shattered: Why the unvote?

I had a feeling we were about to leave the Random Stage.

Then why haven't you placed a non-random vote?

Rushing, anyone?
I mean, seriously, the game just started. There's no need to force players to vote yet. We're not in RVS but that doesn't mean that everyone needs to be voting.

"Rushing" is weird word choice, though I guess you're right, I was rushing him. Sounds negative though, like you think it's scummy. I want[ed] him to place a vote. I have to get reads on him somehow, and I'm not getting very much from: "Oh, RVS is over! Unvote!"

I mean, if he thinks the RVS is over, then that means he should have a non-random position on

someone

or

something

. I'd have liked to see his thoughts, rather than seeing him declare the RVS over and then back away, waiting for other players to start non-RVS discussion and accusations for him.

Wouldn't

you

have liked to see a vote from him?

Well of course the consequences of lynching him isn't "x loses".

That's a sneaky way to neglect the fact that it will inevitably give the Town or Scum an unfair [debatable?] advantage.

Pushing a wagon for someone whom hasn't done anything particularly scummy is a good vote to me.

He's not pushing for the wagon, he RVS'ed onto it. Failing to realize this means the most likely:
a) You didn't read the thread
b) You want to get the wagon off of your scumbuddy and onto a townie
And I think you've read the thread, so b) is the option I'm picking.

He

was

pushing the wagon. His vote was not random, even if there was slight lightheartedness attached to it.

You're accusing me of being his "scumbuddy" when you don't even believe he's scum. Why?

Or...

do you

think Cyanide is scum?

[Shrinehme]

I leave for a day and I miss so much.

This game is living up to its name.

[Shrinehme]

Ah, but if I were mafia I wouldn't be half so obvious. Because then I'd anticipate receiving votes from tunnel-vision players like yourself.

WIFOM defense? Check.
False tunnel-vision accusation (on page three for that matter)? Check.
Scum found on page three? Priceless.

unvote;
vote Blue

This was a joke and not a good reason to vote me. In fact, I'm getting increasingly suspicious about all the votes suddenly appearing on myself.

You were

joking

about extreme WIFOM and accusing me of tunnel-vision, but you're

suspicious

of people who jumped on you you because of your "joke"?

Did I miss something here?

[Shrinehme]

@SpyreX

, would you mind re-explaining to me why your vote is on me and why it's better than a Blue/Parama/Cyanide vote?

@Blue

, please respond to post 254.

[Shrinehme]

As much as I know you can't stand me interrogating your scumbuddy, I musty ask you to refrain from answering for him!

Anyways I was a death miller that game. I'm never scum. Silly.


In all seriousness, what took you so long to jump on the Blue wagon? Before you were all:

Panarama+Chronopie.

Let's not get sidetracked by Blue people...

[Shrinehme]

That makes sense.

Although to be honest I've only read bits of the Parama argument. Would you mind compiling your case against him into one organized post?

[Shrinehme]

If he's town, lynch Shrinehme. I've been suspicious of Shrinehme for a while, and he was aggressively pushing for the lynch earlier.

"You were joking about extreme WIFOM and accusing me of tunnel-vision, but you're suspicious of people who jumped on you you because of your "joke"?

Did I miss something here?"

If he's scum, I'm not sure who to lynch.

Setting up lynches? For what purpose?

Why does my pushing the wagon indicate anything about my alignment?

Why are you so prepared with "If he's Town" scenarios if you think he's Scum?

[Shrinehme]

Anyway, Blue gave up. Jacob Savage, DTM, and a few others have called Blue town.

When did blue give up?

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 27#2190327

DTM's 313 has inspired me to go ISORead Chronopie

[Shrinehme]

Hi.

I couldn't be here yesterday because I was doing Passover things.

I'll try to post something more relevant tonight. I'll probably have time.

[Shrinehme]

I'll have limited access until Friday.

[Shrinehme]

This is the post I wanted to get up around two days ago but was interrupted and just saved it in my notes.

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Chrono isn't a bad route. The fact its Shrine pushing it makes me a little worried, but.

I am tempted to jump to Blue just to get this party moving again. I'm not sold on scum, but I hate the early claim and the vanilla bit.

I've pushed a Chrono vote? What?

If you're not sold on him, then who ARE you sold on? Me? Why aren't you pushing my wagon?

Also you ignored my question from a while ago. Please answer it according to your thought process at that point in the game.

[Shrinehme]

Hi I'm here. Haven't finished reading yet, BUT it doesn't seem that the following question has been answered by a single person who voted me.

Why is there a Shrine wagon?

[Shrinehme]

Actually I want the above question answered by NacyCherub before anyone else.

[Shrinehme]

I'm pretty sure it was fairly obvious that I was against policy lynch, criticizing proponents of the wagon.

Please elaborate on what you mean by "dancing around the lynch" and how that equals scum to you.

[Shrinehme]

Also elaborate on why you put almost no effort into pushing my lynch [even though you seem fairly certain I'm scum] until you had others backing even.

And even when you had been backed, why did you never posted your reasons/case against me, to try to sway others into joining the wagon?

[Shrinehme]

A policy lynch like that is a great spot to wring your hands and watch a mislynch go down.

So I guess my push for Blue's lynch [mind, I was the first to point Blue out and push for his lynch [iirc]] equals "watching a mislynch go down"?

[Shrinehme]

FATE SCUM LIST:
DTMASTER

I CHANGE MY SCUM LIST

PAN = CHRONO > MEH >BLUE

UNVOTE

VOTE CHRONO

- SCUM.

O HEY DTMASTER!

NORMALLY I'D SAY 3 IS A SOLID NUMBER FOR AN ALLIANCE, BUT IF YOU VOTE SHRINE I'LL CONSIDER IT.

UNVOTE

VOTE: SHRINE

Help me understand what's going on here.

[Shrinehme]

You saying I haven't put effort on the relative scale of effort this game has been getting in wanting you lynched over other candidates?

Until these last few pages, very little. You stuck your vote on vote as soon as you walked in and then basically left me alone, and addressed other wagons and such. No questioning or anything. You mentioned me here-and-there, but you definitely weren't trying very hard to see me lynched, no.

Compared to others? Well, I guess you have a point there. You really haven't attacked anyone this game other than me.

You saying your initial vote on Blue wasn't because of his wanting to go for the policy lynch? (or, to be fair I guess, because of *random number generator*)

That was my initial vote, yes. His response to my initial vote is what prompted it to stay there.

You saying that any of this is "effort"?

"VOTE SHRINE VOTE SHRINE VOTE SHRINE", as scary as it looks, isn't really trying very hard to get others to lynch me, unless your method is all about pressuring and hoping people follow blindly.

"hey guys, Shrine is definitely scum for reason x, y, z." would be putting effort in to get others to see why I am scum and push a lynch. You haven't done that. None of the people on my wagon have done it.

[Shrinehme]

I also, 100% no foolin promise this isn't sarcastic pinky swear, have totally been yelling at them to vote you versus, well, killing any of a giant list of people.

You never told them why they should vote me versus other people.

I mean, okay, you called me a "cheerleader" and a "Cyanide wagon tsk-tsker", like, twice or something.

You never went beyond that, though. To explain why this behavior is scummy, etc. etc.

To clarify,

your

reasons are only based off my actions at the beginning?

[Shrinehme]

I did miss that post. My bad.

[Shrinehme]

So the whole turnaround from Blue when he was L-1 was what then?

[Shrinehme]

@Shrine:
I wonder if the reason no one questioned you while your lynch started becoming plausible is... oh yeah, you WEREN'T HERE.

I gave V/LA pre-wagon.

I guess there are issues with asking questions that I can get to when I return? What kind of excuse is that?

Also, Shrine, you have yet to offer a viable alternative. Thanks for playing all-defense.

Questioning SpyreX isn't "all defense".

Not offering alternatives doesn't = "all defense", for that matter.

Vote: Chrono

Also, where is the post where Blue allegedly claimed?

@SpyreX:

[Shrine] only mentions Chronopie here (and asks one question towards Chrono early in the game), but Spyre says he's pushing for Chrono here. Which seems kind of odd.

Response wanted.

[Shrinehme]

@DTM:
Why would I call you out for doing something pro-town? Shrine needed more votes and you helped out, thanks.

No bussing accusation? Why?

[Shrinehme]

I will switch to Blue when deadline approaches if Chrono wagon doesn't catch.

[Shrinehme]

Ok.

Vote: Blue

[Shrinehme]

A Shrine lynch is not a helpful lynch.

As much as everyone loves to go "WELL IF HE'S SCUM THEN BLAH BLAH BLAH IS ALMOST COMPLETELY TRUE."

[Shrinehme]

Well that's obnoxious.

@Mod

: You may remove one of the double posts if you want.

[Shrinehme]

A Shrine lynch is not a helpful lynch.

As much as everyone loves to go "WELL IF HE'S SCUM THEN BLAH BLAH BLAH IS ALMOST COMPLETELY TRUE."

How is a blue lynch helpfull?

The helpfulness depends on his flip.

If you're asking me to re-iterate the case on him then you're a little late.

[Shrinehme]

Right, now he is gone, can we work on the principle that he is Vanilla Townie, and use that?

um.

Well, no.

[Shrinehme]

On I am asking you to work on my assumption, that he is VT and what that tells us

OH. Misunderstood. My bad.

ok.

I would like to abstain from answering this at this time though.

So if he flips scum then...

To be honest I've spent most of this late Day effort defending myself and focusing on people attacking me and/or major suspects Blue & Chrono.

I probably can't even name the entire player cast. I'd have to reread.

Plus it's not good to announce "OK GUYS I'M GOING AFTER X TOMORROW" just before a night phase where Scum could manipulate that to their advantage.

[Shrinehme]

I was under the impression that JacobSavage was Day Rolecop because of his interaction with the Blue wagon Day 1.

Interested in hearing claim.

BLUE V. PARAMAZ

I didn't suspect Parama in the slightest. Caught my attention, but I thought his interactions with you/my wagon were

weird

at best.

Depending on JacobSavage's claim I'd go with either ChronoPie or Konawa direction today.

[Shrinehme]

I was under the impression that JacobSavage was Day Rolecop because of his interaction with the Blue wagon Day 1.

I'm confused. Explain?

JacobSavage Day 1, abridged version: "Don't you lynch Blue he's town..." "I'm TELLING you he's a Vanilla Townie..." "Now that we lynched him can we all agree he's a Vanilla Townie?" etc etc.

Maybe my guess is off because Detectives [or "Rolecops", if you prefer] and Day-Detectives are much more common roles where I play elsewhere than they seem to be here. It just rings bells.

Mind, they're also much more common scum roles than they are town roles.

But we'll see what he has to say.

-

I'd be down with MehPlusRawr also.

[Shrinehme]

@Unsight

: Would lynch/Would not lynch MehPlusRawr/ChronoPie?

[Shrinehme]

In addition to above Q's:

Right so I am the Town Psycologist.

I thought this role commonly converts the Serial Killer into Town?

How did you know [or: why did you insist] that Blue was specifically a Vanilla Townie yesterday?

[Shrinehme]

Using Konawa's kills for Town is good strategy to me.

I'm really not feeling scum vibes from Unsight, though.

I'd like to go with MehPlusRawr or Chrono. I don't explicitly care which is lynched first/lynched day 3/shot overnight/whatever.

[Shrinehme]

Definitely don't hold him until endgame, but getting one or more of his kills onto a scummy player rather than obvtown/other will give us a nice edge and save us a lynch.

[Shrinehme]

Vote: MehPlusRawr

[Shrinehme]

Konowa: investigation immune/kill immune/both/neither?

Out of curiosity, what do you have to gain from asking this?

[Shrinehme]

I would not be against lynching Konawa today.

[Shrinehme]

Oh I almost forgot!

@Pom: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 91#2220191

[Shrinehme]

Though, I would at least like to hear whom he targeted before we send him off to the noose... I have a feeling Bus Driver may have interfered with it somehow; I just don't see what purpose Konawa would have for willingly hitting DTM knowing the Town would have been pissed off the next day [especially if he'd flipped Town].

[Shrinehme]

I was going to post here to volunteer to hammer.

What a turn of events!

[Shrinehme]

Also, Luke, to clarify: Your predecesor Konawa admitted to being a Serial Killer.

They're not just /pretending/ to know it...