Mafia 110: Mafia in Hell, Michigan (Tied.)

[pman5595]

I believe I asked you why I was scummy, I don't remember for sure.

But my comment on your vote is that you should join the lowell wagon.

[RayFrostWikiManager]

Why do you think Lowell is scummy?

Upon iso-ing Crypto, Lowell gains scumpoints, and Ythan & WRP_Beater gain townpoints. Cyanide iso gives Nobody Special (owait, he died...), Unsight, & semi-Ythan townpoints.

Actually, I'll think about voting Lowell. Hmmm. I want to hear more from Konowa, though.

[jbernier93]

- In the same post he throws a vote onto Rikenslope for unexplained reasons.

Is that a scumtell? If so, how?

*headdesk*

unvote, vote:RayFrostWikiManager

explain your vote plz.

My ISO #61, earlier mentions of him, and the fact that instead of defending himself he acts like something that clearly is a scumtell isn't. Hence the *headdesk*.

jbernier, what makes you think that's a scumtell? What do you even think IS a scumtell?

A scumtell is anything that someone concerned with the good of the town wouldn't/shouldn't do.
voting without providing reasons is scummy because town wants to explain their reasons.
[quote
at the irony of voting me with unexplained reasons for voting with unexplained reasons[/quote]
Actually, I had already explained them in my previous posts, and my ISO 61 was so close to that post that I assumed it would still be fresh in everyone's memory. That is certainly not voting someone without reasoning.

@farside - I think jbernier has yet to learn what is scummy and what isn't yet, and that may have something to do with her totally missing how terrible crypto and Cyanide acted. It takes a while to figure out sometimes for newbies.

I HAVE BEEN PLAYING SINCE 2006 AND I AM A MALE. I AM NOT A NEWB.
Not all players find the same things scummy nor do they agree upon the extent to which certain actions are scummy. This has always been the case.

[Kison]

I don't think this vote is necessarily scummy, just stupid. I actually somewhat appreciate Kison's vote because it's motivating me, though it'd obviously be better for his vote to be on scum.

I'm actually voting for molestargazer right now. If you ask me nicely enough I'll move it back, though.

[Ythan]

Jb, not being new seems to invalidate the free pass she gave you.

[Riddick]

i'm v/la for the weekend, as i'm heading to a 21st.

haven't read the last couple of pages, might have time before i go tomorrow.

[Ythan]

Quick vote Lowell before you go!

[Unsight]

Quick vote Lowell before you go!

You did this to horror and NS. It's like you don't just push wagons but you practically strap a jet pack onto them. For some reason I can't read half your posts in this game without feeling like you're in a hurry. Why is that?

[Ythan]

I don't know why you can't.

[Netopalis]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 8

DedicatedScribe

- 1 - MoleStargazer - (L-7)

JBernier93

- 2 - Konowa, Farside22 - (L-6)

Lowell

- 2 - pman5595, Ythan - (L-6)

MoleStargazer

- 1 - Kison - (L-7)

pman5595

- 1 - RayFrostWikiManager - (L-7)

RayFrostWikiManager

- 1 - JBernier93 - (L-7)

Rikenslope

- 1 - Lowell - (L-7)

Dragonfly13

- 2 - Riddick, Unsight - (L-6)

Ythan

- 1 - Rikenslope - (L-7)

Players not voting: DedicatedScribe, Dragonfly13

[DedicatedScribe]

Here I am, about to do my thing.

[DedicatedScribe]

I don't know why you can't.

Before I re-read, I just want to note that I loled at this.

[Ythan]

In return for the laugh please give us something good.

[Netopalis]

Rikenslope is being prodded.

[DedicatedScribe]

OMFG. All my pbpa got deleted...

[DedicatedScribe]

Sigh...I'll start over. Try going faster. Making it thinner.

[Ythan]

You should do it in notepad. Save early and often. Also this better not be used as an excuse for any inadequacies.

[DedicatedScribe]

Stfu Ythan. I was halfway done when it messed up.

Lol, I guess. But jbearner also defended Lowell. Why not mention this?

Maybe I hoped you'd flounder instead of addressing the point like this?

Why did you want me to flounder?

1620, You find scummy VTs a safe lynch. Yes or no?

1625, what makes you find them good?

1649, why wouldn't he (try to get an obv noob into endgame)?

1652, dodge.

1654, no you weren't.

1658, made me mad. Bonus Q: what % is DS?

1663, Is second quote a bad point? Why is it there?

1670, sounds like a re-horrordude

***

Here, comment on this.

[Ythan]

1620, You find scummy VTs a safe lynch. Yes or no?

Loaded question. We don't know that scummy VTs are scummy VTs.

1625, what makes you find them good?

Unsight's points (thanks for making me look up when "them" means) were actually well-reasoned compared to other points raised before that time against Lowell.

1649, why wouldn't he (try to get an obv noob into endgame)?

"obv noob" was not a part of what I was talking about.

1652, dodge.

Not a dodge, I wanted to know if he thought I was scummy.

1654, no you weren't.

Your confirmation bias is highly suspect in the light of all the real cases floating around.

1658, made me mad. Bonus Q: what % is DS?

Did it make you mad for a reason or did you just want to include that? More than 50%.

1663, Is second quote a bad point? Why is it there?

It was answering a question. Context is tech. If you actually meant something here please explain.

1670, sounds like a re-horrordude

Explain the things you say if you're trying to build a case.

[DedicatedScribe]

DedicatedScribe

- What changed your view about this:

Horrordude seems townie to me because he is a noob, and noobs tend to be more emotional. His second post thus makes me come to the aforementioned conclusion.

Curiousity makes me ask this. Musher was the only person early on to do a PbPa. Why did you attack him instead of asking others their views?
DS: fos on horror is comical comment considering crypto's flip. I'm not sure why he says it's an attempt to set up a mislynch.
Dedicated vote on beater and reasoning is terrible. It's basically he is picking X player over Y player and not going further beyond that.

unvote; vote WRP_Beater

I don't know why I'd rather vote Beater. Mainly because I feel the attack on him is more easy to understand, and the one on Richard could be sensationalized. I don't have enough time to look on that, so I'll go with the simpler choice.

What has changed your view on beater?

really?

I am NOT going to be like NS and vote horror just because I'm exasperated.

vote NS

No not really

Dude is an opportunistic idiot attempting to ride someone else's flimsy coattails and wagon me. Seriously he even admitted to lurking. Can we just lynch this awful guy already.

DS is not an idiot but simply does not understand that asking the same person the same question over and over again is going to reach a point where that person doesn't give a fuck what you think anymore.

I will not ask the same question over and over again, if you'd pay attention, unless you have yet to answer it.

Want me to repeat the ones you havent answered yet?

Getting bored with this. If you want, say no to the above, and I'll see how long it takes to get an answer from someone else.

Oh, and

vote horror

Werent you supposed to be doing something?

My biggest issue with DS is that he hasn't done anything but follow others idea's and vote as they vote. He hasn't made a point that someone else didn't point out and his flip on horror is completely hypocritical. He doesn't look beyond what everyone else pointed out as scum or made views beyond the narrow scope.

YES! An attack!

1. Musher attack was random attack.

2. As a joke. Suggestion for thought. etc.

3. Wrong, I said attack on Richard seemed sensationalized.
I changed my mind because WRP made too many noob mistakes.

4. Agreed. I changed my mind. Not the only one.

5. Conclusion, first part: True. 2nd part: (p1)Disagree. (p2) True. 3rd Part: I'll work on that.

***

Basically, yea. I dun it. I'm not scum though.

This defense is terrible, but what can I say? I started playing this way, and it seemed to work well. I survived 3 days with minimal suspicion. I'm working on it, though. I really am, and have been.

I've been trying to make my play style fit my activity level. Analyzing attacks to attempt to prevent mislynches, and help lynches seemed like a good idea. I've always wanted to attack, myself, but I've terrible fears of being wrong.

I've been experimenting a while. I hope to get better without going inactive, making another alt, and trying again. It was vERY hard signing up for this mafia after getting subbed out for inactivity in 3 others.

I knew my horrordude vote would get some opinions, and my vote for NS on D2 was incredibly stupid, and even more hypocritical than my one on D1. I would say I was planning on unvoting, but could not due to a fast lynch, but I can't found that.

This was a really informative review of my playstyle.

[Ythan]

Can mith see IPs?

[DedicatedScribe]

You didn't answer the question though...

1. is not a loaded question. What makes it loaded?

2. Mmmm.

3. Did I put the wrong #? It's about your disagreement about crypto's defense for WRP_Beater between farside.

4. What about what he said beforehand?

5. What makes it suspect? I haven't even made a case, yet. I haven't even posted my opinions on other cases.

6. Obv made me mad for a reason. Thx for response, though.

7. I'm confused about that now. What were you responding to?

8. It's hard, but I'll do it (make a case, i mean).

[DedicatedScribe]

Can mith see IPs?

Making new accounts is not illegal, my friend.

[Kison]

Can mith see IPs?

As a site admin, yes. Why's it matter?

@DS, I know the pain of losing part of analysis, I must've lost chunks of mine several times over the 15 hour span of writing it up. At the very least go through my post a few pages back. I have an entire section just for you.

[Ythan]

1 It is a loaded question because you're portraying my earlier statement as a recommendation to lynch scummy town. This is obviously a misbegotten question.

3 I was asking for clarification. I said so. In my next post.

4 SPECIFICS. I'm not going to keep guessing at what you're asking me on every line.

5 Why is confirmation bias suspect when you're ignoring other cases and haven't made one and it's day 3?

6 And thanks for not a response.

7 The preceding. Question.

8 You obviously know where you're going to take it, shouldn't take you too long.