Mini 922 - Mafia in Mo Town [Game Over]

[AlmasterGM]

The only obvious scum here is you. Care to outline the blockbuster case against Zach and I?

As evidence of Masory, I can offer you several quotes where Kyle and I blatantly refused to go after eachother. Not the fact that we say there is ZERO chance of each other being scum. This is a pretty bold declaration to make.

[Chance of Kyle being scum with Monkey]

0%. I am completely unconvinced of this Kyle wagon right now. I have already explained why I think lynching him because he's "hard to read" is a bad play. Given the fact that there are plenty of other people acting extremely scummy (Monkey and Sak), I see no reason why Kyle cannot wait. Monkey isn't even trying to explain himself in response to anything I say, he's just letting it get buried in all the lotsofposting and hoping the wagon on Kyle will take over.

No, I'm not concerned because I don't think Kyle is scum

So, assuming the person who was wagoned was scum, you don't think that maayyybe kyle could have been bussing by voting him with no reason of his own?

No. And even if this were the case, it does nothing to address the fact that your attack is incredibly weak compared to the rest of the thread. It seems to me like, in your probably-rushed-re-read, you just picked somebody that you wanted to paint as scummy, picked one thing they said, and went gogogoo.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with kyle's hammer.

kyle, want to join me on the Almaster wagon?

Nope

[Nikanor]

The only obvious scum here is you.

Oh ho ho, someone is going to feel silly when I turn out to be town!

Care to outline the blockbuster case against Zach and I?

I was kidding. Although I was pretty upset when I got home to see that my main suspect (you) had claimed Mason.
I actually have reason to believe that KittyMo would include Masons in this setup.
Those reasons being that she likes Masons.
She likes them a lot.

[Nikanor]

Continue on with the Mass Claim! AGM, care to make a suggestion?

[AlmasterGM]

I agree with Zach that Bob should go before Hito.

[almightybob]

Fair enough, I'm a plain old Vanilla Townie.

Hito?

[Zachrulez]

The only obvious scum here is you.

Oh ho ho, someone is going to feel silly when I turn out to be town!

Care to outline the blockbuster case against Zach and I?

I was kidding.

Although I was pretty upset when I got home to see that my main suspect (you) had claimed Mason.

I actually have reason to believe that KittyMo would include Masons in this setup.
Those reasons being that she likes Masons.
She likes them a lot.

Srsly. Die scum die.

[Nikanor]

I was thinking about this game all day at work (yes, I work day shifts now). I was going to iso AGM when I got home for his nolynch vote post yesterday, where he jumps on the 'Nik is scum' bandwagon without giving any other reasons or prior indications of suspicion.

[almightybob]

(yes, I work day shifts now)

How considerate of your boss to change your shifts to match your inactivity excuses in Mafia.

[Nikanor]

How considerate of your boss to change your shifts to match your

inactivity excuses in Mafia.

need to pay rent and buy food.

Fixed.

[xRECKONERx]

I'm totally buying the Mason claim. Though unless hito claims some power role, that would mean masons + tracker vs scum, and I can't help but think scum must have a power role. Though, that's outguessing the mod, and I don't wanna get into that.

I'm putting myself out on a limb here and saying I'll trust the masons though.

[almightybob]

I've thought AGM has seemed pretty pro-Town throughout, so yeah I don't have any reason to doubt the mason claim right now.
And yeah, Town is looking pretty underpowered so far. Is it outguessing the mod to speculate on the setup in a closed game? I don't think that really falls under it.

[Nikanor]

And yeah, Town is looking pretty underpowered so far.

Please stop coaching hito.
hito, claim.

[hitogoroshi]

I'm just a vanilla. This town is looking a touch underpowered, I agree. Maybe (hopefully is perhaps more appropriate here) there are no scum PR's?

I've had a town read all game on AGM so this mason claim is easy enough to swallow. While having one scumbag not in the masonry (unless there are only two this game? I think I could almost buy that with this underpowered town) makes it a potential gambit when you're not outing your whole team, I just don't see AGM being scum.

Let's take Zach off the list here, then. I still think Bob is a townie, so that leaves Lowell, Nik, and Reck. Lowell is still my top pick for scum, and with Nik's recent actions where he posted a lot without saying anything and 'joking' about lynching the masons that could easily have been testing the water for their lynch, I can swallow Nik-scum easier than before. As for Reck, you're right that I haven't ever really given suspicions of you - you're more of a null read to me, but Process of Elimination is throwing you into the limelight because there are multiple people I'm pretty sure are town.

I'd like a Lowell lynch and I'd go along with a Nikanor lynch. If neither of those pan out I'd be up for a Reck lynch.

[Zachrulez]

I'm not really seeing Lowell scum. The best point against him is far from iron clad. (Tail end of both wagons.)

I see Nikanor, Almightybob, and one of Hito/Reckoner, and among those two, I would probably lean toward Hito being more likely scum.

[Zachrulez]

The only obvious scum here is you.

Oh ho ho, someone is going to feel silly when I turn out to be town!

Care to outline the blockbuster case against Zach and I?

I was kidding.

Although I was pretty upset when I got home to see that my main suspect (you) had claimed Mason.

I actually have reason to believe that KittyMo would include Masons in this setup.
Those reasons being that she likes Masons.
She likes them a lot.

Srsly. Die scum die.

To expand on this post that I pointed out earlier, if I was scum planning a mislynch on someone, and my top mislynch candidate ended up claiming mason, I think I'd be pretty upset too.

Nikanor is definitely scum here people.

[Nikanor]

I'm not really seeing Lowell scum. The best point against him is far from iron clad. (Tail end of both wagons.)

How is that in any way worse than a meta lurking argument?

[Nikanor]

To expand on this post that I pointed out earlier, if I was scum planning a mislynch on someone, and my top mislynch candidate ended up claiming mason, I think I'd be pretty upset too.

If I had claimed Mason, Zach, would you be upset?

[Nikanor]

Plus, scum trying to drive a mislynch on AGM would be insane. The only person who has thought of him as anything other than town this game was me.

[Zachrulez]

I'm not really seeing Lowell scum. The best point against him is far from iron clad. (Tail end of both wagons.)

How is that in any way worse than a meta lurking argument?

Oh, about that meta argument. The game where I replaced you has just finished. I was scum there, and you were heavily lurking prior to replacement.

Strangely enough, meta is the saving point for Lowell for me right now. His play is pretty much on par with what I've seen from him in past games. Enough people also want his head to make me weary about that lynch as well.

[Zachrulez]

Plus, scum trying to drive a mislynch on AGM would be insane. The only person who has thought of him as anything other than town this game was me.

Yeah, and your reasons for suspecting him have been completely insane. (See: Made up.)

[Nikanor]

Yeah, and your reasons for suspecting him have been completely insane. (See: Made up.)

So we agree that each other is insane. Excellent.

Strangely enough, meta is the saving point for Lowell for me right now. His play is pretty much on par with what I've seen from him in past games. Enough people also want his head to make me weary about that lynch as well.

a) Have you ever read one of Lowell's scum games?
b) Everyone always wants Lowell dead regardless of his alignment. His playstyle is a noose magnet.

[Zachrulez]

Yeah, and your reasons for suspecting him have been completely insane. (See: Made up.)

So we agree that each other is insane. Excellent.

Strangely enough, meta is the saving point for Lowell for me right now. His play is pretty much on par with what I've seen from him in past games. Enough people also want his head to make me weary about that lynch as well.

a) Have you ever read one of Lowell's scum games?
b) Everyone always wants Lowell dead regardless of his alignment. His playstyle is a noose magnet.

I think I've glanced at one of his scum games once... why?

[Zachrulez]

Well considering

I

drove it for the most part, I'm going to say no.
@Zach: Your case is still crap. Please think of something better if you're just going to piggyback kthx.

Saaaaay... why don't you tell us who you think is scum?

Wow me with some impressive analysis that you've been lacking all game.

Also, this still stands.

[Nikanor]

I'm off to work! I have a night shift tonight, har har har.

[hitogoroshi]

My points on Lowell aren't just about him being on the tail end of wagons. It's that he's doing stuff like his D2 surprise, about to be replaced hammer and then he has next to no game presence to back it up. Hammering obviously isn't scummy, but those circumstances certainly are and it's interesting that Lowell's 'big defense' never came when no one asked for it. The reason I think Lowell is scum is that he has a lot of game presence when it comes to getting townies murdered and next to no presence when it comes to anything else.

Zach, the meta you're proposing for Lowell doesn't really seem...well, workable. You're saying that if Lowell makes poor decisions and lots of people want him dead, he's probably a townie. But that's an incredibly easy style to consciously replicate, and unless you can tell me some way you can tell when Lowell is faking it that's not really a valid meta defense.