LlamaFluff wrote:havingfitz wrote:I don't think anyone is ignoring anything. People are suspicious/leery of fifi but do you see any votes on him?
well I made a post regarding this earlier today but for some reason it didnt actually get posted. Lets try it again
Keeping him in slight suspicion instead of as town is VERY scummy. One of the most dangerous things to let happen as town is for people to get cleared. I know when playing as scum keeping as many people as "lynchable" in my notes is one of biggest things I try to do during the day, getting rid of unlynchables at night.
There are many more scum motivations for being 'leery' of fifi.
Also you say there are "many" situations where fifi can be scum. Lets hear some (also they need to make sense). Remember that to make fifi scum there needs to be a vig in the game.
How is keeping someone that could conceivably not be town under suspicion VERY scummy? In your it’s “IMPOSSIBLE for you to be scum unless....” post to him you yourself point out three scenarios where he could be scum.
vig tried to kill CS night one AND
vig tried to kill NK-immune SK night two AND
SK tried to kill CS or fifi each night.
//Keeping in mind my comments were made before Suave stated what his JK actions were AND agreeing that there would need to be a Vig AND that there could be a Role Blocker AND fifi is fakeclaiming//
In addition to the scenarios you mention above, other possibilities could include:
Vig RB’d or JK’d N1
Vig RB’d or JK’d N2
If we believe Suave’s night action claim (which I will address to him in a following post) and CS was JK’d N1 and fifi was JK’d N2 other possibilities include:
Vig RB’d N1
Vig RB’d N2
As for the single NKs....keeping in mind there could be a Vig and there is an SK....as mentioned above...the Vig could have been RB’d N1 and the SK could have been going for a Haylen kill at the same time as scum since she had unnecessarily given away the fact she was a pro-town power role (most likely tracker). Night two could have seen a Vig (and or SK) go for Civil Scum kill at the same time as scum in conjunction with either the Vig or SK being RB’d.
Also...is there anyway of knowing if a possible Vig has more than one shot? If it is a one-shot Vig he or she could have passed on a N1 kill (and N2 for that matter).
As I said in post 397:
“If I had to take a position on fifi it would be that his claim is legit...however, as I’ve sadi before...I think there are enough variables in the game to not make him 100% confirmed town.”
That’s all I’m saying...I am resigned to think fifi is town but it's not the strongest feel because of his gameplay so far. Suave’s recent claim definitely makes the situation more interesting and I look forward to hearing everyone’s non-counters. Also...has everyone countered as not-cult mentor in response to fifi’s claim?
Additionally, I find it suspicious and hypocritical that fifi would vote Suave immediately after Suave claimed and then insinuate I was scum (for I assume my continued reluctance to anoint him (fifi) as confirmed town)...when he (fifi) is essentially doing the same thing with regard to Suave (ie not taking the claim for face value and continuing to be suspicious of).
Lastly...I am in no way trying to induce a Vig claim with my hypothetical scenarios. Though I don't think we can eliminate either fifi or Suave's claims if there isn't a Vig.
