Mafia 110: Mafia in Hell, Michigan (Tied.)

[Ythan]

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Poisoner

[Ythan]

Weighing 'kill flavor varies by killer' against 'mod killed Cyanide with cyanide for lols'.

[farside22]

There is a debate whether poisner is considered normal or not.

[Ythan]

And I've seen a town godfather in a normal game before so. I don't see what's so terribly abnormal about a poisoner. I thought watcher was a stretch, but there was mafia tracker too.

[Ythan]

At any rate, N2 kill by poison would fit the role.

[Ythan]

Oh, and it would be a Xyl-style SK poisoner, not a mafia one as indicated on the wiki.

[Ythan]

Or, we have multiple mafia factions and one poisoned a player from the other. At any rate unless it's a town poisoner there are two scum factions.

[Konowa]

Weighing 'kill flavor varies by killer' against 'mod killed Cyanide with cyanide for lols'.

Until proven, go with option #2.
i.e. we will find out tomorrow.

Just to clarify, you are leaning on night one being a mafia kill and a vig kill and night two being a mafia kill and a sk kill?

Preview Edit: Multiple mafia factions is not possible give both crypto and Dr.C flipped Mafia XXXX.

[Ythan]

That's the theory. And what's this about no multiple mafia factions? Are they typically indicated as distinct upon flip?

[Konowa]

Yes.
Every game I have read/played that has had multiple mafia factions have been flavoured. If you want I will link but a quick scan through large normal games will show this.

[Ythan]

I'll take a look, this is something I was not aware of. I'm sticking with SK then.

[farside22]

That's the theory. And what's this about no multiple mafia factions? Are they typically indicated as distinct upon flip?

yes.
Not sure about the poison thing. I'm sticking by the poisning of the mafia member as a flavor from the mod right now.

I still need to finish my analysist of everyone.
*sigh*

[Kison]

@farside22, I'm going through everyone individually right now and will have a fairly large post sometime today with what you're looking for.

[Ythan]

On the other hand, I don't think Richard is scum, he's just playing his meta

Weak defense.

Do you think that vote's going to snap him out of flaking or something?

Just finished skimming the thread and decided to post just for this

Posts just because he was called out.

I

will

do a full analysis tomorrow.

Yay!

Analysis is proving to be more difficult than I thought but I'm working on it.

Aw...

[Kison]

Dearest Ythan, are you implying that I am preaching with empty words? You wound me.

[Ythan]

Your posting I like loads more. I'm looking over everyone though. And I've been good scum caught thanks to a bad predecessor.

[Ythan]

I am still a little concerned over your definition of Ace's "Active Lurking" and for that

FOS: SK

Rike FoSes SK for calling Ace an active lurker.

[Unsight]

I would rather lynch jb and let the vig(?) take out Beater.

this ^

meta beater any time and he is basically CSL. Anti-town, uninformative and non-helpful.

Is it standard practice on mafiascum.net to ignore the people who seem obviously scummy and hope a vigilante kills them?

You both come off talking about this in a "matter of fact" sort of way and it's very bizarre to me.

[Ythan]

Konowa and farside, do you think that last night was even an indication that a vig will kill Beater after the oddness of night one?

[Konowa]

@Unsight: I have a hard time reading people who are anti-town on purpose [Richard, CSL, etc.]. Blah, blah, blah "too scummy to be scum" is a fallacy. I know, I get it. I still have a hard time reading them. That said, I rather lynch people who I am convinced is scum and let vig take care of the other.

@Ythan: By "oddness of night one", you mean crypto being killed? Why is that odd?

[farside22]

DedicatedScribe

- What changed your view about this:

Horrordude seems townie to me because he is a noob, and noobs tend to be more emotional. His second post thus makes me come to the aforementioned conclusion.

Curiousity makes me ask this. Musher was the only person early on to do a PbPa. Why did you attack him instead of asking others their views?
DS: fos on horror is comical comment considering crypto's flip. I'm not sure why he says it's an attempt to set up a mislynch.
Dedicated vote on beater and reasoning is terrible. It's basically he is picking X player over Y player and not going further beyond that.

unvote; vote WRP_Beater

I don't know why I'd rather vote Beater. Mainly because I feel the attack on him is more easy to understand, and the one on Richard could be sensationalized. I don't have enough time to look on that, so I'll go with the simpler choice.

What has changed your view on beater?

really?

I am NOT going to be like NS and vote horror just because I'm exasperated.

vote NS

No not really

Dude is an opportunistic idiot attempting to ride someone else's flimsy coattails and wagon me. Seriously he even admitted to lurking. Can we just lynch this awful guy already.

DS is not an idiot but simply does not understand that asking the same person the same question over and over again is going to reach a point where that person doesn't give a fuck what you think anymore.

I will not ask the same question over and over again, if you'd pay attention, unless you have yet to answer it.

Want me to repeat the ones you havent answered yet?

Getting bored with this. If you want, say no to the above, and I'll see how long it takes to get an answer from someone else.

Oh, and

vote horror

Werent you supposed to be doing something?

My biggest issue with DS is that he hasn't done anything but follow others idea's and vote as they vote. He hasn't made a point that someone else didn't point out and his flip on horror is completely hypocritical. He doesn't look beyond what everyone else pointed out as scum or made views beyond the narrow scope.

[farside22]

I would rather lynch jb and let the vig(?) take out Beater.

this ^

meta beater any time and he is basically CSL. Anti-town, uninformative and non-helpful.

Is it standard practice on mafiascum.net to ignore the people who seem obviously scummy and hope a vigilante kills them?

You both come off talking about this in a "matter of fact" sort of way and it's very bizarre to me.

If there is a vig in the game then what's the issue?
Why is WRP scummy to you?
Do you know WRP is a scum's wet dream of an easy lynch? I'm sorry for being crude but if WRP is town he's the easiest person to make a case on for his anti-town behavoir. He's also if scum an easy way for scum to buss and looks oh so shiney. I suspect he's a VI.

[farside22]

He heads out into the cold night and makes his way to an abandoned warehouse down by the wharves on Lake Michigan. Inside, he calls out: "You out there, boss?" Suddenly, a searing pain shoots through his stomach as a burst of light and a loud gunshot echoes through the building. As he lies on the ground bleeding, he sees a figure walking towards him. "You're not the boss....", the bleeding man says. The figure kicks him in the head and walks out the door, leaving him there to die.

How is this odd?
now it's possible the killings are a SK. I have to say the Dr.Cy is an odd kill target. He was most likely going to be replaced and said next to nothing but had suspicion on him.

[Konowa]

Which is why I am leaning towards "flavour being for the lulz". Dr.C makes zero sense as a SK target.

[Riddick]

I would rather lynch jb and let the vig(?) take out Beater.

well that assumes we have a vig and not an SK. why not do it the other way around anyway, is there a difference between lynching and letting an hypo vig take care of him?