Mini 941: (Almost) No Rules Mafia (Game Over)

[CallMeLiam]

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[CallMeLiam]

I'm gonna get dee-runk tomorrow

[CallMeLiam]

vote: Zoraster

Unprompted wagons out of the random voting stage are the most pro-town of all the tells.

[CallMeLiam]

I suppose this means we have to start playing properly now...

totally, why start the thread so early?

[CallMeLiam]

What's your win condition?

[CallMeLiam]

Oh.

When did he addend that role PM?

[CallMeLiam]

Oh, you did make the observation, again, in the other thread. Yet, you still have neglected to actually post, in the game thread.

People from this game posting in the other thread are scum city.

totally, why start the thread so early?

Sounds like a plan was made during night zero and totallynotmafia started it a little too soon.

FoS: CallMeLiam

xvart.

First off, why is posting in the other thread scummy?

Secondly, I haven't posted in this one? Posts 82 and 86 are me prodding you about your claim because I think it's bogus. If I believed you were pro-town I'm pretty sure I'd have left well alone and not pried more info from you. Putting my suspicions in the other thread is hardly keeping them a secret is it? The reason I didn't put them here is because I'd have liked you to answer the question before I outright called you scummy, but at the same time I really wanted to point out that I thought you were scummy.

Doc, when you're buying into other people's cases make sure they're accurate. I was scum hunting in this thread, and I was hunting the guy you're following.

[CallMeLiam]

Doc, of your six posts in this thread, how many of them would you say contained scum hunting and how many would you say were either hypocritical or just following someone else?

It's early days and all but it helps if your 'case' against someone isn't actually much more valid as a case against yourself.

vote: DocPotter

with the addenda that I don't believe Xvart's claim at all and think they're on the same team.

[CallMeLiam]

Dealing with Xvart's reply to me:

First off, why is posting in the other thread scummy?

I should rephrase: people trying to direct the less informed super-majority to discuss specific players are scum city. Anyone doing that is subtly trying to influence the other players by having a wealth of questionable information to exploit. Town members do not need to exploit the questionable information with questionable motives from people not in this game.

I disagree here. The presence of a sounding board open to the public is something I've never played with before and I have no idea how it'll impact the game. Nonetheless it'd be stupid not to try taking advantage of it somehow. Wilfully ignoring a whole dimension of the game isn't great play.

Putting my suspicions in the other thread is hardly keeping them a secret is it? The reason I didn't put them here is because I'd have liked you to answer the question before I outright called you scummy, but at the same time I really wanted to point out that I thought you were scummy.

Yet you still haven't called me scummy in this thread AND your current vote does not support your accusations. If feels to me like you are trying to goad others into voting me without directly supporting my lynch.

After all you've said to/about me you think that DocPotter is more scummy than I am? If your vote is really just about us allegedly being teammates wouldn't you gain more information about his alignment by lynching me first than you would about my alignment by lynching him first?

Your

The MD threads "case" on me seems to be stronger than your simple "case" on DocPotter, yet you vote for him.

Talk about duplicity.

What difference does it make where I call you scummy?

My current vote suggests that I find Doc scummier than you, which I did when I made it. At the time of my vote you'd answered all my questions about your initially shady claim in a satisfactory way so I dropped it.

At the time of my vote you were actually taking part in the game, Doc wasn't. He popped up to vote and then disappeared again. This to me was scummier than your claim. The claim by the way is the only thing I didn't like at the time which is why it was the only thing I asked you about.

Finally, care to explain what you meant when you asked TotallyNotMafia why he started the thread so early? It sounds like you already knew he was going to start it. Mental note: when on a scum team in a bastard setup and my team decides to create a supplemental thread make sure that everyone knows when the appropriate time to start it is.

vote xvart

because there is no reason what so ever to claim so early, or even to talk about power roles so early...

It's a good thing I didn't

really

claim.

xvart.

That sounds to me like you're twisting my words. TNM was the first of us to start a thread and he did it early in the game. Early meaning "before a long time has passed" rather than "ahead of schedule"

Why did you fake claim?

The Bananas\UK Claim:

Urrrgh. Seems like killing both of them is the best way to snag scum here, I doubt scum would want a 1-for-1 trade.

UK\Bananas, since you admit both players would need to be killed at some point, would you be fine with us killing you first?

[CallMeLiam]

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[CallMeLiam]

I see no reason not to force both Bananas and UK to treestump now, to

A) prevent whichever one is scum from doing it later
B) prove that UK isn't a jester setting herself up with a comically elaborate plot

I very much doubt that the latter is the case but since I'm not 100% sold on UK being the scum of the pair then I'd appreciate this from ol' Nanas.

Also, is anyone due a prod?

[CallMeLiam]

B would not be solved by UK treestumping now, because that doesn't prove she isn't also Bananas.

At what point do I seem like I'm hopping onto the wagon? I don't want UK lynching immediately because I don't buy her as more scummy than Bananas right now. My vote

Both players tree stumping proves they're different players and since we can't be sure Bananas isn't the town player until both die I don't want them having a free night to superscum around.

I want both Bananas and UK to treestump.

[CallMeLiam]

UK, why haven't you treestumped yet?

[CallMeLiam]

Fandango is my key, I haven't used the ability yet. Anyone want me to?

vote: hmn