Mini 934 - Troubles at Smiths&Catharts (Game Over!)

[Ythan]

If someone who's around right now would like to point out the very start of the Ches wagon I'd appreciate it. Until then I'm just going to start at the first vote or thereabouts.

[Col.Cathart]

Votecount 1.9

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

If you'll encounter any kind of mistake in my vote count - please point it out.

Ythan (4):

Thor665, Kthxbye, RayFrost, Sotty7
RayFrost (2): Copper, Pomegranate
TheCheshireCat (2): Inquisitor JL, Zorblag
Kthxbye (1): ScramblesTheDeathDealer
Zorblag (1): TheCheshireCat
Sotty7 (1): Ythan

not voting: Sajin.

current deadline is:

Thursday, 18.03.2010 at 00:30 AM GMT +1 (Wednesday, 17.03.2010 at 11:30 PM GMT, 7:30 PM EST, 4:30 PM PST).

Deadline in 2 days + a few hours. (I adjusted the clock due to summer time in on EST and PST clock. If I messed up something - tell me)

Looking for replacement for Scrambles

[Thor665]

I will admit that I haven't given this game my all but don't discount his actions because I've done them as well. Scum points for both of us, not neither.

This is the towniest seeming thing you've said all Day Phase.

Do you disagree with a deadline pressured lynch?

I disagree with his attempt to rush to the deadline without answering anything.

What questions has he dodged?

If you folks plan on lynching me you need to spit it out

now

.

I certainly intend to continue to make motion in this direction. Ythan does have a kernel of truth in his commentary insomuch as I would rather like us to get to the L-1 stage for whomever it is we're going to be lynching by the end of today so we have time for a claim and some discussion prior to hammer.

I think it might be a mistake to wait that long. After a claim if we choose to look elsewhere for a lynch we're already going to be very pressed for time.

We're already pressed for time because everyone and his uncle has been lurking like a mothersmurfing lunatic. I was calling for vote consolidation last week for a reason. How exactly do you propose we speed up anything at this particular stage?

I am not a fan of Kthxbye's wagon.
I am neutral to the Ray wagon but overall don't really see why it has so much traction.
I'm content to lynch Ythan or Cheshire and at the moment will happily vote either way to ensure a lynch (Ythan's last post was as townish as he's gotten and at least he actually posts which puts him ahead of the cat).

Since I've changed my preference of who I'd firstmost like to see lynched;

Unvote: Ythan
Vote TheCheshireCat

I will cite going V/LA shortly prior to deadline whilst leaving a useless vote (Zorblag) on the table.

[Ythan]

IJL
0 Votes Ches for no random vote.
3 Lightly attacks Ches for complaining about me.
7 Says Ches is as good a wagon as any. I disagree.

Zorblag
3 Troll am find Ches alleged hunting wanting. Also 227. Also a vote.

I find no fault with Zorblag's vote. Point raised to IJL.

[Ythan]

What questions has he dodged?

I don't believe he's supported his vote.

How exactly do you propose we speed up anything at this particular stage?

I will get back to you on this if feasible.

[Ythan]

I still find NS's last three posts highly suspect. He completely flipped his shit over accusations of lurking, not the fact that he thought I was breaking a rule.

Thx iso post 1, soft selling a poor case on me with lots of ellipses. I maintain that ellipses make self distancing x times more telling where x is the number of periods used. He used a lot. Also he pointlessly whines about my style. He does this in the next post too. The distances from dumb stuff his pred did. He votes me with a feasible argument that I'm anti-town and a really shitty one that I'm scum. Whines some more later one, never turns his case proper.

[Ythan]

Then distances*

later on*

[Ythan]

Searching ns in an iso is a real bitch by the way.

[Ythan]

I also find RayF's lack of participation .... disturbing.

Vote: RayFrost

This is not the Ray I know. Also, anyone attempting to break their own known meta deserves to be lynched,

especially

if not doing anything.

This of course will remain completely terrible forever.

[Ythan]

Ray's content approaches zero.

[Sotty7]

Do you disagree with a deadline pressured lynch?

I disagree with his attempt to rush to the deadline without answering anything.

Are you talking about me here? If you are I am a)female and b) don't recall you actually asking me anything. You are still ignoring my call for a case on the so called “obv scum” NS that you dropped quicker than a heartbeat. Give me a case or break down on what you are thinking and then we can talk.

The deadline is a real threat unless you want a no lynch, I find it scummy that you don't seem to care about that. We need flips and info to figure out what is going on.

Though with scrambles replacing out we should get an extension.

Mod: Any chance of an extra week to give a replacement a chance to catch up?

Pom seems content to hunt lurkers. In a game like this that isn't hard to do, but I would like some opinions on actual posters too please.

What questions has he dodged?

I don't believe he's supported his vote.

Pot, kettle etc...

[Ythan]

You are still ignoring my call for a case on the so called “obv scum” NS that you dropped quicker than a heartbeat.

Have I.

The deadline is a real threat unless you want a no lynch, I find it scummy that you don't seem to care about that. We need flips and info to figure out what is going on.

And I find straw men scummy. Address actual points made please.

Though with scrambles replacing out we should get an extension.

Not should. It's up to the mod. Would be really nice though.

What questions has he dodged?

I don't believe he's supported his vote.

Pot, kettle etc...

You can make a case on me for it but if you're not going to account for your own actions at the same time then you're scummy.

[Ythan]

Ray's defensiveness over NS's RV is weird. And by breaking meta he might have meant not doing almost any hunting this game. He attacked Scrambles' case on me and then nothing ever again unless you count 33/34 which isn't scumhunting apart from where he jumps on the NS wagon. And he hasn't cleared up the inconsistency Thor raised about cases on me. Not even sure what kind of explanation is coming.

[Sotty7]

What points have you made on me Ythan?

I'm pretty sure you have made nothing over the omgus'y vote on me which really doesn't need a response. I'm happy to address points and questions, but you have made none.

[Ythan]

Wait your turn. While you do I'll make this really large so you address it maybe.

Just because I didn't support my vote doesn't make you doing the same any less scummy.

[Ythan]

I've finished one game and it was a newbie game with Ray. Thus far, it's too similar a play style from when I played with him in that game to call it breaking meta. Just my feelings on him.

I would love to see a link to this game. Also I'm moving my vote to you, at least until I've given Sotty/someone else as in depth a read as you.

unvote vote Kthxbye

[Ythan]

Ray and Nobody Special, (read my previous post). Ray because of his whole meta thing. I don't see it as anything voteworthy however, I'd like to see what happens first.

Other players have adequately explained how your "scum if he's scum, scum if he's town" argument is a flop. I just want to point out that you think he's scum but not voteworthy.

[Ythan]

I'm going to go ahead and predict, before getting to and analyzing Scrambles, that he's scum.

[Ythan]

I am forced to wonder why Ray is breaking meta? If he is town why does it matter. But maybe he just doesn't want to be easily read anymore. Some ppl of mentioned that he is not acting like Ray-Town, since he is breaking meta, is possible that he is playing his town role like his usual scum, and his scum roles he will play like his usual town... Idk just a thought.

Scummy self-distancing ellipses.

[Ythan]

Before I put any real pressure on she was happy to push lurkers while laying the grounds for lurking herself. I then put my vote on her and suddenly she can't play two games at once? I don't buy it. So it is mostly the timing of her replacement request that gives me a scum feel. It came as a direct result from pressure and I have to think she would have stuck around if I hadn't done anything.

I'm all for finding replacers scummy but it's a stretch to say that she was under any kind of threatening pressure from you.

With that in mind I have to believe we have just been unlucky so far. Like really, really unlucky.

Pet tell of mine.

[RayFrost]

I'd say that my top suspect is RayFrost, who wins in a landslide victory. Recently he started harking on Ythan for Fluffy posting. I mean, seriously, him being the one talking? The hypocrisy is killing me. And that's all he doing- like linking to useless posts of Ythan.

Like, the case feels really half-hearted. The type of way ScumRF makes cases.

Confirm Vote: RF

.

WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My cases as scum are nonexistent or heavily 'tunnel visioned.'

They aren't half-hearted; none of my cases are half-hearted. As scum, I'll say there is a case I have and then just not provide it, or I will say there is a case and then go BOOM and keep using it as reason to attack one person the entire time they are alive.

Unless, ofc, you are counting my 'person T is scum, that is all' type posts as half-hearted cases, in which case you are looking at my town

and

scum meta on that.

The fact you are misrepresenting my meta so egregiously is scummy, just a fyi.

If you are going to so heavily rely on meta, you should first actually back it up with links and such.

Now, I think it is about time I go on the offensive, so let's rumble.

Your reasoning for finding me scummy is mostly 'omfg, meta, meta, omfg, matching scum meta!' and 'not posting!!! scum!!!' I'm actually posting now, so the second point is null, so let us look at the first point.

It's weak, as your meta on me is like... two games? One of which I was

attempting

to get myself lynched (*ahemflashmafiaahem*)? The other I was intending to lynch you to get into lylo and then get bussed and have my partner win 3p? So you are basing your meta off of the times where

I have deliberately been scummy in order to make it easy for my partner(s) to bus me in order to get town cred

? Really? Not only is your meta

heavily

incomplete (see the lack of town meta and the limited number of scum metas), but the meta you

do

have doesn't even apply to this game.

So your reasoning to find me scummy based off of meta is flimsy and weak, just like the 'omfg, scum for not posting' argument.

So, overall, you are really just trying to match the more outspoken players in that they think I'm scum (copper, scotty, etc) without actually contributing much in the way of substance to the attacks on me.

Stop riding their coattails and provide some substantive attacks already.

[RayFrost]

By the by, post 495 is my version of a half-hearted case.

[Pomegranate]

I don't have time for a real reply at the moment, but I would like to say that your post is based off of the assumption that my vote is based on meta. It's not. Meta is a supporting pillar, but not the base. I think I said that somewhere, and when I have time I will try to find it.

[Ythan]

You spent that whole post criticizing Pom for riding the coattails of the players attack you for better reasons.

[RayFrost]

You spent that whole post criticizing Pom for riding the coattails of the players attack you for better reasons.

Yup.

Got a problem with that other than the fact it lacks the defending myself from the reasoning given by the other players?