Mafia 110: Mafia in Hell, Michigan (Tied.)

[Ythan]

My conclusions on Lowell are pro-town. HOWEVER, the case Unsight has made on him recently, and only that one, does have some good points. I would like very much for the accused to be around more to talk that out.

[Riddick]

lol?

Lol! (If that's your language)

My 'lol?' was in disbelief at what you said. Yes lynching a VT is of course bad. but I thought it was pretty clear by the fact I was voting you that I don't believe your claim and think you're lying scum. You've done NO scumhunting from memory and only pop up when called out. SO yeah, please feel free to keep claiming vanilla.

[Ythan]

Beater never really improved on his ridiculous early posting. Iso post 6 is defense with off site self meta for pressure that was entirely his fault for stupid posts. Post 9 screams ingenuinity, particularly the second to last sentence. However there's also the possibility that he's just dumb. Stance on SK seems to flip flop between 17 and 18. Questions he has not answered about 23. Then trying to twist my VT shouldn't claim spiel.

I'm going to switch my vote to Beater for now because he's scummy and I have not gotten to my other suspects, or most players at all, yet in this round of rehashing old material.

unvote vote WRP_Beater

[Riddick]

But I gave reasoning...while Riddick did not.

FoS

.

Pfft reasoning is overrated.

Also could one of the people voting ythan please explain the case to me. Is it based on interactions w/ known scum, or what? I don't remember seeing a good case on him.

[Riddick]

Also, lynching a claimed VT and finding out that he was indeed a VT is not only having one less townie on the town's side, but also wasting a lynch and having less chance of winning. And a

partially

inactive VT isn't that counterproductive.

VT shouldn't claim anyway. And, scummy players should be lynched rather than kept around until endgame. Even if they're town you don't want them clouding judgment later,

especially

if they're just VT.

So you say that we should lynch all the VTs.

strawman much? not even a great attempt at it either.

also i think pwnman is town.

[Ythan]

I agree; Rich is worse than Beater (narrowly). And this doesn't look like the frustrated townie strain of self-destruction.

I'm going to completely backtrack here and say that crypto was probably trying not to look soft on Beater.

[Riddick]

Unsight how many games have you played on 'scum?

[Ythan]

Crypto's defense of Beater/attack on Dude based on the "I win with the town" comment is so incredibly ridiculous.

[Ythan]

DS's weak attack on Beater early on fits both of them as scum, too.

[Ythan]

Dr. C defends Beater saying he looks like town. Reads as quite a stretch.

Someone please break my chain I'm starting to feel guilty.

[Konowa]

Fine.

Dr. Cyanide - seems pretty pro-town, has made some good posts

Comments on this? I only ask because, uh, I really do not see the "good posts".

[Ythan]

Oh right there wasn't any night 0 O_O
Anyway Riddick, why did you daykill me without even asking once for a RC? Anyway, I am (or at least was) a VT. I win with the town. Also, I know now you can't cancel the daykill. Believe me, I'm a VT. Why would I lie when I am daykilled? You've just wasted a daykill.

unvote

He's such a newb that I think I can believe this... for now.

I maintain that ellipses make self distancing x times more telling whether x is the number of periods used.

[Ythan]

I tentatively retract my pro-town read on Lowell until I reread his long posts. ctrl+fing Beater in his Iso brought me to a number of what I consider very poor points.

[Kison]

I know, you just stated the obvious. I can't prove I'm a VT. I only claimed to be a VT.

Very observant, biff. Except, I was only pointing out the obvious because you were using an illogical statement as an attempt to sway people from voting you.

Now, go respond to the question at the bottom of

post 1600

. Or did you just pull those names out of a hat?

Unvote

Vote: WRP_Beater

[farside22]

gut check reading cryto one more time

fos: lowell

This is your iso post 84. If you fleshed this out I missed it, can I get a little detail?

I don't remember I think I would have to read crypto again to remember why I fos'ed lowell.

I'm trying to find desire to do so. I'm still in a fowl mood today.

[Ythan]

Sorry farside. At the very least I've lightened up and don't expect to be a dick in the near future. Cheer up soon.

[farside22]

Crypto's defense of Beater/attack on Dude based on the "I win with the town" comment is so incredibly ridiculous.

This is a good point. I remember crypto taking stance against horror on this and calling crypto out for his misinterpt of the win condition.

[farside22]

Sorry farside. At the very least I've lightened up and don't expect to be a dick in the near future. Cheer up soon.

I'm trying.
Kon post 1635 is a great point and question to jb. Who should be answering why he found dr.cy town.

[Ythan]

I remember that, I accidentally kind of sort of fished you. That's a big plus for you.

[Ythan]

I am not exactly sure if it is missteps or if he really is scummy but for now I am going to have to jump on the Beater Wagon.

Unvote Vote WRP_Beater

I like this. I don't mean I think it's townish I just like having juicy evidence.

[Ythan]

Done with Beater and happy with my vote.

[Ythan]

158- cyanide votes crypto w/ hilarious post [+, just a vibe]
266- Beater show continues [+, this guy is fireworks, but gives off town vibe]
277- nobody special obsesses over votecount AGAIN, votes beater, promises more action later [-, almost too obvious to be scum. Almost]
346- rich claims watcher [+, very believable given the circumstances]

1) I very very very much believe

richard

's claim, and very much encourage others to do so as well.
2) The

beater

thing is a red herring. This guy is town. [...] Townpoints for

cyanide

also. Hard to explain.
3)

farside

comments on my playstyle too much. [...]

fos farside

I think last time I looked at you I hit the top of the long posts, noted a few reasonable points, and moved on. Taking a more earnest look, these are the points I find most questionable from the first one.

[Ythan]

Either way it's faaar better than the terrible beater wagon. Beater is still town, no matter how many opportunistic people want to convince themselves otherwise.

No.

1002- "assessment" post from riken [-, looks too narratory]
1017- ythan sites his own scumlist, votes SK [-, too easy]
1019- unsight accuses ythan of opportunism w/ beater wagon [+, exactly]
1200s- very strange "doc" argument between farside and ythan [-, both look to be setting up a doc lynch down the road]
1218- surprisingly good case against ythan from rik [+]
1456- more retarded commentary from beater [still town, though]

fos ythan

looks much darker today. I dont' like the flavor chat, and his need to control conversations is starting to become a problem (for instance, he's shown he can fish/breadcrumb his way to attention, and I sense that he's bullied more than his fair share away from their ideas). Activity is good, but bullying is not.

First point is hypocritical, rest just need explanation.

[farside22]

Read crypto again in iso and dr.cy

Dr. Didn't give me much. He was lazy, lurking and just posting scum.

Crypto on the other hand leads me to believe musher is town. Things musher said to crypto and crypto's reason.

That was a pretty good text wall by Lowell. (Then again, the last time I said that he flipped scum.) He makes some good points, even if I don't agree with them all. I know from experience what he means about Beater (as for this instance, I'm not yet sure what to make of it, though I'm significantly less interested in Beater than I was before), and his willingness to say that sort of thing strikes me as pro-town.

I think this post made me think lowell scum. He doesn't why why the thinks it's good.

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? He claimed VT, with what looks like role PM paraphrasing.

This makes me think crypto knew WRP was telling the truth even though the paraphrasing was wrong.

[Ythan]

You think

crypto

was defending

WRP_Beater[/url] that hard and with that evidence?