Mafia 110: Mafia in Hell, Michigan (Tied.)

[Riddick]

Vote: Lowell

• Little content / Lots of fluff
  
• Being too certain about various posters' alignment
  
• Giving "pro-town points" to 2 mafia members

I find 1 and 3 convincing. 2 isn't a scum tell by an stretch of the imagination, more of a personality tell. Lowell also tends to lurk a fair bit, but still, his lack of any content this game does seem a little different.

3) is good enough by itself of course.

[Unsight]

That also goes along with this:

Consensus as I have seen in my games is that safe lists are bad.

So "safe lists" are bad but giving "town points" is okay?

[Ythan]

Yeah except I

still

didn't proclaim them town. I'm sharing thoughts as I read over confirmed scum. Sharing is caring.

[Ythan]

That also goes along with this:

Consensus as I have seen in my games is that safe lists are bad.

So "safe lists" are bad but giving "town points" is okay?

Thing one is not ok, distinct thing two is. I think you're onto something.

[Lowell]

@unsight- I'll get to another long post soon. regardless, your objection to me is retarded. a throwaway comment about your bad scumdar, followed by a lurker-vote? Looks opportunistic.

I feel like I've been relatively clear with what I'm thinking throughout. Seriously, if you don't like me at this level of participation we're never going to get along.

[Riddick]

I agree; Rich is worse than Beater (narrowly). And this doesn't look like the frustrated townie strain of self-destruction.

Town points for Beater due to crypto qualifying him as only narrowly better to set up a move back later.

Disagree, I see it as null or possibly scum points. He could always come back and say 'Oh I suspected him', buttt it's pretty WIFOMy either way, just don't agree it makes him more likely to be town.

[pman5595]

Vote: Lowell

Rikenslope is still under suspicion

and all we need to do is have 1 scum die per night and we're set.

[Ythan]

That's not how I read crypto.

[Riddick]

That also goes along with this:

Consensus as I have seen in my games is that safe lists are bad.

So "safe lists" are bad but giving "town points" is okay?

Thing one is not ok, distinct thing two is. I think you're onto something.

Neither are bad really, sharing who's town isn't a big deal, I find it helpful.

[Unsight]

@unsight- I'll get to another long post soon. regardless, your objection to me is retarded. a throwaway comment about your bad scumdar, followed by a lurker-vote? Looks opportunistic.

I feel like I've been relatively clear with what I'm thinking throughout. Seriously, if you don't like me at this level of participation we're never going to get along.

That's because your "level of participation" is almost exactly nothing.

You have fewer posts than WRP_Beater and about the same level of useful content.

[Ythan]

vote molestargazer

for now

Woah, any particular reason why you're voting one of the (at least IMO) most pro-town players in the game?

What is it you find so very pro-town about Mole?

[Ythan]

That also goes along with this:

Consensus as I have seen in my games is that safe lists are bad.

So "safe lists" are bad but giving "town points" is okay?

Thing one is not ok, distinct thing two is. I think you're onto something.

Neither are bad really, sharing who's town isn't a big deal, I find it helpful.

I feel that asking everyone in the game to share who they feel is town can be destructive. This is clearly not that.

[Riddick]

That also goes along with this:

Consensus as I have seen in my games is that safe lists are bad.

So "safe lists" are bad but giving "town points" is okay?

Thing one is not ok, distinct thing two is. I think you're onto something.

Neither are bad really, sharing who's town isn't a big deal, I find it helpful.

I feel that asking everyone in the game to share who they feel is town can be destructive. This is clearly not that.

Agree to disagree then, but admittedly what you're being accused of isn't that, at all.

Agree on the mole question, he's a pretty null read for me at this moment.

[Ythan]

Speaking of Mole I'm finding that almost nobody talks about him ever. Occasionally someone will answer a question he asked, or include him in a general review. Jb talked to him quite a bit though, and I'm also not done looking through all players.

[Ythan]

Who I'm looking at for scum:

vote Rikenslope

FoS molestargazer, Ace, horrordude0215

IGMEOY: Dr. Cyanide, SaintKerrigan, Musher33

There's not anything particularly inobvious with my suspicions.
...
molestargazer, horrordude0215, SaintKerrigan - have a scummy feeling to them, though I'm less sure on SK.

vote molestargazer

for now

I don't understand what you don't see... From what I saw yesterday, he seemed to be making really large posts that came to the same consensus that everyone else did. Seems generally fake to me and like he's trying to get away with bandwagoning by being wordy. Feels more "trying to seem protown" than "town."

Make that jb and Ray. All of it is quite a stretch, too.

[jbernier93]

• Little content / Lots of fluff
  
• Being too certain about various posters' alignment
  
• Giving "pro-town points" to 2 mafia members

First two are just Lowell being Lowell, unfortunately.

Just to clarify this, you...

A) ...don't see those as scum tells at all.
or
B) ...are wanting to ignore those because it's Lowell.

Mostly B, although really I wouldn't mind if Lowell was lynched.

vote molestargazer

for now

Woah, any particular reason why you're voting one of the (at least IMO) most pro-town players in the game?

What is it you find so very pro-town about Mole?

He makes promises which he follows through with, he makes very detailed analysis, and generally behaves like a townie should. Frankly I don't see any scumminess in any of his posts either.

Speaking of Mole I'm finding that almost nobody talks about him ever. Occasionally someone will answer a question he asked, or include him in a general review. Jb talked to him quite a bit though, and I'm also not done looking through all players.

Parce que mole was asking me questions etc for much of the past two days, so of course I talked to him.

[Ythan]

Let's see if the criteria for your town read of Mole match up with the rest of your iso, then.

[Unsight]

I feel that asking everyone in the game to share who they feel is town can be destructive. This is clearly not that.

I'm going to step back and look at something else for a while as I may be reading too much into this. It is just a really bizarre coincidence that immediately after I make a post noting that Lowell was giving "town points" to known mafia that you start giving "town points" out of the blue.

There are other people worth looking into and quite a few people who need to be more active (Lowell, RFWM, Mole, WRP).

[Ythan]

Jb, who do you find townish and why? Mind that you're consistent.

[farside22]

@ythan: reading the night scenes for the 2 nights I can't understand why you would think there was a third kill. I just reads as flavor to me.
@unsight: Why do you think discussing the storyline the mod made is scummy.

vote: jbernier93

[farside22]

Sorry it's not unsight. Konowa why did you have issue with ythan discussing the storyline, why is that scummy?

[Ythan]

Doctor shot by sniper, sniper shoots knocker, sniper drinks poison. I count three. I didn't say I thought there was a third kill, I said it was odd.

[farside22]

Doctor shot by sniper, sniper shoots knocker, sniper drinks poison. I count three. I didn't say I thought there was a third kill, I said it was odd.

I read it as sniper shot doc. Sniper has a visit and panics.
Since the sniper in the story reads as the one dead and the one that shot the doctor and as far as I ever heard mafia doesn't get 2 kills in one night.
I say it's just flavor.

[Ythan]

And I say it's flavor yet still noticeable. What's the dispute here?

[Netopalis]

Mod note: Flavor in the scenes is just flavor. Nothing more, nothing less. I didn't mean to imply anything about the setup by including the short vignettes that accompany every daybreak - they are merely there to help set the mood. Sorry for any confusion.