Teleportation Mafia Universe ONE (MAFIA A WINS!)

[evilsnail]

Day 4 Vote Count

CSL ( 0 )
evilsnail ( 3 ) Ellibereth CSL ojanen
starbuck ( 0 )
fishythefish ( 0 )
gayle ( 0 )
mykonian ( 1 ) spyrex
ojanen ( 0 )
Ellibereth ( 0 )
spyrex ( 2 ) mykonian fishythefish
Haylen ( 0 )
Not Voting ( 4 ) gayle starbuck evilsnail Haylen
Total Votes ( 10 )

With 10 alive, 6 needed to lynch.
Deadline: March 17th 12:00 EST

Why did you have not have a townread on Day 3?

Well, Day 3 was pretty short. Mostly, I agreed with a lot of what myko was saying Day 1.

I don't quite get how this backing off works with your read. You don't see it as possibly reactional to SpyreX induced happenings?

Hmm.. I went and read the bit where myko backs off his Day 3 vote of me and I guess it wasn't as townie-ish as I thought. As I've said previously, I think both you and fishy are town in part because you've both been very wishy-washy on me, when you needn't have been. Myko sorta did something similar earlier today, here:

I should reread The raskol case is old. Evil is still interesting, but his admitting his scummy things makes me worry. I still have a no-read on Ojanen.

But actually he was already voting SpyreX at this point and the comment mostly repeats what fishy and you have said. So maybe it wasn't as significant as I thought.

I'm starting to re-evaluate my town read on myko.

[evilsnail]

I will be happy with a lynch of you three (myko, SpyreX, evil)

If myko or SpyreX flip town, the other one is scum. If evil is town, both must be scum. Vice versa applies.

Don't ask why, it's just a gut read.

Eh.. forget what I said earlier. CSL is town. This isn't scum-play.

[Ojanen]

Eh.. forget what I said earlier. CSL is town. This isn't scum-play.

He's not scum, but why does

that

post reverse your read?

[mykonian]

Which raises, again, if I'm NOT trying to currently get CSL lynched and that post was in reply to Snail TRYING to get CSL lynched - why were they tied together?

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If one wants to REALLY oversimplify whats going on - yes. That statement is tying previous actions with a result (SpyreX) to current actions with a different result (Snail) and then saying they are the same thing.

Its disingenuous.

I have no idea what that means, but it probably is bad. I'm seeing both as scummy.

Now, why am I answering the same questions over and over again. You aren't that stupid.

and why aren't you answering my questions. Even after I explained over and over again you keep reading more in a simple statement of what I think! No way you are town. You found a statement, saw its potential for misreading, and now you keep milling about it. Esspecially as everybody can see that you are using the same circle of questions again and again,

while not explaining why you KEEP assuming there is more behind that statement then there is.

[Ojanen]

@Oj:
Find somewhere related to THIS universe where he says: "X is scum.

Quote no. 4? Admittedly from your hypo-town-perspective it would be on town, but Jack was on town too?

You did say the dying line to me right? I'd so sig that.

[evilsnail]

It just feels very town. It doesn't make any sense. So I'm back to my original conclusion that CSL is town. I guess my thoughts about this game are kinda all over the place at the moment. I'm also getting a very strong feeling that I was completely wrong about myko and that he's scum at the moment, which I can't really explain very well.

[SpyreX]

No you preview sniped me. That was at CSL, always CSL.

....

Which ISO post is that quote from #4?

Motherfather that might put a kink in things.

[SpyreX]

GOD PREVIEW SNIPED AGAIN.

Oddly one wonders why I haven't gotten the same argument from him.

[mykonian]

Mostly, I agreed with a lot of what myko was saying Day 1.

This increases my confidence in Evil-town. I had the same with him.

[Ojanen]

Which ISO post is that quote from #4?

Motherfather that might put a kink in things.

Iso 23.
Seriously?

[CSL]

unvote

This will be quite interesting. Let me reread the last three pages.

[CSL]

Every time I read those posts, the more I see SpyreX as scum. I'm convinced.

Vote: SpyreX

[Ojanen]

Motherfather that might put a kink in things.

Why did you not read what I quoted first by yourself?
Was your initial case actually truly based on the precise semantic of saying "X is scum"?

[SpyreX]

That's part of it. The clear and concise nature of it - thats why I was concerned and ASKED if I missed a clear case otherwise.

Which, of course, isn't actually present in that ISO:

I don't think you should be namecalling if this is your argument, dear Raskol. Am I wrong when I say you are the one lazy here? This is a wishy washy reason, without quote, and this with later a postnumber is everything you say about fishy.

Seriously, analyze this (stupid, pointless, rubbish) argument. Fishy attacked someone for something that might seem a good point, but actually, as you see it shows that someone is town.

Seriously, that is not a clear point, that is a (stupid, pointless, rubbish) attack.

And now your GREAT Elvis vote. Your next hideout. Someone names on the pro's and cons of a player and then it is a "wafflefest". Raskol, you are very good at using great insulting words, but what are they doing else but hiding you have nothing to say?. You are only changing your play because someone said you didn't do a thing but copying people, and you simply are not capable of making a good case here. You simply latch on to the first thing you can find, if this is someone unsure about another player, or fishy attacking someone for a point that might seem good but actually isn't.

Raskol, you are scum that has the problem that he can't find townies to attack savely.

This is far from the simple X is scum. In actuality, this makes me think that if Myko is scum like I think Fish moves wwaaayyy up the charts. Doubly so if Myko is a goon.

[Ojanen]

The clear nature of having "X is scum" in an otherwise concise/short post to the other universe was your initial case against myko.

That stuck the scum chord and the rest of the play has just been singing the chorus.

So saying "X is scum" has been pinpointed to be the major point and it

only

counts if there is no longer reasoning attached before it. The probability is that does not have to do with mykonian being more in in his own game.
So "x is scum" to Raskol doesn't count for that reason.

unvote vote DGB

If you have a mindset where catching scum is pointless, you are scum.

I am certain this was a major scumslip.

Added to this that this post by raskol was made just after he was accused of bringing little new,

this is seriously scummy

. Attacking fishy on something that you just found (but couldn't quote?) and which already sounds meh without a quote..

DGB, I find it funny how you try to talk this into a conspiracy. First, albert must be scum, then, before the game, he must have communicated what you were going to do, but he didn't take actions to prohibit it. In stead, he asked his scumbuddy to ask for a teleportation after you would vote him. Seriously, this is reaching.

unvote vote DGB

Fabricating evidence, no matter how weird you play,

is not town.

"If X, you are scum. I am certain X is a major scumslip" and "Concept X you did is not town" do not count because it was to town-DGB, so it was just spagetti.
However, even though from your hypo-town-perspective saying "Raskol is scum" should have also been spagetti for the same reason, you needed to possibly reevaluate based on the rhetoric there. "This is seriously scummy" in a short post to Raskol doesn't count either, because it doesn't read "You are scum.".

You need to convince me you are genuinely scumhunting with this case here. I don't believe you anymore.

unvote; vote: SpyreX

(L-2)

Explain the thought process once more, still assuming I'm an idiot.

[Ojanen]

evilsnail, your prior experience with CSL please.

[evilsnail]

I have no prior experience with CSL.

[SpyreX]

I'm out of ways to try and explain what I'm getting at.

If you think those read the same well I don't know what to say. Especially if, again, those are the full quotes.

The business with Raskol wasn't "X is being manipulative. X is scum."

Give me the ISO on those DGB quote and I bet its more of the same. Even the last one isn't a clear direct statement.

So, yea, go for it I guess. Although if this is the wagon for the day it needs to be pushed through sooner versus later - like I said, if todays lynch is apathetic the town isn't winning this game.

[zorastermod]

Day 4 Vote Count

CSL ( 0 )
evilsnail ( 1 ) Ellibereth
starbuck ( 0 )
fishythefish ( 0 )
gayle ( 0 )
mykonian ( 1 ) spyrex
ojanen ( 0 )
Ellibereth ( 0 )
spyrex ( 4 ) mykonian fishythefish CSL ojanen
Haylen ( 0 )
Not Voting ( 4 ) gayle starbuck evilsnail Haylen
Total Votes ( 10 )

With 10 alive, 6 needed to lynch.
Deadline: March 17th 12:00 EST

I'm out of town at the moment, and this internet the hotel provides has been terrible, so sorry for the delay in updating vote counts.

[mykonian]

the faster we go spyrex, the more half of this game will get behind (phate, starbuck, haylen, fishy?)

And why do you assume I talk the same to people regardless of who they are, where they are, what kind of time they have for me, etc?

In this thread, you read my posts. The longer the message, the more information you get and the more complete that information is. I like playing like that, but to avoid real problems with readability, longer posts often have a conclusion, I work with colours for parts of the post that are not necesary to be read, etc.

the other thread has no real interest in this thread, and is most likely going to skim. The shorter the message, the bigger the chance those players will actually read it.

[Phate]

Okay, I've skimmed you all in iso. I'm almost certain that SpryeX is scum, more based on Raskol's play than SpryeX's.

Vote: SpryeX

That should be L-1.

Either CSL is bussing scum or evilsnail is scum ~completely ignoring the Sprywagon. I'm pretty sure of this.

If we have Universe 2 scum, it will be Haylen.

[evilsnail]

I haven't been ignoring the wagon. I just haven't made up on my mind on it. I could see a case on Raskol, but SpyreX hasn't done much to sway me either way.

Why do you think U2 scum will be Haylen?

[zorastermod]

springlullaby has entered this universe

Night 4 has begun in the other universe

[zorastermod]

Day 4 Vote Count

CSL ( 0 )
evilsnail ( 1 ) Ellibereth
starbuck ( 0 )
fishythefish ( 0 )
phate ( 0 )
mykonian ( 1 ) spyrex
ojanen ( 0 )
Ellibereth ( 0 )
spyrex ( 5 ) mykonian fishythefish CSL ojanen phate
Haylen ( 0 )
springlullaby ( 0 )
Not Voting ( 4 ) starbuck evilsnail Haylen springlullaby
Total Votes ( 11 )

With 11 alive, 6 needed to lynch.
Deadline: March 17th 12:00 EST

[CSL]

@ Mod: You missed Phate's vote on SpyreX