Teleportation Mafia Universe ONE (MAFIA A WINS!)

[Ojanen]

Day 4 Vote Count

CSL ( 0 )
evilsnail ( 3 ) Ellibereth CSL ojanen
starbuck ( 0 )
fishythefish ( 0 )
gayle ( 0 )
mykonian ( 1 ) spyrex
ojanen ( 0 )
Ellibereth ( 0 )
spyrex ( 2 ) mykonian fishythefish
Haylen ( 0 )
Not Voting ( 4 ) gayle starbuck evilsnail Haylen
Total Votes ( 10 )

With 10 alive, 6 needed to lynch.
Deadline: March 17th 12:00 EST

'slayer
So I sort of agree with Spyrex's view on this latest turn.

[Ojanen]

evilsnail, why is mykonian probably town to you?

[SpyreX]

I find it scummy, from both? And I put that in one sentence? Seriously, what are you trying to say here?

why were you assuming I was saying something clearly incorrect?

Ohh lord this is progress.

Ok, both cases are scummy.

Why, specifically, are they scummy. Note: CSL is super town is not an answer.

Double Note: Saying they are scummy for the same reason will result in an F---

[mykonian]

why is saying that I find it highly unlikely that CSL is scum not an answer?

If you have a scummo lynched, with the current meta, you are going to look at players that scummo had barely interactions with, not the ones he was very obvious about: he wanted you to see those.

Saying: "but pops might have been very clever" which already expresses that it is unlikely, only to make a case on a person that is scummy every time he play's, doesn't feel like you are going for the person you have the biggest chance on catching scum, but you are going for the player with the playstyle you dislike/player that could be mislynched.

tl;dr to assume an unlikely situation to lynch CSL for a null-tell is no scumhunting.

[mykonian]

spyrex, why am I only answering your questions?

why were you assuming I was saying something that was clearly wrong?

[zoraster]

wrong account.

[zorastermod]

Phate has replaced Gayle

[Phate]

Hi, guys. I won't be reading or even skimming the 70-page thread, but I will read each of the living players in iso.

CSL, mykonian, ojanen, and SpryeX: would each of you give me your summary of the game, both as it pertains to mechanics and major events?

[Haylen]

Weekend V/LA - Modding only.

[mykonian]

Hi, guys. I won't be reading or even skimming the 70-page thread, but I will read each of the living players in iso.

CSL, mykonian, ojanen, and SpryeX: would each of you give me your summary of the game, both as it pertains to mechanics and major events?

first, theory talk. Not really important now anymore, for things other then scumhunting.

after that, question time, a lot of failing scumhunting and DGB-ABR drama ending the day, making us lose our Mason that night.

D2. More effective day, informationwise. Pops was found out after a counterclaim from elvis, and we lynched him. I think here is good stuff to reread.

D3 was a quick day, where we thought a scumslip was found. Much worse then day 2, as most people didn't scumhunt with this information from the end of day 2.

and now we are here.

If you want to know more, please ask. Lets see if we can get you into this game.

[SpyreX]

Quick Lowdown: Day 1 was a disgrace. Day 2 was some flailing that ended up going well, Day 3 was wooosh, Day 4 Mykonian is scum but no one will see it.

Speaking of:

@Myko:

We're backtracking again.

Why, specifically, was my attack on CSL scummy.
Why, specifically, IS snail's attack on CSL scummy.

These are not the same things. You keep portraying them like they are.

[mykonian]

I understand that time makes them different. I don't know how the scumminess (?) is different.

Why did you assume I was saying something clearly untrue? (how often do I have to ask this before you give an answer?)

[mykonian]

(from the assumption that after pops lynch it was quite likely that CSL was town.

[CSL]

After pops was lynched, everyone basically calls me town because he was riding my ass.

I hate being confirmed town. I'd rather make everyone guess, then laugh at them when they're wrong, than being known town.

[evilsnail]

evilsnail, why is mykonian probably town to you?

Primarily I guess because he backed off on me today. But I also had a town read on him predating that, from Day 1 and 2.

[SpyreX]

I'm pretty sure I've made clear that I don't think my interpretation of what you were saying was "cleary untrue"

Timing is everything. Its the crux of this whole discussion. It, in fact, DOES make the actions different and thus the attributed scum should be different.

These are not the same and lumping them as such is bad mojo.

[Ojanen]

@Phate
Don't really relate to how this helps you, but you're town due to pops and Gayle play so why not and maybe Starbuck and Haylen will get something out of it too.

Day 1: all around strategy stuff that in the end didn't result to a distinct teleportation Plan due to mod explaining and specifying rules to players. There was an early wagon on you, Raskol, some on myko too, and CSL of course but soon enough the major dynamics locked into a DGB vs. ABR town/town conflict (ugh never seen that before...), attacks on each other largely based on meta/accusations of not paying attention.
Players were divided to high participation and can't keep up camps.
DGB ended up L-1. Claimed across the universe mason. ABR wanted to lynch him anyway, had a post that resembled softcounterclaiming. ABR got quicklynched. (deadline pretty near and wanting to be in the night not much later than U2). DGB was supposed to be pulled by the other universe's teleporter but they played pretty stupid and teleported Elli to us instead. DGB got killed and we don't really understand how scum did that unless they were here right in the time window of some minutes of difference of U2 night ending, seeing she wasn't teleported and changing their action. Because her getting pulled should have really been a mutually benefiting lock if the U2 teleporter would have had sense, and U2 teleporter had priority in their action to our scum (entered night 10 minutes prior or so).
elvis teleported Plum out (didn't like her Plum vote).
Whole holabaloo of D1 consists 40 pages of this thread and lots of short posts/fluff.

D2: lynch on pops-scum. Slooowly forming wagon, held at 4 votes for pretty long, poopular reasoning bad bandwagoning of ABR/DGB and light content. Other major later day avenue CSL. Pops stalled with the claiming some, then claimed teleported. Elvis counterclaimed, we lynched pops. Elvis was nkd. Rhinox was pulled to the other universe, I thought he was fishy but apparently U2 teleporter thought town. Or was Haylen teleported here first and Rhinox then out D3? Don't remember, order not that relevant though.

D3: Fast lynch on Hoopla (town). Slip about pops very late D2 or so was thought. Second most suspected person prob evilsnail. Starbuck teleported in by our teleporter N3.

D4: not that long, today, you can skim it. Many people are a little directionless and operating by process of elimination. Spyrex and mykonian want to lynch each other. Despite teleportation stuff we are guaranteed to have at least one of the two U2 scum here. We are not concentrating on looking at the teleported people for now. Elli is the only one out of the dearly teleported him, Haylen and Starbuck who is caught up and playing the game.
Town is CSL, your slot, prob Fishy.
So I'm looking at evil, SpyreX, myko for scum.

[Ojanen]

These are big enough to EBWOP

Despite teleportation stuff we are guaranteed to have at least one of the two U2 scum here.

Universe one I meant!

elvis teleported Plum out (didn't like her

Plum

DGB vote).

[Ojanen]

Primarily I guess because he backed off on me today. But I also had a town read on him predating that, from Day 1 and 2.

Why did you have not have a townread on Day 3?
I don't quite get how this backing off works with your read. You don't see it as possibly reactional to SpyreX induced happenings?

[mykonian]

I'm pretty sure I've made clear that I don't think my interpretation of what you were saying was "cleary untrue"

Timing is everything. Its the crux of this whole discussion. It, in fact, DOES make the actions different and thus the attributed scum should be different.

These are not the same and lumping them as such is bad mojo.

the first thing: you assumed I was saying you were still trying to get CSL lynched, which was clearly untrue. (I would never say that, so why did you assume I would?)

So, this whole discussion boils down to you saying that CSL only became cleared after Ojanen's post?

[SpyreX]

Which raises, again, if I'm NOT trying to currently get CSL lynched and that post was in reply to Snail TRYING to get CSL lynched - why were they tied together?

----

If one wants to REALLY oversimplify whats going on - yes. That statement is tying previous actions with a result (SpyreX) to current actions with a different result (Snail) and then saying they are the same thing.

Its disingenuous.

[CSL]

I will be happy with a lynch of you three (myko, SpyreX, evil)

If myko or SpyreX flip town, the other one is scum. If evil is town, both must be scum. Vice versa applies.

Don't ask why, it's just a gut read.

[Ojanen]

SpyreX, how do you feel about these regards to your initial myko case:

wait, we are at the start of the game, I have asked a question, you are saying you caught scum by it, but it is useless?

unvote vote DGB

If you have a mindset where catching scum is pointless, you are scum. I am certain this was a major scumslip.

Added to this that this post by raskol was made just after he was accused of bringing little new, this is seriously scummy. Attacking fishy on something that you just found (but couldn't quote?) and which already sounds meh without a quote...

I agree

vote raskol

You completely forgot what you did with fishy, and went for the next target, with a less then spectacular case. Where are you going to run next?

[snip semi-wall to Raskol]
Raskol, you are scum that has the problem that he can't find townies to attack savely.

DGB, I find it funny how you try to talk this into a conspiracy. First, albert must be scum, then, before the game, he must have communicated what you were going to do, but he didn't take actions to prohibit it. In stead, he asked his scumbuddy to ask for a teleportation after you would vote him. Seriously, this is reaching.

unvote vote DGB

Fabricating evidence, no matter how weird you play, is not town.

etc.
I've asked before... but treat me like an idiot. Explain me the major difference in tone to

@ the other universe. Jack is trying to be smart and manipulative.
Town doesn't manipulate. Jack is scum.

@Docpotter: posts 220 and 224 show how Jack takes a quote, and in then makes it so that the person is essentially arguing against himself. He reasons logically from the quote to get to something untrue in Elmo's case, and actually attacks Fghtwas with it.

Since both players obviously didn't intent for their words to be used this way, Jack is strawmanning. He tries to be smarter then the rest of the game by logically deriving the others are wrong, from their own words.

[SpyreX]

Every time you post I die a little inside.

At least you're voting for the right person if you believe that.

[SpyreX]

(To be fair my previous is in regards to THIS GAME I'm not trying to be insulting but my lord man)

@Oj:

Find somewhere related to THIS universe where he says: "X is scum."

The others when you look at DGB's flip doesn't convince me too much. Its just a lot of spaghetti.