Mafia 110: Mafia in Hell, Michigan (Tied.)

[farside22]

@riddick: I was saying what in your post was wishy washy in case people missed it

Farside, are you saying that if there's a doc we should consider that it might be a mafia doc?

I don't want to out guess the mod. I'm playing devils advocate at times and it's my achelies heel.
I can see why lowell would makes his comment about where was the doc protect but I can see why not. It's not a great thing to consider if doc is scum or town it's just something to keep an eye on.

[Unsight]

Do you want to see anything other than jb and myself?

I would like to see something mentioned for Konowa's vote on Nobody Special (before it changed) and pman's vote on Rikenslope in addition to those.

[Ythan]

It's not a great thing to consider if doc is scum or town it's just something to keep an eye on.

And this is something I'll be keeping my eye on if I see you on a doctor wagon at some point in the future.

[farside22]

It's not a great thing to consider if doc is scum or town it's just something to keep an eye on.

And this is something I'll be keeping my eye on if I see you on a doctor wagon at some point in the future.

If a doc claimed right now I would be asking them why they didn't protect richard but I would not hammer or keep my vote on the without a valid reason.
Right now the doc alignment is null.

[Ythan]

Are you saying a doctor would have a 50/50 chance of being town or scum?

[farside22]

Are you saying a doctor would have a 50/50 chance of being town or scum?

Right now the doc alignment is null.

[Ythan]

I don't consider you bringing it up in the first place null.

[farside22]

I can see why. But then I look at things 2 or 3 times and wonder about things too much and can see things that could be scum or may be town.
I will go back and forth many a time on issues.

I will have a moment where I will wonder why the scum took a chance and killed rich. As lowell said it seemed like an obvious target. Things like that get to you and you have to wonder in the back of your head. If you don't then you have more info then you should.

[Ythan]

I don't think that not wondering about the alignment of an unconfirmed doctor is an indicator of knowing too much.

[farside22]

I don't think that not wondering about the alignment of an unconfirmed doctor is an indicator of knowing too much.

Seriously I'm calling you fun sucker for the rest of the game or mr. literal
Take your pick.

I'm sure you have no doubts about anything right? Never question anything in a game and just go full out in every game? I have to ask because I get robot emotions just oozing from you. Most people question motives. It's normal human reaction go look it up in a book.

[Ythan]

My resolve is absolute!

[Unsight]

My resolve is absolute!

Nice. How about putting that absolute resolve to answering my above question?

[Unsight]

Finally my last question to SK.

How did I know that crypto had misinterpted what the town PM win condition is. Unless you don't know what the win condition is??

You know...that's actually a good point.

Unvote: Farside22.

It bothers me that only a short while ago, you were all "lynch lynch lynch" and now you're saying "Good point, unvote."

To recap, you capitalized on a possible slip, tried to turn it into a bandwagon, and are now backpedaling as fast as possible since the bandwagon more or less failed.

I mean, really?

[Ythan]

Oh yeah. I went off to post in another thread before setting myself to the task and it slipped my mind. JB first. He seems to pretty well quote everything he responds to so I'm going off of his iso. If there's anything else you want me to consider I'd be happy to. Numbers are just generally a good post to look at for what I'm referring to.

27 What JB is saying he had been saying all along, I saw all along.
32 Same here. His vote on me was not unreasonable and neither was his explanation for it.
33 I disagree that two posts can't shoot someone straight up a scum list, but based on the two posts he's referring to it's understandable.

I really think he satisfactorily explained everything that came up, there's not much to say except that I think he's town.

[DedicatedScribe]

Yes! I've got time. I'll post ASAP.

[Ythan]

I don't do as well quoting everything to which I respond so I'll be looking at relevant posts by my two voters in iso. Again, if there's anything else (particularly another person who just isn't voting for me) you want me to address, go ahead.

JB - Addressed him in my last post. His vote is based on anti-town bickering from yesterday. Understandable.
Rike - Based on confirmed scum's wishy washy behavior toward me and thinking I was wishy washy toward SK. I addressed this and he never responded, but his vote is still there.

[Ythan]

Konowa's vote on NS makes sense. Pman's on Rike isn't what I'd vote Rike for, might be reaching a little, but the facts of the case are valid.

[farside22]

jbernier:

Obviously farside's whole argument against you just went over your head.

Anyway

vote: horrordude.

This is what gets to me. Something like this slip where someone almost looks to be giving the heads up to a scum buddy
but see's that the paraphrasing doesn't match up but still goes onto the horrow wagon.
Gives me all sorts of scum vibes.

He voted farside in a serious manner for one thing that was only vaguely scummy, if at all. That's what I meant by premature.

I also want to know why a vibe vote is considered not scummy to someone who points out horror's vote on me as serious.

WOW that's kinda premature in my opinion. Actually very very premature.

fos:horrordude

Problem is that your diction made it sound like a serious vote.

I find scum always try their best not to be hypocrites. This FOS is here because voting horror at this point would be just that. Something just rings falst

vote:Ythan

Crypto and Ythan agreed some and fought some yesterday. Lots of interaction between the two until Ythan started pushing the horror lynch way too hard. Crypto put Ythan low on his list. Ythan's bickering with Horror was very anti-town.

I don't mean it was a bad lynch, I'm referring to the fact that Ythan had to be an asshole about it.

Lets not forget there was 43 pages and the best scum suspect he has is based on a player pushing for a wagon he did nothing to stop or interfer in.

@jbernier93: Why did you think horror was scummier then crypto?

Honestly, the only thing I remember being scummy about crypto was the whole "paraphrased role pm" thing. There were numerous things scummy about Horror. (his AtEs, various posts, wishywashiness, etcc)

Did you say anything like that during your vote?

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 09#2142909

Why no the only thing here was the ATE

This is why my vote stands on Jbernier. Some is gut. Some of it is backtracking. His going for the easy players first voting for WRP and then horror. He almost ignores crypto in a lot of his post and he never stated a real reason for voting for WRP. It was just a bunch of quotes with no reason.

[Rikenslope]

@ Ythan: Sorry I missed where you asked me if it was for more than just the 3-way. Yes, for the reasons in my post.

Recap: Crypto FoSing you then within 24 hours putting you on the lowest on his scummy list. (this may have been to point us at you in some way but I still find it possibly scummy saves scummy should one of you die kinda think), your possibly tunneling of Horror due to smiles in post(now he has died and was proven town it looks even worse). And your possibly flip-flop on SK, all in all those are the reasons if you need further explanation, just ask.

But as the day goes along my vote might change but for now it stays on you. My Fos does change from SK to Jbernier though.

FoS: Jbernier

[Rikenslope]

EBWOP:this may have been to point us at you in some way but I still find it possibly scummy saves scummy should one of you die kinda thing

[Ythan]

Did not tunnel Horror, case on Horror was not about smilies. Been over that. Him flipping town does not make it worse. Town is uninformed majority. You're going to have to stick to things I knew before he flipped. And I didn't flip flop on SK. Also been over that.

[Netopalis]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 9

JBernier93

- 3 - Farside22, MoleStargazer, Konowa - (L-6)

Rikenslope

- 1 - pman5595 - (L-8)

SaintKerrigan

- 1 - Unisght - (L-8)

Ythan

- 2 - JBernier93, Rikenslope - (L-7)

Players not voting: DedicatedScribe, Dr. Cyanide, Kison, Lowell, Nobody Special, RayFrostWikiManager, Riddick, SaintKerrigan, WRP_Beater, Ythan

[Ythan]

I knew I was forgetting something.

vote SaintKerrigan

[Netopalis]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 9

JBernier93

- 3 - Farside22, MoleStargazer, Konowa - (L-6)

Ythan

- 2 - JBernier93, Rikenslope - (L-7)

Rikenslope

- 1 - pman5595 - (L-8)

SaintKerrigan

- 2 - Unisght, Ythan - (L-7)

Players not voting: Lowell, WRP_Beater, Nobody Special, RayFrostWikiManager, DedicatedScribe, Riddick, Dr. Cyanide, Kison, SaintKerrigan

[Ythan]

This mod is on the ball.